Originally Posted by
John Carroll
Here we go again, ....
Yep.
This would allow any incidential moisture to be managed by the drainage plane.
As would the way I described, so I don't see what the problem is.
Why would you send the plasterer out to do only the base layer, then restage to do the projections?? Not very cost effective.
You actually have builders in your area who schedule critical path? Wow!
The builders I've seen (most of them who used the foam trim) would stucco first (much more cost effective to stucco without all those interruptions in the stucco surface, then, when the stucco is still wet, set the foam trim, or, add the foam trim after the scratch coat, setting it in stucco.
Why do it that way? Because there is stucco and there is decorative cementitious coatings. The walls get "stucco", the foam trim gets the "decorative cementitious coating. Two different things, done at two different times, using two different mixtures/products.
However, what about columns with a CMU block base, say 2-4' high? Everything above that is frame?Would you expect to see a weep/inspection band there as well? Or would there be a weep line 1" below the framing? Kind of ruins the look then. It would also stain the stucco applied over the block base as well...
Yes. 'Either Or'. But NOT 'neither'.
Staining the stucco? NOT OUR PROBLEM, ...
... that's a design issue where they probably tried VE (Value Engineering, which means, in my definition, that "they've *Engineered* the *Value* out").
WHEN you have frame ... it needs a drainage plane ... which needs a drainage method at the bottom. Don't want to incorporate a horizontal break line in the finished look there? Don't change from frame to masonry/concrete there - make the change where the horizontal line is acceptable.
We see builders ignore this requirement all the time out here because they want the "coming out of the ground" look to these adobe looking styles that are so popular out here. Not saying this is right, ...
Good, because *IT IS NOT* "right".
... just pointing out what may be an "alternate universe" outside of FLA.
No "alternative universe" ... possibly a greater willingness to accept inferior and incorrect work.
If it is not correct, and that is not, then it should be pointed out ans written up. Will it be corrected? Maybe ... but more likely NOT!
Nonetheless, the HI needs to advise their client that, *just because EVERYONE speeds* does not make it right, there are limits and requirements for reasons, and the reason a weep is REQUIRED there is to help drain the water out, to reduce the likelihood that the framing and/or sheathing will rot out.
That's a good enough reason for me.
Maybe not for you, though.
Your choice.