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Ray J.
01-16-2009, 12:41 PM
Hello Everyone,

We are in need of people who have construction experience and/or site inspection experience.

We have projects throughout the nation and we are always looking for good, reliable people.

Our business is constantly expanding into new locations and finding the right person for a specific location is important to us.

If you have a good eye for detail then you need to contact us.

If you think you might be interested, then you need to go to our pre-qualification questionnaire page to see if you are the right fit for our type of work. Please go to:

On-Site Inspector (http://siteturbo.com/limesurvey/index.php?sid=45499&lang=en)

Thanks for listening and we hope to hear from you.

--
Ray

Scott Patterson
01-16-2009, 01:38 PM
Hi Ray,

Do you have a website for this company?

Ted Menelly
01-16-2009, 01:45 PM
Hi Ray,

Do you have a website for this company?


Or company name

Or last name

Or exactly what beside what is listed that you do and who for

and

and

and

I for one just love those no information adds and requaets for someone elses information.

Ray J.
01-16-2009, 02:15 PM
Hello Gentlemen,

Yes, we are a legitimate company, and no we do not use your information for any advertising of any kind. We don't work that way. We are professionals just like you.

We do have a website for the company, but due to certain restrictions of the parent company, I am not at liberty to post it.

I understand if that is frustrating - I would be too.

I can tell you this much; we do work all around the country and we look for qualified people for inspection type work. :)

I hope that helps....a little, anyway.

Respectfully,

--
Ray

A.D. Miller
01-16-2009, 02:45 PM
Yes, we are a legitimate company

Maybe.



and no we do not use your information for any advertising of any kind. We don't work that way. We are professionals just like you.


Doubtful.



We do have a website for the company, but due to certain restrictions of the parent company, I am not at liberty to post it.


B.U.L.L.L.S.H.I.T.



I understand if that is frustrating - I would be too.


You are.


I can tell you this much; we do work all around the country and we look for qualified people for inspection type work.

You appear to be looking for indentured shovel-leaners.



I hope that helps....a little, anyway.


It did help to take up bandwidth.



Respectfully,


Why, sure.

Aaron:D

Ray J.
01-16-2009, 02:51 PM
Hello A.D.:

I am sorry you feel that way. We're not twisting anybody's arms; including yours.

We are just looking for people who are interested. Obviously your not.

--
Ray

A.D. Miller
01-16-2009, 03:00 PM
Hello A.D.:

I am sorry you feel that way. We're not twisting anybody's arms; including yours.

We are just looking for people who are interested. Obviously your not.

--
Ray

Ray: Nothing personal, you understand. I just don't like evasive tactics, especially from someone is asking for personal information on a forum intended to disseminate technical advice to inspectors.This is not a job fair.

Does the term slick evoke any images for you?

Aaron:D

Joseph P. Hagarty
01-16-2009, 03:06 PM
Ray,

I submitted my information to you.

Feel free to call if you have any questions or need additional info.

Bob Spermo
01-16-2009, 03:14 PM
Ray,

It looks like you do inspections for insurance companies. If that is the case they can fill in blank time and are not very difficult. Your pay scale is above most of the insurance inspections I have seen/done. I gave you a try and sent you the required info which wasn't very personal!

Ray J.
01-16-2009, 03:28 PM
Thank you Joseph and Bob, I saw that we received both of your profiles.

We will be looking both of them over and, most likely, be calling you to discuss more.

Thanks you.

--
Ray

Scott Patterson
01-16-2009, 03:57 PM
I submitted my information as well.

Fred Warner
01-16-2009, 05:09 PM
Seems like it's a fee company doing inspections for insurance companies. I once worked for 2 fee companies at the same time who represented many insurance companies. I made pretty good $$ and set my own schedule. There was a fast turn around in pay, too. There were a few days when I just happened to drive right by a golf course. Imagine the planning that took.;)

Ray J.
01-16-2009, 05:10 PM
Hello Scott:

We received your profile, also. We will most likely be giving you a call to discuss more. Thanks.

--
Ray

Brandon Whitmore
01-16-2009, 06:53 PM
Ray,

I sent off my info. as well.

Hopefully since you are in OR, you have work here as well....

Zibby Swieca
01-16-2009, 09:40 PM
I submitted my information to you.

Terry Sandmeier
01-16-2009, 10:42 PM
Ray,

I have submitted my information as well.

Talk to you soon.

MaMa Mount
01-16-2009, 11:23 PM
This has got BS written all over it. Wake up boyz.

Ron Bibler
01-17-2009, 12:32 AM
I that red hair? what happen to the blue. how about a blonde next time.

Best

Ron

A.D. Miller
01-17-2009, 06:00 AM
This has got BS written all over it. Wake up boyz.

MMM: That's what I'm talking about. This fast talkin' "inshowanz salezmin" has bowled these timid PC diplomats over with his sleaze.

Q-Tips are in order immediately following a mass blinder removal ballet performed with bleach water.;)

Scott Patterson
01-17-2009, 10:27 AM
MMM: That's what I'm talking about. This fast talkin' "inshowanz salezmin" has bowled these timid PC diplomats over with his sleaze.

Q-Tips are in order immediately following a mass blinder removal ballet performed with bleach water.;)

Hey, it can't hut a thing to look into it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. The information they are requesting is fairly benign.

A.D. Miller
01-17-2009, 10:56 AM
Hey, it can't hut a thing to look into it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. The information they are requesting is fairly benign.

Scott: Sorry, I was being crass and judgmental as usual. Here's the thing though: I will not do an inspection for $175. Not any kind of inspection. I won't leave my office for $175. I won't drive for $0.48 per mile. Not one mile, AND, I will not work for insurance companies. Not any insurance companies. Not for any reason. No way. Won't work for lenders either. Not any of them. Lying-ass rip-off artists, the whole lot.

Hence my kind words for Ray With-No-Last-Name-and-No-Website-Address J. What DOES that J. stand for? Would you like some ideas on that?

But, in the spirit of following the herd, since everyone else did, and because it is simply the right thing to do, I hereby submit my profile to Ray J.

Scott Patterson
01-17-2009, 02:32 PM
Scott: Sorry, I was being crass and judgmental as usual. Here's the thing though: I will not do an inspection for $175. Not any kind of inspection. I won't leave my office for $175. I won't drive for $0.48 per mile. Not one mile, AND, I will not work for insurance companies. Not any insurance companies. Not for any reason. No way. Won't work for lenders either. Not any of them. Lying-ass rip-off artists, the whole lot.


Hey to each their own. If it was not for all of those $50, $75, $100, $150 residential draw inspections that I did this past year I would have had $41,300 less in sales. You just need to know how to work them and when to say that it is too far or you can't fit it into the schedule. Those little dollar inspections add up when you don't have the big dollar inspections.

I agree the mileage rate is a few cents lower than what the IRS allows.

A.D. Miller
01-17-2009, 02:52 PM
Hey to each their own. If it was not for all of those $50, $75, $100, $150 residential draw inspections that I did this past year I would have had $41,300 less in sales. You just need to know how to work them and when to say that it is too far or you can't fit it into the schedule. Those little dollar inspections add up when you don't have the big dollar inspections.

I agree the mileage rate is a few cents lower than what the IRS allows.

Scott: I grew up in a family where my father and step father were both insurance salesmen - yeah, buddy. Additionally, I have had v-e-r-y bad experiences with insurance agents and companies in the past. So, I just kinda don't like them much. I will say though that my current stable of insurance agents appear to be on the ball.

I just resent the whole idea of the insurance requirements imposed on me by law. Contributing my money to the sleaze that passes as business in companies like AIG, et al. is not my idea of fun.

And did I mention all of the exposes that come out weekly regarding insurers that red-line clients or just have corporate policies written in stone to deny claims? An insiders view of the business from an early age has permanently soured me toward these folks.

I have to deal with these bastards on the job from time to time when I pronounce a roof to be hail damaged and the crooks send out a half-blind moron adjuster who says nothing is wrong. I do get a bit of satisfaction from ripping them a new one at times like those, but it does not quite make up for having to be in such close proximity to known criminals.

So then, yes I completely understand that you may benefit from an association with them and still remain integrous. I just can't go there. I feel like the agent on the Matrix who is telling Morpheus, and I paraphrase here: "It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste their stink. And every time I do I feel infected by it. It's repulsive."

Well, you get the drift.

Aaron:D

Ted Menelly
01-17-2009, 07:26 PM
Now Aaron. Please explain. I am just not quite sure how you feel. Are you saying you don't like insurance folks???? I am not quite clear on your prospective.

Man. People actually think we folks that once lived in the north east are arogant and say things like they really are and how they really feel about them :confused:

Markus Keller
01-18-2009, 10:27 AM
Part of the beauty of running your own business is the freedom to choose who you do or do not work for. As a contractor, I wouldn't even consider bidding jobs for a developer or realtor. Life presents enough challenges at times without purposefully bringing sleazebags into it.
As an inspector I don't work for anyone and everyone who calls. Would I work for an Ins. company? Maybe. I agree with Aaron that their paperwork is in it's own sleaze category.
I checked this guys page, yes the info he asks for seems benign enough. However, with that info, (I) someone could gather the rest of the necessary info to steal your identity or create mischief.
If someone wants to do business but isn't willing to say who they really are ... well no thanks.

A.D. Miller
01-18-2009, 11:02 AM
Part of the beauty of running your own business is the freedom to choose who you do or do not work for. As a contractor, I wouldn't even consider bidding jobs for a developer or realtor. Life presents enough challenges at times without purposefully bringing sleazebags into it.
As an inspector I don't work for anyone and everyone who calls. Would I work for an Ins. company? Maybe. I agree with Aaron that their paperwork is in it's own sleaze category.
I checked this guys page, yes the info he asks for seems benign enough. However, with that info, (I) someone could gather the rest of the necessary info to steal your identity or create mischief.
If someone wants to do business but isn't willing to say who they really are ... well no thanks.

Amen.

Brandon Whitmore
01-18-2009, 01:27 PM
I checked this guys page, yes the info he asks for seems benign enough. However, with that info, (I) someone could gather the rest of the necessary info to steal your identity or create mischief.

Unfortunately, stealing one's identity is not difficult. Also, the info. he requested is readily available on the internet.........

Rick Fluharty
01-18-2009, 05:38 PM
Hey Ray,
I throw my tw cent's also for northeastern Michigan

Fred Warner
01-18-2009, 05:58 PM
"What the plainspoken man lacks in subtlety he makes up in clarity." - A.D. Miller

I like that. ;)

I tend to agree that the company should not be covert in their identity. The Fee Companies I worked for many years ago were very open. I was in my late twenties and doing these "fee" inspections for companies that worked for many, many insurance companies was fun and profitable.

Chuck Jones
01-20-2009, 07:46 PM
Ray,

Is there a fee for processing a formal application?

Were you once a sports professional? I seem to remember a previous request for applicants in another forum.

Jerry Peck
01-21-2009, 07:13 AM
Just curious, any of you hear back from Ray J? Or is it too secret to tell us?


You weren't given the secret handshake and decoder ring? You are in trouble now ... :rolleyes:

Kevin Luce
01-21-2009, 07:23 AM
Not yet.



Your survey responses have been recorded.


This came up at the end when all the information was entered. I wonder what it actually means?

Jerry Peck
01-21-2009, 07:48 AM
Not yet.


Your survey responses have been recorded.

This came up at the end when all the information was entered. I wonder what it actually means?

That means it was like just that ... a survey. :D

Like some of those other surveys "students" have posted here in the past?

Guessing you will not be getting that secret handshake and decoder ring, hmmmm ... does this mean Aaron was correct in his suspicions?

Dan Harris
01-21-2009, 07:51 AM
Not yet.



This came up at the end when all the information was entered. I wonder what it actually means?

I haven't heard anything yet.
Now I'm just waiting to see if I start getting spam from ole nickey or one of his associates to help him conquor the HI profession :)

Tom Phillips
01-21-2009, 09:01 PM
Dream on Dan. Don't think he would waste his time.

Kevin Luce
01-21-2009, 09:55 PM
Hello Everyone,

We are in need of people who have construction experience and/or site inspection experience.

We have projects throughout the nation and we are always looking for good, reliable people.

Our business is constantly expanding into new locations and finding the right person for a specific location is important to us.

If you have a good eye for detail then you need to contact us.

If you think you might be interested, then you need to go to our pre-qualification questionnaire page to see if you are the right fit for our type of work. Please go to:

On-Site Inspector (http://siteturbo.com/limesurvey/index.php?sid=45499&lang=en)

Thanks for listening and we hope to hear from you.

--
Ray

So Ray, what does "Your survey responses have been recorded." mean? I haven't heard you saying anything more here.

A.D. Miller
01-22-2009, 06:21 AM
That means it was like just that ... a survey. :D

Like some of those other surveys "students" have posted here in the past?

Guessing you will not be getting that secret handshake and decoder ring, hmmmm ... does this mean Aaron was correct in his suspicions?

JP: Yep.

Bob Spermo
01-22-2009, 02:07 PM
I just received an email from the company. They are an engineering firm that does modular home foundation inspections throughout the country. They want home inspectors to look at the foundations, send in a report and their engineer signs it. It appears to be a legitimate operation.

A.D. Miller
01-22-2009, 02:28 PM
I just received an email from the company. They are an engineering firm that does modular home foundation inspections throughout the country. They want home inspectors to look at the foundations, send in a report and their engineer signs it. It appears to be a legitimate operation.

Bob: Legitimate as in with a real street address, website address, phone number where you can speak with people with real names? That kind of legitimate?:D

Bob Spermo
01-22-2009, 02:32 PM
A.D.

They have Website, address, phone #, etc. I called and left a message. They do certifications for FHA/HUD loans for manufactured homes.

Jerry Peck
01-22-2009, 02:46 PM
They want home inspectors to look at the foundations, send in a report and their engineer signs it.

The HI looks at it, the PE signs it?


It appears to be a legitimate operation.

And that is legit?

:rolleyes:

(I know, the PE can sign anything if they want to.)

A.D. Miller
01-22-2009, 02:53 PM
The HI looks at it, the PE signs it?



And that is legit?

:rolleyes:

(I know, the PE can sign anything if they want to.)

JP: So then, for the sake of argument, if you were prescribe me some pharmaceutical cocaine or marijuana, this company's doctor would sign the prescription?

That kind of legitimate?

:eek:

MaMa Mount
01-22-2009, 04:22 PM
Mr. Aaron
That would be the kind of medical plan I would enjoying having.;)

Bob Spermo
01-22-2009, 04:28 PM
Jerry,

Here is how a slab foundation is certified in Texas. Licensed engineer designs the slab and signs the plan and specifications. The pre-pour inspection may be conducted by the engineer or a "trained technician". The technician prepares the report and gives it to the engineer who then certifies the pre-pour inspection. Neither show up for the pour. About 2-3 weeks later the builder gets a signed/embossed seal copy of the slab certification. So yea it is legit for a non-engineer to look at the slab/pre-pour and have the engineer sign it.

Rick Hurst
01-22-2009, 04:41 PM
Jerry,

Here is how a slab foundation is certified in Texas. Licensed engineer designs the slab and signs the plan and specifications. The pre-pour inspection may be conducted by the engineer or a "trained technician". The technician prepares the report and gives it to the engineer who then certifies the pre-pour inspection. Neither show up for the pour. About 2-3 weeks later the builder gets a signed/embossed seal copy of the slab certification. So yea it is legit for a non-engineer to look at the slab/pre-pour and have the engineer sign it.

Which probably explains why we see so many bad foundations.

rick

Jerry Peck
01-22-2009, 06:18 PM
Jerry,

Here is how a slab foundation is certified in Texas. Licensed engineer designs the slab and signs the plan and specifications. The pre-pour inspection may be conducted by the engineer or a "trained technician". The technician prepares the report and gives it to the engineer who then certifies the pre-pour inspection. Neither show up for the pour. About 2-3 weeks later the builder gets a signed/embossed seal copy of the slab certification. So yea it is legit for a non-engineer to look at the slab/pre-pour and have the engineer sign it.


Bob,

It can be done that way in Florida too, and here is it called Private Provider, but there is a difference ... a BIG difference ... here ... that 'technician' as you called them would need to be a state licensed building inspector (code inspector) and would need to be AN EMPLOYEE OF the engineering firm.

A.D. Miller
01-23-2009, 07:40 AM
Jerry,

Here is how a slab foundation is certified in Texas. Licensed engineer designs the slab and signs the plan and specifications. The pre-pour inspection may be conducted by the engineer or a "trained technician". The technician prepares the report and gives it to the engineer who then certifies the pre-pour inspection. Neither show up for the pour. About 2-3 weeks later the builder gets a signed/embossed seal copy of the slab certification. So yea it is legit for a non-engineer to look at the slab/pre-pour and have the engineer sign it.

Bob: The practice is indeed common in Texas and elsewhere. Whether or not it is legitimate (as in "accordant with the law") is another question altogether. That is a matter that is decided on a case-by-case basis by a judge.

Most residential foundations in my part of the State of Texas are of the monolithic post-tensioned slab-on-ground type. Without dragging down the bandwidth to a dribble let's simply say this: Slab-on-ground, ribbed, mat or raft foundations on expansive soils shall be designed and constructed in accordance with WRI/CRSI Design of Slab-on-Ground Foundations or PTI Design and Construction of Post-Tensioned Slabs-On-Ground, International Residential Code R402.2, R403.1.6, R403.1.8 (and hence IBC 1805.8, as well as IBC 1805.8.2), R506, American Concrete Institute ACI 318-08, ACI SP-2(07), to include Post-Tensioning Institute CCS-1, and Construction and Maintenance Procedures Manual for Post-Tensioned Slab-On-Grade Construction, et al. as specified in the design professionals construction documents as they relate to the foundation.

It is the design professional's (engineer's) responsibility to both design and verify the construction of the foundation as per the prevailing building code and the referenced materials therein. If he personally oversees these matters he is performing due diligence. If he is delegating these responsibilities to a lackey without an engineering degree, he is not. Field inspections by non-engineer employees of engineering firms that result in reports which are submitted to engineers for their signature amount to testimony given by a witness who relates not what he or she knows personally, but what others have said, and that is therefore dependent on the credibility of someone other than the witness. In short it is hearsay.

Your statement that this sort of approval procedure by absent-from-the-field engineers is legitimate amounts to hearsay within hearsay. Or, in the common vernacular - doubly deep bulls.h.i.t.

Aaron:D

Jerry Peck
01-23-2009, 08:09 AM
If he personally oversees these matters he is performing due diligence.

Agreed.


If he is delegating these responsibilities to a lackey without an engineering degree, he is not.

In Florida he still is if ...


Field inspections by non-engineer employees of engineering firms that result in reports which are submitted to engineers for their signature

... if that "lackey" (your term, not mine and not that of the State of Florida either) is a "Special Inspector" (as licensed and certified by the State of Florida through the ICC) then that non-engineer, working for and under a duly licensed and registered engineer, then that person is not a "lackey" but a duly qualified individual who can serve as a Threshold Inspector under an approved engineering firm which is approved to do Threshold Inspections.

From the 2006 IBC.

SPECIAL INSPECTION.

Inspection as herein required of

the materials, installation, fabrication, erection or placement of
components and connections requiring special expertise to
ensure compliance with approved construction documents and
referenced standards (see Section 1704).
SPECIAL INSPECTION, CONTINUOUS.


The full-time

observation of work requiring special inspection by an
approved special inspector who is present in the area where the
work is being performed.
SPECIAL INSPECTION, PERIODIC.


The part-time or

intermittent observation of work requiring special inspection
by an approved special inspector who is present in the area
where the work has been or is being performed and at the completion
of the work.

For Special Inspector information, go here ( http://www.iccsafe.org/certification/inspector/2009/2009National.pdf ) and go to the bottom of page 5.

A.D. Miller
01-23-2009, 08:19 AM
In Florida he still is if ...


JP: But Texas is indeed not Flahdah.



... if that "lackey" (your term, not mine and


JP: It's a perfectly descriptive, though not technical, term.



an approved special inspector who is present in the area where the


work is being performed.



JP: The key term here is "approved".

Aaron

Rick Maday
01-23-2009, 08:35 AM
I checked this guys page, yes the info he asks for seems benign enough. However, with that info, (I) someone could gather the rest of the necessary info to steal your identity or create mischief.


I sent mine in and got no reply as of yet.

Guess I just got scammed for my name, phone # and (infrequently used)email address. :eek: ;)

Silly me. :D

Jerry Peck
01-23-2009, 08:44 AM
From the 2006 IBC.

SPECIAL INSPECTION, CONTINUOUS.



The full-time

observation of work requiring special inspection by an

approved special inspector who is present in the area where the
work is being performed.




JP: The key term here is "approved".

You only included an excerpt of that, as there are two Special Inspection categories, you need to address each fully: Continuous or Periodic.

That said, the key term there is not just "approved", the key termS are "approved special inspector".

One can be "approved", but if one is not a "special inspector" it does not matter. Likewise, one can be a "special inspector" and if not also "approved" then it does not matter either. :)

A.D. Miller
01-23-2009, 09:11 AM
You only included an excerpt of that,

JP: In this business nearly everything constitutes merely an excerpt. There is, to my knowledge, no authoritative statement in any endeavor that can be proven to end all others, with that of one's spouse.



Continuous or Periodic.


JP: I am aware of that. But, you split hairs here. The are both required to be "approved". That is the key term, in my opinion.



One can be "approved", but if one is not a "special inspector" it does not matter. Likewise, one can be a "special inspector" and if not also "approved" then it does not matter either.


JP: Agreed, but you take my statement completely out of context.

The crux of this issue lies in the fact that, at least in my experience, the design professionals send out just whichever schmuck happens to be malingering in the office at the time something needs to be inspected. There is essentially and technically nothing special about this person other than the fact that their number is up.

There are also requirements above and beyond what the ICC may address. A close reading of the PTI materials (and they are legion) will certainly lead one to believe that someone inspecting a PTI foundation must have a special skill set which qualifies him or her to properly conduct such an inspection. That goes for all of the other regs that chime in here - ACI, WRI, et al.

There's nothing special about many of the folks I have encountered in these circumstances: I perform a pre-placement inspection only to find 40 or 50 blatant violations of PTI, and therefore IBC and IRC, mandates. The municipal and design firm inspectors have preceded me and found nothing. Now THAT'S SPECIAL!:D

Aaron

Ted Menelly
01-23-2009, 10:05 AM
Hmm

I get a little giddy sometimes with being stumped for words at written posts on here.

I inspect pre pours all year (well, not much of anything right now)

Let me see. A hole in the ground and trenches running thru it , a bunch of steel running thru it, a set of stamped engineers plans for that foundaion with all the info you need, a tape measure, a little knowledge ???? What seems to be the problem.

You have a set of engineered plans, reviewed by the building department, stamped by the engineer and approved by the building department, you inspect the hole and the goodies in it to see if they match the plans:confused: :confused: :confused:

Whats the big deal???????????????????????????????

A.D. Miller
01-23-2009, 10:50 AM
Hmm

I get a little giddy sometimes with being stumped for words at written posts on here.

I inspect pre pours all year (well, not much of anything right now)

Let me see. A hole in the ground and trenches running thru it , a bunch of steel running thru it, a set of stamped engineers plans for that foundaion with all the info you need, a tape measure, a little knowledge ???? What seems to be the problem.

You have a set of engineered plans, reviewed by the building department, stamped by the engineer and approved by the building department, you inspect the hole and the goodies in it to see if they match the plans:confused: :confused: :confused:

Whats the big deal???????????????????????????????

Ted: The "big deal" here, as you put it, is that there is a lot more too it than your simplistic statement might indicate. As an inspector it is not your job to depend upon the engineer or the municipal building inspection department to have done their jobs correctly. That is called assumption and not inspection.

Ted Menelly
01-23-2009, 11:36 AM
Ted: The "big deal" here, as you put it, is that there is a lot more too it than your simplistic statement might indicate. As an inspector it is not your job to depend upon the engineer or the municipal building inspection department to have done their jobs correctly. That is called assumption and not inspection.


Aaron

Yes that is all there is to it. An engineer has already done the investigation as to the type of soil and the area in concern and has designed the foundation to fit those conditions. The city reviews the engineers plans. They go to the builder then to the contractor doing the work. I get the plans (not all that often I do a pre pour inspection. Always get a call the afternoon before) I inspect the hole in the ground and the steel to see if they have followed the engineers plans and away you go.

There may be codes for foundations but the design/engineering/layout is put together by the engineer. Who is anyone to question the engineer about the engineering of the entire site and foundation design for that site. The design is not something they pulled out of there butt. Again the sites have engineering and the plans from the engineer are disigned for that site.

Yes, it is simplistic. The trenches, depth, steel, cables, connections etc. All on the plan.

That would be like saying that you found a bunch of concerns with a foundation. The engineer comes in and does his report and his layout for repairs and you say, ahhhh, nope, I ain't buying it. The engineer is full of crap.

Fact is. You have nothing more to go by other than the engineers plan. It is only your to to make sure the contractors abided by those engineered plans.

not arguing here. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying. I am guilty, often, of scanning and not reading the posts completely.

A.D. Miller
01-23-2009, 11:56 AM
Aaron

Yes that is all there is to it. An engineer has already done the investigation as to the type of soil and the area in concern and has designed the foundation to fit those conditions. The city reviews the engineers plans. They go to the builder then to the contractor doing the work. I get the plans (not all that often I do a pre pour inspection. Always get a call the afternoon before) I inspect the hole in the ground and the steel to see if they have followed the engineers plans and away you go.

There may be codes for foundations but the design/engineering/layout is put together by the engineer. Who is anyone to question the engineer about the engineering of the entire site and foundation design for that site. The design is not something they pulled out of there butt. Again the sites have engineering and the plans from the engineer are disigned for that site.

Yes, it is simplistic. The trenches, depth, steel, cables, connections etc. All on the plan.

That would be like saying that you found a bunch of concerns with a foundation. The engineer comes in and does his report and his layout for repairs and you say, ahhhh, nope, I ain't buying it. The engineer is full of crap.

Fact is. You have nothing more to go by other than the engineers plan. It is only your to to make sure the contractors abided by those engineered plans.

not arguing here. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying. I am guilty, often, of scanning and not reading the posts completely.

Ted: Five out of ten times I do a pre-placement inspection there is no geotechnical report available. When there is, 100% of the time it is incomplete.

The engineer is required by IRC, IBC and PTI to adhere to certain standards. Additionally, he is required by a whole laundry list of agencies to complete a general notes page replete with instructions as to what standards are to be met. He does not copy and past the text of these standards into the design documents, but merely refers to them by citation number. If the builder, contractor, inspector, whatever has the intent of being in compliance he must be aware of these standards that are to be met. Without that knowledge he is shooting in the dark.

It is very often that an engineer's plans are light in the general notes section, leaving the other parties in the construction process clueless of his intent. This is why we have these things written down. Everything else is presumptive hot air.

In the end, if you treat the applicable standards as you treat my posts by scanning through them, you miss a lot.

Aaron

Ted Menelly
01-23-2009, 01:17 PM
Ted: Five out of ten times I do a pre-placement inspection there is no geotechnical report available. When there is, 100% of the time it is incomplete.

The engineer is required by IRC, IBC and PTI to adhere to certain standards. Additionally, he is required by a whole laundry list of agencies to complete a general notes page replete with instructions as to what standards are to be met. He does not copy and past the text of these standards into the design documents, but merely refers to them by citation number. If the builder, contractor, inspector, whatever has the intent of being in compliance he must be aware of these standards that are to be met. Without that knowledge he is shooting in the dark.

It is very often that an engineer's plans are light in the general notes section, leaving the other parties in the construction process clueless of his intent. This is why we have these things written down. Everything else is presumptive hot air.

In the end, if you treat the applicable standards as you treat my posts by scanning through them, you miss a lot.

Aaron

Ah, nope.

I did say "and a little knowledge" The knowledge I am talking about is from doing this so long and being able to determine by your initial visual inspection that, yup, that just ain't right. I am sure not you or anyone on hear stands there with all the books open like you are reading a pryer over the grave site unless you see something that is just not right.

Not arguing at all.

It is just a hole in the ground with a bunch of stuff in it after a while. Miss something??? Only if I don't walk over to the hole. Yes I find things on most occasions. Any seriously major items. Not to often. A beam trench a couple inches to shallow or wide. Yup. Protective sheathing on the cables missing, yup. Not enough or near the configuration of rebar at a particular intersecting point, yup. Its not brain surgery,

Jerry misunderstood me once on a post where I mentioned that even walking a half mile it still only takes so many steps for the inspection. He thought it meant the amount of items I inspected. I was talking the physical steps at a half mile an hour. You are still going to be out of there in no time at a half mile an hour.

Trust me Aaron. I am not trying to take anything away from you, Jerry or anyone else but it ain't brain surgery. Sometimes, some folks just get a little to deep.

Just my opinion AND to much time on my hands. I am glad to see some folks out there that are still busy. I for one am not (at all) and I am usually busier than the masses.

Tom Phillips
01-23-2009, 03:16 PM
Would this company be HRES?
They called me once (many months ago) and I have not heard from them since.

A.D. Miller
01-23-2009, 04:19 PM
The knowledge I am talking about is from doing this so long and being able to determine by your initial visual inspection that, yup, that just ain't right. I am sure not you or anyone on hear stands there with all the books open like you are reading a pryer over the grave site unless you see something that is just not right.


Ted: I've been doing this since 1975, so don't play the tenure card on me.



Not arguing at all.


Ted: But it sure sounds like you are.



Its not brain surgery,


Ted: Never said it was brain surgery, only that one must use their brain.



Jerry misunderstood me once


Ted: Just once? You're doing better than I am on that count then.



Trust me Aaron. Sometimes, some folks just get a little to deep.


Ted: Just serious students of the game.



Just my opinion AND to much time on my hands.

Ted: Me too nowadays.


I am glad to see some folks out there that are still busy.

Ted: Not in my neighborhood.

Ted Menelly
01-23-2009, 04:45 PM
Ted: I've been doing this since 1975, so don't play the tenure card on me.



Ted: But it sure sounds like you are.



Ted: Never said it was brain surgery, only that one must use their brain.



Ted: Just once? You're doing better than I am on that count then.



Ted: Just serious students of the game.




Ted: Me too nowadays.



Ted: Not in my neighborhood.

One of these days I am going to use my brain on this site and figure out the multi quote thing.

No offense to anyone at all. Like I said just a little irritated lately with my backside getting sore.

I also have to check my spelling and correct word usage. Gees. I just reread my post.

Bruce King
01-26-2009, 09:05 AM
I just found out that the company run by Ed Harrison will not agree to being responsible for the costs if you have to pursue an overdue payment.

He said the payments usually come from the mortgage company anyway.

He did not comment on the error I pointed out in the pdf document that says it takes 5-15 minutes on site. You had better figure 40 to 60 minutes to do what they want and more if the crawl access is cluttered.

Scott Patterson
01-26-2009, 09:16 AM
This program is very similar to the one that has been around for several years. That one is Hayman Residential
Engineering Services, LLC (http://www.hayman-res.com) I have been with them for several years and I might have one or two jobs a year from them. I simply do not have that many manufactured homes in my area.

Hayman is simple and easy to deal with. If I recall you will be paid in about 2-3 weeks after the inspection.

Jerry Peck
01-26-2009, 09:21 AM
This program is very similar to the one that has been around for several years. That one is Hayman Residential
Engineering Services, LLC (http://www.hayman-res.com) I have been with them for several years and I might have one or two jobs a year from them. I simply do not have that many manufactured homes in my area.

Scott,

At least they are not embarrassed to put their name out there for you to see it and be able to check on it.

These Ray J. guy and that "survey" has all the trimmings and trappings of 'let me get from you what I can, then you are on your own'.

Scott Patterson
01-26-2009, 09:51 AM
Scott,

At least they are not embarrassed to put their name out there for you to see it and be able to check on it.

These Ray J. guy and that "survey" has all the trimmings and trappings of 'let me get from you what I can, then you are on your own'.

That is true.

I did not see that anyone had posted their website. This is it Nationwide Foundation Certifications :: HUD & VA Manufactured Homes Inspections and Compliance (http://foundationcerts.com/)

William Slade
01-26-2009, 10:25 AM
Hey Ray J. I sent you all my info last week but no sign of a response from your end... guess you don't have that much going in Colorado eh? Bill

Darrel Hood
01-27-2009, 05:11 AM
I received an email from them yesterday. They provide engineering certification for mobile home foundations based on contractor inspection reports. In the email, they clearly outline their payment and inspection program. They also attached the business agreement which appears to be straight forward. It looks to me like they give adequate information for any applicant to make a decision on whether to do business with them.

Darrel Hood
DILIGENT PROPERTY SERVICES
(936)827-7664

EmmanuelScanlan
01-27-2009, 08:48 AM
I received an email from them yesterday. They provide engineering certification for mobile home foundations based on contractor inspection reports. In the email, they clearly outline their payment and inspection program. They also attached the business agreement which appears to be straight forward. It looks to me like they give adequate information for any applicant to make a decision on whether to do business with them.

Darrel Hood
DILIGENT PROPERTY SERVICES
(936)827-7664

Darrel,

Can you verify what the company's name is? Is it Nationwide Foundation Certification as Scott noted above?

Scott Patterson
01-27-2009, 09:02 AM
Darrel,

Can you verify what the company's name is? Is it Nationwide Foundation Certification as Scott noted above?

That is what is listed on the paperwork that they sent me! So, yes I can verify it.... :D

EmmanuelScanlan
01-27-2009, 09:11 AM
That is what is listed on the paperwork that they sent me! So, yes I can verify it.... :D

Thank you Scott!

Darrel Hood
01-27-2009, 09:32 AM
On the documents they sent me, the company name is Foundation Certifications.com. The contract is with Harrison Engineering, LLC of Klamath Falls, Oregon, which owns Foundation Certifications.com.

I found no reference to Nationwide Foundation Certification. Perhaps, they are using a different business name in different regions?

Darrel Hood
DILIGENT PROPERTY SERVICES
(936)827-7664

Jerry Peck
01-27-2009, 09:40 AM
Perhaps, they are using a different business name in different regions?


Just a thought, but if they are signing and sealing those documents with an engineer's stamp and signature, would not that engineer be required to be licensed/registered in the state where the foundation was being constructed?

Scott Patterson
01-27-2009, 09:53 AM
On the documents they sent me, the company name is Foundation Certifications.com. The contract is with Harrison Engineering, LLC of Klamath Falls, Oregon, which owns Foundation Certifications.com.

I found no reference to Nationwide Foundation Certification. Perhaps, they are using a different business name in different regions?

Darrel Hood
DILIGENT PROPERTY SERVICES
(936)827-7664

Go and look at the website (click on the link I provided) then you will see that they are one in the same.

Scott Patterson
01-27-2009, 09:55 AM
Just a thought, but if they are signing and sealing those documents with an engineer's stamp and signature, would not that engineer be required to be licensed/registered in the state where the foundation was being constructed?

With Hayman they list the states that they hold a license in. I would assume that Harrison would be doing the same.

Richard Thacker
01-27-2009, 10:29 AM
http://www.needahomeinspector.com (http://needahomeinspector.com/)

You guys must have seriously beat the sh*t out of Ray J. He took his secret "next best thing" business and went home. Good going all:D

Darrel Hood
01-27-2009, 10:32 AM
Jerry,
I am neither knowledgeable on the requirements of an engineer to stamp a document, nor am I responsible for compliance. I am aware of the requirements imposed by my license, and I will fulfill those requirements to the best of my ability in everything I do. I also have the habit of getting my attorney to review every contract, including this one, before I sign it. That is part of my due diligence and risk assessment. Thank you though, for sounding this note of caution.

Darrel Hood
DILIGENT PROPERTY SERVICES

Michael Thomas
03-10-2009, 08:50 AM
Just got off the phone with Mr. Harrison attempting to better understand the subcontractor agreement .

In the mutual covenants, HE responsibilities, it stated (5) that AG will "indemnify and hold the subcontractor harmless against any and all liabilities, losses. expenses, claims or cost from any issue arising as a result of the foundation certification".

However in the subcontractor's responsibilities it states (5) that the subcontractor "shall maintain professional liability insurance for protection from claims arising out of performance of professional services caused by any negligent error, omission or act for which the insured is legally liable".

Per Mr. Harrison, as subcontractors are not employees of AG, and AG's error and omissions insurance does not cover them - you have to provide your own E&O.

I've not checked with FREA (my E&O carrier) but based on conversations I've had with FREA on similar issues in the past I'm only covered for home inspections conducted in compliance with the Illinois State SOP on the basis of a signed contract for same.

So if I wish to be covered by E&O and general liability for these foundation inspections it appears likely I would have to obtain coverage through another source, and I suspect I'd find it tough to locate one which would write coverage for such an inspection.

Scott Patterson
03-10-2009, 10:02 AM
Just got off the phone with Mr. Harrison attempting to better understand the subcontractor agreement .

In the mutual covenants, HE responsibilities, it stated (5) that AG will "indemnify and hold the subcontractor harmless against any and all liabilities, losses. expenses, claims or cost from any issue arising as a result of the foundation certification".

However in the subcontractor's responsibilities it states (5) that the subcontractor "shall maintain professional liability insurance for protection from claims arising out of performance of professional services caused by any negligent error, omission or act for which the insured is legally liable".

Per Mr. Harrison, as subcontractors are not employees of AG, and AG's error and omissions insurance does not cover them - you have to provide your own E&O.

I've not checked with FREA (my E&O carrier) but based on conversations I've had with FREA on similar issues in the past I'm only covered for home inspections conducted in compliance with the Illinois State SOP on the basis of a signed contract for same.

So if I wish to be covered by E&O and general liability for these foundation inspections it appears likely I would have to obtain coverage through another source, and I suspect I'd find it tough to locate one which would write coverage for such an inspection.

I just received a new email from Mr Harrison, attached was a new contract. I will not be signing it due to the payment change (you get paid when they collect) and the insurance issue. The original contract was not like this one.

Dana Bostick
03-20-2009, 02:32 PM
Part of the beauty of running your own business is the freedom to choose who you do or do not work for. As a contractor, I wouldn't even consider bidding jobs for a developer or realtor. Life presents enough challenges at times without purposefully bringing sleazebags into it.
As an inspector I don't work for anyone and everyone who calls. Would I work for an Ins. company? Maybe. I agree with Aaron that their paperwork is in it's own sleaze category.
I checked this guys page, yes the info he asks for seems benign enough. However, with that info, (I) someone could gather the rest of the necessary info to steal your identity or create mischief.
If someone wants to do business but isn't willing to say who they really are ... well no thanks.

That info is freely available all over several of my websites. Probably in your promo as well. what's to hide? If that is all it took to steal my identity, we are all toast!
LOL:eek:

H.G. Watson, Sr.
03-20-2009, 03:19 PM
Site says he's only licensed in three states CA, OR & VA Haven't verified license status. only charges 100-200 for a site inspection/reinspection can't be much left after the engineer takes his cut. Web site looks fishy never giving address.

Dana Bostick
12-28-2009, 02:32 PM
Hello Everyone,

We are in need of people who have construction experience and/or site inspection experience.

We have projects throughout the nation and we are always looking for good, reliable people.

Our business is constantly expanding into new locations and finding the right person for a specific location is important to us.

If you have a good eye for detail then you need to contact us.

If you think you might be interested, then you need to go to our pre-qualification questionnaire page to see if you are the right fit for our type of work. Please go to:

On-Site Inspector (http://siteturbo.com/limesurvey/index.php?sid=45499&lang=en)

Thanks for listening and we hope to hear from you.

--
Ray


Been registered with your guys since April. Not seen one job yet. Not a high demand I guess. :rolleyes:

William Slade
12-28-2009, 07:19 PM
I sent my info about 6 months ago and all I've recieved so far is a nice xmas card....guess they don't do much work in Colorado b

Ron Bibler
12-28-2009, 07:44 PM
I had a company call me last week looking for an inspector to drive 2 & 1/2 hr out on the north coast about 3 hr north of San Francisco for $ 100.00 and you get paid on a later date... What heck are these people thinking ?

this would have been about a 6 hr drive alone to this property and back.

Now if it was summer time and I was going for a long ride out on the coast as I do some times this would have been OK... as I ride the coast from time to time its a very nice ride up Hwy 1 north. $ 100.00 will do a lobster lunch.

Best

Ron