Patio cover to Fascia

[Dave Hill]

Hello wise ones...

I know this is a bad practice, but is there a code against attaching the patio cover to the fascia board? The patio cover extends to the left in the picture, only attached to the fascia boards, no bolts either.

Thank You!

[Eric Barker]

The fact that you already know that its bad practice and the fascia is not bolted should be enough. Besides, do you know what code would have applied when that cover was built?

[Dave Hill]

Eric,

Thanks for the quick response. Sometimes I just need to bounce ideas off of someone, (and my dog is not much help)!

I was looking in the Appendix H of my IRC book. AH101.1 covers the scope, AH104 discusses design loads. I didn't think neither addressed the bone head practice of attaching directly to the fascia.

Thanks!
-Dave

[Richard Pultar]

when the fachia becomes a beam it get a 3 " bearing on each end.
when the fachia becomes a header it get 1 1/2 " bearing each end
this fachia is not a fachia anymore, code wise...
I'd let this go . it 's shoddy carpentry but with no load but rain water and dead load
why care. It works leave it alone.
It's a insult to call it carpentry. It works in spite of HOLY CODE sins.

[Wayne Carlisle]

2X6 patio construction attached to 2X4 facia is not proper construction in my opinion.

The overhang should have been ripped off and the patio cover attached to the structure/top plate to keep from a separation problem.

2X6 ceiling/rafters are spanning how far??? Probably over spanned!

Wayne

[Jerry Peck]

I'd let this go . it 's shoddy carpentry but with no load but rain water and dead load
why care. It works leave it alone.

Because there is load.

Gravity load of the structure.

Wind load.

Snow load (if in snow area).


It's a insult to call it carpentry. It works in spite of HOLY CODE sins.

How can you say "it works"?

It just 'has not fallen yet'.

[Eric Barker]

Richard,

I frequently see stuff that's wrong and even though I expect that they'll continue to function without problem, I'll write up a need for correction. I'll sometimes tell the client that they may have no problem. But I also tell them that I'm not paid to ignore such conditions. My clients appreciate knowing what the parameters are along with my perspective.

With Dave's picture, I would not say that I would not expect a problem down the road. A little bit of decay gets started in the rafter tails and the fascia nails begin to loose their grip, or the roof gets a 20" wet snow load that it never has had before - just to much to be able to say that there will never be a problem just because they never has been one.

Just some friendly thoughts!

[Ted Menelly]

2X6 patio construction attached to 2X4 facia is not proper construction in my opinion.

The overhang should have been ripped off and the patio cover attached to the structure/top plate to keep from a separation problem.

2X6 ceiling/rafters are spanning how far??? Probably over spanned!

Wayne

You must admit Wayne. Being in the position you are and we Texas HIs are we see this all the time down here. No it is not right and I right it up all the time. The reason they do it like this and think it is OK is because there are no other loads on it here.

I write it up and maybe a few percent are fixed

[Rick Hurst]

Ted,

I'm sure this picture below is all to familar to you. I see this all of the time.

rick

[Ted Menelly]

Ted,

I'm sure this picture below is all to familiar to you. I see this all of the time.

rick

What I like best is when you see proper attachment but the rafters are 2x4 and a 12 foot span and 2 feet on center.

[Dave Hill]

.... But I also tell them that I'm not paid to ignore such conditions...

Just some friendly thoughts!

Eric,
I like that, I may start using that, (if I can remember it). Good way to put it. Cheers!

[Dana Bostick]

You must admit Wayne. Being in the position you are and we Texas HIs are we see this all the time down here. No it is not right and I right it up all the time. The reason they do it like this and think it is OK is because there are no other loads on it here.

I write it up and maybe a few percent are fixed

Having just returned from "Teyhas" and hurricane Ike, this would be a self-correcting problem there. It would be in the neighbors yard or somewhere other than attached to this house.;)

[Steve Lowery]

Rick, did you call those sheetrock screws?

[Rubiks]

not sure if anyone still view this thread,

I was thinking what if the fascia is a 2x4 and are attached to the rafters with galvanized lag screws will it be ok to hang ledger board off that, and will it meet the building codes.

[Wayne Carlisle]

The ends of most rafters are 2 X 6 and may not be adequate to support the load of the patio cover. The best thing to do would be to cut back the overhang and set the beams or joists of the patio cover onto the top plate.

If you think that connecting to the rafter ends are what you want to do I would refer you to a design professional.

[Bruce Ramsey]

not sure if anyone still view this thread,

I was thinking what if the fascia is a 2x4 and are attached to the rafters with galvanized lag screws will it be ok to hang ledger board off that, and will it meet the building codes.

No, it ain't right.

[Tim Spargo]

See the "After" Picture below...

Have at it.. gimme credit too dog gonnit :D

[John Kogel]

Knock the fascia board off, run your new rafters past the old rafter tails and hang them, with the correct Simpson hangers, on a ledger board attached with lag screws to the wall.

That way, you can walk on your new roof, when you go up to patch the leaks. :D

[Garry Sorrells]

Knock the fascia board off, run your new rafters past the old rafter tails and hang them, with the correct Simpson hangers, on a ledger board attached with lag screws to the wall.

That way, you can walk on your new roof, when you go up to patch the leaks. :D


Though correct and a normal practice for good job, that would take more time and materials. Also it gets hot out there working to long.

[Rubiks]

Thanks guys for the quick response,

Is it possible to attach the patio rafters on top of existing roof past the over hang

[Tim Spargo]

The "load path" if you will should be bolted to or attached to framing and it's supporting foundation. Meaning that the area on the roof directly above the top plates is acceptable as well as attaching a ledger to the home's framing etc.

There are handouts available at Building and Safety depts as well as their websites (sometimes)

Good luck

[rey naldo]

Definitely an useful thread.

[Garry Sorrells]

...I know this is a bad practice, ......!

Though not an uncommon practice yet wrong. Think of it as a deck with an attached cantilevered ledger board to undersized framing. Exception would be a chicken coop. You can always get more chickens.

[Marc M]

The "load path" if you will should be bolted to or attached to framing and it's supporting foundation. Meaning that the area on the roof directly above the top plates is acceptable as well as attaching a ledger to the home's framing etc.

There are handouts available at Building and Safety depts as well as their websites (sometimes)

Good luck
Nailed it bro...

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Thanks guys for the quick response,

Is it possible to attach the patio rafters on top of existing roof past the over hang
Not without engineering... in my area.

[Jerry Peck]

Nailed it bro...

Depends on where and how they "nailed it" ...


Not without engineering... in my area.

That's a big 10-4 Good Buddy.

Those trussess/rafter ends that the porch roof is nailed to now have much more wind uplift tributary area being transferred to those straps - are the straps and their attachment to the structure rated for that additional load ... probably not.