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mathew stouffer
05-29-2009, 09:45 AM
This is an electric water heater on the third floor of an apartment complex, about 50 units. As you can see there is a pan with no drain (installed during an remodel in 08). Contractor said it's code and I know it is not. It's not the IRC, what section of the building code is this under.

Tim Saunders
05-29-2009, 10:13 AM
This is an electric water heater on the third floor of an apartment complex, about 50 units. As you can see there is a pan with no drain (installed during an remodel in 08). Contractor said it's code and I know it is not. It's not the IRC, what section of the building code is this under.

Try this
Drain-Pan: A drain pan is required when
a water heater is installed in a location
where leakage could cause damage to
structure. The drain pan shall be installed
with a minimum ¾” drain line that drains
to the exterior of the building or approved
location. The discharge pipe from
the drain pan can be copper or PVC. The
discharge from the temperature and pressure
relief valve cannot terminate into the
water heater drain pan. (508.4 & .5 C.P.C.
2007)

I have never worked in a jurisdiction that has allowed a drain line to terminate on the floor except for the T&P extension which I can not see in the pic.
The drain pan has a drain all ready started, it should have been continued to a approved termination point.
You could always recommend evaluation by a licensed plumber

Question, is that dirt to the right of the water heater

Have a great day

Tim

Jerry Peck
05-29-2009, 10:19 AM
As you can see there is a pan with no drain (installed during an remodel in 08). Contractor said it's code and I know it is not. It's not the IRC, what section of the building code is this under.

Mat,

It's the IRC. ;)

- P2801.5 Required pan. Where water heaters or hot water storage tanks are installed in locations where leakage of the tanks or connections will cause damage, the tank or water heater shall be installed in a galvanized steel pan having a minimum thickness of 24 gage (0.016 inch) (0.4 mm) or other pans for such use. Listed pans shall comply with CSA LC3.
- - P2801.5.1 Pan size and drain. The pan shall be not less than 1 1/2 inches (38 mm) deep and shall be of sufficient size and shape to receive all dripping or condensate from the tank or water heater. The pan shall be drained by an indirect waste pipe having a minimum diameter of 3/4 inch (19 mm). Piping for safety pan drains shall be of those materials listed

in Table P2904.5.
- - P2801.5.2 Pan drain termination. The pan drain shall extend full-size and terminate over a suitably located indirect waste receptor or shall extend to the exterior of the building and terminate not less than 6 inches (152 mm) and not more than 24 inches (610 mm) above the adjacent ground surface.

The code gave the contractor two choices, the contractor thought he had three choices - do nothing - however, that choice (of "do nothing") was not offered him ... but he took it anyway ... so now he gets to pay for the cost of doing it right, which will cost a lot more than doing it right back then.

brian schmitt
05-29-2009, 10:29 AM
jerry,
would the irc apply to a 3 story apartment building?

Jerry Peck
05-29-2009, 11:14 AM
jerry,
would the irc apply to a 3 story apartment building?

Ah, Excellent point, Brian.

No, the IPC would.

I believe, though, you will find the wording exactly the same, or at least very very close.

From the 2006 IPC.
- 504.7 Required pan. Where water heaters or hot water storage tanks are installed in locations where leakage of the tanks or connections will cause damage, the tank or water heater shall be installed in a galvanized steel pan having a minimum thickness of 24 gage, or other pans approved for such use.

- - 504.7.1 Pan size and drain. The pan shall be not less than 1.5 inches (38 mm) deep and shall be of sufficient size and shape to receive all dripping or condensate from the tank or water heater. The pan shall be drained by an indirect waste pipe having a minimum diameter of 0.75 inch (19 mm). Piping for safety pan drains shall be of those materials listed in Table 605.4.
- - 504.7.2 Pan drain termination. The pan drain shall extend full-size and terminate over a suitably located indirect waste receptor or floor drain or extend to the exterior of the building and terminate not less than 6 inches (152 mm) and not more than 24 inches (610 mm) above the adjacent ground surface.

mathew stouffer
05-29-2009, 02:21 PM
Thanks. Have a great weekend.