What's the deal with NACHI?

[Marc M]

I cant quite get a handle on their organization, are they a 501 NP, a good source of info, or an HI mall? I hear a few different stories, what say you?

[Scott Patterson]

I cant quite get a handle on their organization, are they a 501 NP, a good source of info, or an HI mall? I hear a few different stories, what say you?

I think they are listed as a 501 C-6. Being a NP does not mean that a company can not make money, look at NP hospitals and churches. They can have a "mall" or online store, ASHI has the same for years on their website.

[Marc M]

I'm looking for an Org to join, and I just wasnt sure. I hear a lot of negitives with that Org. and want to make a wise choice. They do however, have some pretty cool information over there. I also like ASHI.

[Scott Patterson]

I'm looking for an Org to join, and I just wasnt sure. I hear a lot of negitives with that Org. and want to make a wise choice. They do however, have some pretty cool information over there. I also like ASHI.

You need to look at the local organizations in your area. Check out the chapters, this is where you will get more out of an organization. CREIA is the main organization in CA. Many of the CREIA chapters are combination ASHI chapters as well. Yes, INACHI does have some impressive bells and whistles, and they have developed a good online education program that is free, so you don't have to be a member to use their education.

If I lived and worked in CA I would be looking at CREIA.

[Ryan Stouffer]

But if you want to take the National Home Inspectors exam, you have to take it through ASHI correct? Your local chapter can't help you with the exam can they?

[Scott Patterson]

But if you want to take the National Home Inspectors exam, you have to take it through ASHI correct? Your local chapter can't help you with the exam can they?

No! ASHI has nothing to do with the NHIE. They use it for their membership exam only.

Anyone (unless you are in a licensed state that must approve it first) can take the NHIE. Go to National Home Inspector Examination - The Examination Board of Professional Home Inspectors (http://www.homeinspectionexam.org) and on the top left corner you will see a section that says Take the Test.

You will take the exam at a Pearson Vue test center. They have several locations in every State.

This what you have in Utah:
Midvale
4517- Midvale Pearson VUE Test Center
7302 South 300 West Ste 301 Midvale UT 84047

Ogden
4515- Ogden Pearson VUE Test Center
1150 S. Depot Drive, Suite 125 Ogden UT 84404

Orem
4516- Orem/Provo Pearson VUE Test Center
1145 East 800 North Suite B Orem UT 84097

Note:You can not just walk-in and take the exam, you must register and make an appointment first.

[Bob Elliott]

I'm looking for an Org to join, and I just wasnt sure. I hear a lot of negitives with that Org. and want to make a wise choice. They do however, have some pretty cool information over there. I also like ASHI.

I have been a NACHI member for years and am happy with my choice Mark.
Scott is right.
Go to a few meetings of ASHI,or NACHI before you determine what to do.

In the Chicago area NACHI has a great local chapter , with lots of CE classes and educational benefits.

Why do you wish to join an association ?

Get to know the guys and see who you are comfortable with.

Go from there.

[Matt Fellman]

I agree with the others... check out your local stuff first. You'll get way more out of it on a local level IMO.

The national associations are, unfortunately, a bit of a mess at times with lawsuits going back and forth, bickering, name calling and other childish stuff that results in no help or education to the average inspector. And it's not all national associations or all of the time but you can definitely get an idea of it by searching some old threads.

Personally, I try to keep an open mind to all of them and don't really have an axe to grind with anyone in particular. The one you mention does seem to be in the middle of most chaos, however.

[Bob Elliott]

I agree with the others... check out your local stuff first. You'll get way more out of it on a local level IMO.

The national associations are, unfortunately, a bit of a mess at times with lawsuits going back and forth, bickering, name calling and other childish stuff that results in no help or education to the average inspector. And it's not all national associations or all of the time but you can definitely get an idea of it by searching some old threads.

Personally, I try to keep an open mind to all of them and don't really have an axe to grind with anyone in particular. The one you mention does seem to be in the middle of most chaos, however.

Your last statement contradicts what you said.:)

Chaos?

All I know is NACHI has the best education in the business ,and if you know it all already you can forget any other reason to join other than to put a Logo on your website.

I credit my success in this field to being a NACHI member.

[Matt Fellman]

No contradtion at all.... it's a fact that I-NACHI is in the middle of most controversies. I didn't say they didn't provide good education and do other stuff. I don't really have much of an opinion about them.

[Kevin Luce]

Like others have written, depending on what you are looking for will depend on what direction you want to go. While ASHI and InterNACHI both have their plus and minuses, it can be the local chapter that can make the difference.

I personally like the free CE classes on the internet from InterNACHI. I then can spend the money for education in areas where I can really learn a lot and not care if it meets the CE requirements. It just seems that most of the CE classes talk about are subjects we should have learned before becoming a home inspector.

Also check with an organization that teaches the city inspectors. The amount of information you will learn from those meetings and the city inspectors you meet can be a big help.

[Raymond Wand]

If your looking for credibility stay away from Nachi.

If you want gimmicks pick Nachi.

If you want a voice and a vote stay away from Nachi.

If you want tyrannical treatment at the hands of a disfunctional corrupt Ethics committee Nachi is the place.

If you want to be certified on line pick Nachi.

If you want to belong to an organization owned and run by a sole owner join Nachi.

Need overnite certification for mould, radon, ... just send money, your certification is in the mail.

:D

[Dan Harris]

If your looking for credibility stay away from Nachi.

Need overnite certification for mould, radon, ... just send money, your certification is in the mail.

:D

You forgot to add. If you want to blow a few extra bucks, and do 3 inspections this year, then you too can voted in as a "certified master something" , like this guy did.


For just a few hours on the computer, and 3 inspections, bammo he's a master inspector.

[ Quote] When one has been out of the picture for 40 years in the residential market, switching to a new career is not as easy as pumpkin pie.

How many Inspections have you done this year James?
Hey, I am on my third one. ha. ha.

[Bob Elliott]

Please note That Raymond Wand has been permanently banned from NACHI and has a history of fake names associated with internet stalking.

Dan Harris has a history of posting at the NACHI forum also.

NACHI has a Libertarian attitude in regard to its forum as much is open to the public , which fosters high SEO but also draws the nut balls.

Not here to participate in yelling at the banned .

I can attack the other association in retaliation but am not so childish.

Thanks to NACHI I have work and do not fixate on revenge from having to much time on my hands.

I would come on this forum and participate more often if not for your own local crackpots ,such as the "enraged" above posters.

[Bob Elliott]

Last word on this subject.....

I will be here tonight learning and meeting Past presidents of ASHI along with State Board members.

Guess they do not hate NACHI as much as the out of work guys that complain all day.

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Hello to all Illinois InterNACHI Members!
SEATING IS FILLING UP. IF YOU PLAN ON ATTENDING, PLEASE CONTACT Dale Bennett, (Dale@happyhomeinspections.com) (847) 431-8113 OR RESERVATIONS.
The Chicago Chapter of InterNACHI (NACHIChicago) is please to offer Evaluation of Masonry Residential Buildings CE Course worth 3 hours for Illinois and InterNACHI.
This course will cover the methodologies for inspecting masonry (masonry structure or masonry veneer) houses and condominium buildings. This is and increasingly important topic given the recent (last 3 years) increase in problems with water intrusion problems with brick and split faced block buildings. The class will review the issues involved, the building science, the various construction techniques and how to find problems and better serve your client.

Location: Best Western
4400 Frontage Rd .
Hillside IL 60162
P-708-544-9300

Time: Thursday November 19, 2009 6:00 PM

Fee: InterNACHI Chicagoland Chapter Member - $35.00

InterNACHI members who are not Chicagoland Chapter Members – $50.00

Non-NACHI Members – $80.00

[Dan Harris]

I can attack the other association in retaliation but am not so childish.

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LOL.. Some choose to pay nick $289.00 to be childish, to attact other associations for them, and some man up and choose speak for themselves.

[Scott Patterson]

That is kind of an expensive chapter meeting!
I have heard that the Chicago INACHI chapter is a good chapter due to the caliber of folks that run it and the work that they put into it. If I lived in the Chicago area I would most likely be attending as well, but that price might make me think twice.

What are the annual dues for the Chicago INACHI chapter, if each meeting is $35 for its members?

[Kevin Luce]

It's obvious that some do not like InterNACHI and go out of their way. The same goes with ASHI. They both have their pluses and minuses.

It's surprising how places like this can make InterNACHI and ASHI, and I'll include Realtors, sound sooo bad. Yet over the years when I've asked ASHI and InterNACHI home inspectors and Realtors to rate each other, the average number is 7. 1 being impossible and 10 being the best.

I'm just saying that what I hear here and other places like this is not what I hear or see in my part of the world.

[Scott Patterson]

Just about everyone who is posting have been in the profession for less than 10 years and they were not around when a similar battle ensued between NAHI and ASHI. Pretty much the same just the names have changed; it was about 8 years ago the battle started to shift to INACHI against ASHI and NAHI.

It is just such a waste of time and energy to keep doing it. The dozen or so folks with each organization seem to relish in keeping the battles in the forefront of the inspection profession. It makes little sense and has little impact on the organizations. If we were to all just concentrate on doing a good job for our clients and obtaining good continuing education no matter the source we would all be better off and the profession would benefit more than any of us could imagine.

[Bob Elliott]

That is kind of an expensive chapter meeting!
I have heard that the Chicago INACHI chapter is a good chapter due to the caliber of folks that run it and the work that they put into it. If I lived in the Chicago area I would most likely be attending as well, but that price might make me think twice.

What are the annual dues for the Chicago INACHI chapter, if each meeting is $35 for its members?

That is a CE class Scott
Does your State have CE classes and how much do they cost?

$35 is the cheapest you will find as most charge $125 to $200 for the same.
I know for a fact we will have ASHI members in attendance to get the discount rate and this is a highly educationl subject that has never been explored before.
So much foe calling NACHI a purely web based Association.
I have been a local NACHI Chicago member for several years now with ASHI headquarters down the street.

NACHI just offers more in education and cooperation.
Nothing against ASHI but NACHI has more life and I refuse to live in the past.

Remember this is my experience and some areas of the country you are better off with ASHI as Realtors in those areas control who gets what ,and ASHI has convinced those Brokers to only use their guys.
ASHI is based here and runs things like the old Unions.
In Chicago, associations are not as important as we have state licensing, which means ASHI by pushing for licensing ,has actually shot themselves in the foot.

As for myself I have never stepped foot in a Realtor s office or marketed that way.

Sure NACHI pushes us to market to the above but who says anyone needs to step in unison as we are all Independant.
I may get a ASHI membership to go along with my NACHI membership some day. (who cares other than me).

[Kevin Luce]

That is kind of an expensive chapter meeting!
I have heard that the Chicago INACHI chapter is a good chapter due to the caliber of folks that run it and the work that they put into it. If I lived in the Chicago area I would most likely be attending as well, but that price might make me think twice.

What are the annual dues for the Chicago INACHI chapter, if each meeting is $35 for its members?
Many years ago I went to a Chicago InterNACHI meeting and ASHI meeting. They both were good meeting but were focused on the Chicago area which seemed so different than the surrounding areas (especially here in N/W Indiana which we are considered the suburb of Chicago).

[Bob Elliott]

Many years ago I went to a Chicago InterNACHI meeting and ASHI meeting. They both were good meeting but were focused on the Chicago area which seemed so different than the surrounding areas (especially here in N/W Indiana which we are considered the suburb of Chicago).

True
That is one reason I do not even market to the suburbs.
If I ever see Romex I will call it out as permanent use of extension cord.:)

[Kevin Luce]

True
That is one reason I do not even market to the suburbs.
If I ever see Romex I will call it out as permanent use of extension cord.:)
You do know that most of the residential houses in the United States uses Romex (I've been told).;):)

[Scott Patterson]

That is a CE class Scott
Does your State have CE classes and how much do they cost?

$35 is the cheapest you will find as most charge $125 to $200 for the same.
I know for a fact we will have ASHI members in attendance to get the discount rate and this is a highly educationl subject that has never been explored before.
So much foe calling NACHI a purely web based Association.
I have been a local NACHI Chicago member for several years now with ASHI headquarters down the street.

NACHI just offers more in education and cooperation.
Nothing against ASHI but NACHI has more life and I refuse to live in the past.

Remember this is my experience and some areas of the country you are better off with ASHI as Realtors in those areas control who gets what ,and ASHI has convinced those Brokers to only use their guys.
ASHI is based here and runs things like the old Unions.
In Chicago, associations are not as important as we have state licensing, which means ASHI by pushing for licensing ,has actually shot themselves in the foot.

As for myself I have never stepped foot in a Realtor s office or marketed that way.

Sure NACHI pushes us to market to the above but who says anyone needs to step in unison as we are all Independant.
I may get a ASHI membership to go along with my NACHI membership some day. (who cares other than me).

Yes, my chapter (ASHI Middle Tennessee) offers 3 hours of State approved CE at every meeting, it is free to the members of the chapter and $15 for non members to help offset cost for the speakers, room, etc. We also offered an all day program with 8 hours of State CE, I think it cost $25 for non members and was free for members. Our dues are $75 a year.

This year my chapter will have offered 17 hours of CE. We have a small chapter with 31 members and only 15 or so folks on the average attending each meeting so we can't do what the larger chapters do. At the last meeting we had more non affiliated inspectors than members! The key is education, if you have a good program folks will attend!

The East TN chapter is the largest in the State, they pull folks from GA, VA, NC, and TN. They put on a weekend program that is good for around 16 hours of CE.

Again this is all done on a local level, with local talent, local funding and local leadership. It has nothing to do with national association when you get down to the details. Sure it does not hurt to have a recognized national organization name but that is about all that national has to do with any chapter.

[Scott Patterson]

You do know that most of the residential houses in the United States uses Romex (I've been told).;):)

Romex (NM cable) is only outlawed in Union controlled areas! Pretty much the same for PEX and CSST. I wonder why! ;)

[Bob Elliott]

Yes, my chapter (ASHI Middle Tennessee) offers 3 hours of State approved CE at every meeting, it is free to the members of the chapter and $15 for non members to help offset cost for the speakers, room, etc. We also offered an all day program with 8 hours of State CE, I think it cost $25 for non members and was free for members. Our dues are $75 a year.

This year my chapter will have offered 17 hours of CE. We have a small chapter with 31 members and only 15 or so folks or the average attending each meeting so we can't do what the larger chapters do. At the last meeting we had more non affiliated inspectors than members! The key is education, if you have a good program folks will attend!

The East TN chapter is the largest in the State, they pull folks from GA, VA, NC, and TN. They put on a weekend program that is good for around 16 hours of CE.

Yep..
Depends on your area Scott.

There is a Web based Chicago Chapter that actually has you study on line then meet with a proxy so you can take the test for CE credits.

This is an insane low price of $25 that is unheard of around here.

Tonights meeting is a bargin due to the new subject area and need to understand all the water issues we have been seeing in the windy city.

Brick flashing is either poorly done or non existent leading to all kinds of issues.
they replace lintels with no moisture barrier and seal the weeps or they fail to flash coping and use porous split block with no silicon treatment.
Split block construction is now against code around here for almost a year but many were constructed with it.
I look forward to this course.

[Bob Elliott]

Romex (NM cable) is only outlawed in Union controlled areas! Pretty much the same for PEX and CSST. I wonder why! ;)

When we remodel there is no need to tear up walls as conduit allows us to fish in the new conductors.

Conduit serves as ground around here.
You can argue that the pipes can dis connect but I seem to always have ground so that is rare.

Cuts down on fires...
Not as likely to have a nail driven into it.

Remember we had the Chicago Fire.

Personally seeing all that Romex stuff hanging drives me nuts. (it looks so sloppy):eek:

[Raymond Wand]

Please note That Raymond Wand has been permanently banned from NACHI and has a history of fake names associated with internet stalking.

Dan Harris has a history of posting at the NACHI forum also.

NACHI has a Libertarian attitude in regard to its forum as much is open to the public , which fosters high SEO but also draws the nut balls.

Not here to participate in yelling at the banned .

I can attack the other association in retaliation but am not so childish.

Thanks to NACHI I have work and do not fixate on revenge from having to much time on my hands.

I would come on this forum and participate more often if not for your own local crackpots ,such as the "enraged" above posters.

Bob what do individuals have to do with what I posted? Your membership in Nachi is befitting. Who the hell cares if I got kicked of Nachi. Thats old news and again shows that Nachi is not an ethical association if one is looking for credibility.

Nice try though!

[Bob Elliott]

Bob what do individuals have to do with what I posted? Your membership in Nachi is befitting. Who the hell cares if I got kicked of Nachi. Thats old news and again shows that Nachi is not an ethical association if one is looking for credibility.

Nice try though!

Last reply Raymond.
It is all about individuals in that is who makes up every association.

If you come on a public thread to discredit a public association I belong to you are attempting to discredit myself as an individual for belonging to it.
I therefore have every right to post a disclaimer in that your comments come from your own experience in being booted out..

You need to get over it and move on.

ASHI has good members like Scott that make it worth while to join them also.

Not to make light of any others but they are not the big players.

[Kevin Luce]

Bob what do individuals have to do with what I posted? Your membership in Nachi is befitting. Who the hell cares if I got kicked of Nachi. Thats old news and again shows that Nachi is not an ethical association if one is looking for credibility.

Nice try though!
Sometimes when I get really upset about things I count backwards from 10 to 1. Other times I take deep breathes. Regarding the things that really upset me, I work out. For some reason, reading these types of threads doesn't help like the other three things do.:confused:;)

[Raymond Wand]

Bob

Unlike you I did not attack individual members as you chose to do. What I did state are the factual short comings of Nachi as a whole as a professional body.

Sure there are good and bad inspectors in every association thats a given and is certainly not what my post was about.

[Marc M]

Wow...I guess I'll check out Creia.

[Bob Elliott]

Check out all of them.

[Ken Rowe]

Wow...I guess I'll check out Creia.
I'm a member of ASHI but have looked in to Internachi (due to the lawsuits they are no longer to be referred to as Nachi)

To me they both have major flaws but personally ASHI seems to be the lesser of two evils.

[Lisa Endza]

For the record, InterNACHI has never filed any lawsuits against ASHI or NAHI ever. We merely defended ourselves as any of you would do if attacked. Thank you all for the compliments regarding our free, online approved and accredited education for inspectors. We are very proud of our course offerings. Free inspector education and training. - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/education.htm)

[Bob Elliott]

For the record, InterNACHI has never filed any lawsuits against ASHI or NAHI ever. We merely defended ourselves as any of you would do if attacked. Thank you all for the compliments regarding our free, online approved and accredited education for inspectors. We are very proud of our course offerings. Free inspector education and training. - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/education.htm)

Thank You Lisa
Lisa works hard at NACHI to make sure everything runs smoothly and often answers the phone when I have called there in the past.

She is one of the many individuals that make NACHI a great choice in Associations.

I get so much free stuff it makes membership a no brainer.

Lisa if you come back here I lost my Microwave tester :)

Thanks for the supply of free flyers and the hat that I just got last week.

The educational manuals are great (how do you guys afford all the shipping)?

Keep up the great work.

[Lisa Endza]

Another free microwave oven meter being shipped to you today Bob! :)

[Bob Elliott]

Another free microwave oven meter being shipped to you today Bob! :)

WoW!
Just proves it is who you know,not what you know.
Those NACHI testers are great.
I always heat them up and tell my client to catch.(helps break the ice)

If you guys never saw them they look like bean bags and smell a little like popcorn.

[Rick Cantrell]

This will make a great INACHI slogan;
Instead of "Anything else is just looking around"
say; With INACHI "It is who you know,not what you know."

No offence intended Bob or Lisa, I just could not resist.:D

[Raymond Wand]

I get so much free stuff it makes membership a no brainer.

Thanks Bob, I couldn't of demonstrated any better why NACHI attracts those that it does! :D

Oh and Lisa, seeing as you report to Nick and are in a correcting mood, please ensure that Nick stops reporting falsities in that it only takes 30 seconds to become a member of ASHI, its false and baseless. :p ;)

[David Macy]

I have dual membership in both INachi and Ashi.
I find both organizations to be beneficial to me as a business.

I belong to a local ASHI chapter and enjoy meeting with my fellow inspectors on a monthly basis.

Most Realtor's in this area recommend ASHI inspectors.

I enjoy my Inachi membership and find value in the organization. The message board usual answers my questions. The education of the organization and its inspectors are second to none.

There are times when there is bickering/complaining/name calling on the board(s). That is all including this one.

I Nachi has been good to me. I plan on staying a member as well as ASHI.

I think the organizations are what you make out of them!!

[Bill Boerner]

Thanks Bob, I couldn't of demonstrated any better why NACHI attracts those that it does! :D

Oh and Lisa, seeing as you report to Nick and are in a correcting mood, please ensure that Nick stops reporting falsities in that it only takes 30 seconds to become a member of ASHI, its false and baseless. :p ;)

Ray I've always truly wondered what really sets ASHI and NACHI apart when it comes to certification. In my opinion not much. What's your opinion on this?

Please understand I'm not here to argue but to learn. I love a good conversation and I really enjoy educating those around us. So let's hasch this out once and for all. I truly believe BOTH orgs are fine organizations and both have their pluses and minus. Please help me understand some things I'm about to go duel membership once I get back from the war. I'll start...

For example...

NACHI: Education, Message Board, Brothers.

Education NACHI is hands down one of the best in the country. I can't speak for other orgs I've never joined them. For $289 I get free CE's, free products, and personal service.

Message Board Hands down one of the best message boards I've EVER encountered. I have made many good friends and if I need help on site or during writing a report and I ask a question the response is almost instantaneous. My cell phone is littered with 20+ year veterns of the HI trade who I can call at any given moment and these men and women will help me with no questions asked. Ray wouldn't you agree this only is worth $289 a year? I would.

Downfall Promoting members. Nick will tell you this is not his goal atleast that's how I took it. Maybe I'm wrong regardless NACHI needs alot of work when it comes to national recognition by the public and local realtors.

ASHI Promotion

Now like I said this is where I need help. What does ASHI have to offer other than promotion? I really don't know because I've never joined them yet. When it comes to promotion I give ASHI a true A+. In the St. Louis area many realtors simply think that you must be ASHI in order to do business with them. I applaud ASHI for such a great push when it comes to promoting their members. I did a realtor show about two months ago and I have to say the response to NACHI was alarming. Hardly no one knew about this great organization. ASHI was all over their face and printed on their backs. They knew exactly who ASHI is and that's why...

I have personally chosen to become a duel member once I return from the war.

Now with all that aside lets discuss membership.

It's been long noted that NACHI and ASHI have difference views over entrance requirements. I'm here to tell you both fail when it comes to allowing new members into their organization. In my opinion. No one should become certified until...

A. A new canadite finishes a certified training school.

B. A new canadite finishes on site training with another certified HI for atleast six months.

C. A new canadite must take a national recognized exam and pass it with alteast a 80 or better.

D. A new canadite must sit through multiple visual HI training videos. NACHI provides some of the best in the business.

E. A new canadite must submit mock reports once a month with complete pictures during their initial on site training on thier own home, friends, or families.

F. Once all this is accomplished only then should a "apprentice" seal be issued by any organization. Only after completing 250 paid inspections should any apprentice be awarded a craftsman full member seal.

Whats your thoughts? I know ASHI works in this way however the problem is I can gain a "apprentice seal" from ASHI and start doing inspections by simply filling out a form and sending in a check. Am I wrong? If so please correct me. Thank you sir.

[Raymond Wand]

Hi Bill,

Okay, that’s a fine list, but in my opinion and based on personal experience having been a member of more than one association in my inspection career and particularly with relation to Nachi I will only tell you what bothers me about Nachi as I have before.

There are no bylaws for members to observe

There are therefore no voting rights bestowed on members.

You are not entitled to an accounting of the financial situation of the organization.

The workings of the so-called Ethics and Standards of Practice are shameful and concerning and not up to snuff or for a body which wishes to be seen as professional. This leads me to ask if the Nachi Ethics Committee cannot set a professional standard, have a policy manual and bylaws to draw their power from how can it deal with the public in a befitting manner?

There is much evidence from others and myself that free memberships are given out without question, memberships revoked without cause, lifetime memberships given and/or paid for terminated without cause. Further there is the lingering overly trouble issues with Nachi handling internal and external ethics and conflicts of interest matters. Abuse of rules, which do exist, and certain relaxation of those rules to some while others are not so privileged. This is not befitting a body again which wishes to be seen as professional.

As to the education, I have never questioned the quality of Nachi and would go so far as to state that I have in the past commented positively about it. Needless to say and no argument from me this is were Nachi has an edge.

Again first hand experience only, I have found the manner in which the whole organization and business practices of Nachi are lacking and clearly the unaccountability is there for one reason of which I will leave that to your imagination.

The most unsettling and mysterious involvement of Nick and his inner party as to the going on's are clearly dubious and conflicting, marketers, vendors, and friends....

At the end of the day, given what I know the question I ask myself is why would anyone knowingly involve themselves and their professional image with the antics of a organization that in reality is in business solely to market it products on inspectors who feel that trinkets and giveaways and easy certification are an image of professional qualities?

As to education I firmly believe that education should rest with colleges and associations should stay out of education as it becomes an opportunity for making money on the backs of inspectors and is sometimes questionable as to the content and presentation.

As you can see my influences and opinions centre on sound financial accountability, rights to vote, fairness and professionalism. Nachi cannot exist as a professional entity without those systems in place.

Any way Bill I read your posts on Nachi from time to time and must tell you that you are thoughtful and reasonable and knowledgeable.

Cheers,

[Bob Elliott]

This will make a great INACHI slogan;
Instead of "Anything else is just looking around"
say; With INACHI "It is who you know,not what you know."

No offence intended Bob or Lisa, I just could not resist.:D

He he!
Rick if you are not a member , I know more than you thanks to our great educational system.:D

Sorry ,but you opened it up.:o

Reply to Ray..
Ray if Nick is getting rich and paying for my goodies with advertising that is what capitalism is all about.(who cares)
OH yeah..you live in Canada. (never mind):cool:

[Ken Rowe]

For the record, InterNACHI has never filed any lawsuits against ASHI or NAHI ever. We merely defended ourselves as any of you would do if attacked. Thank you all for the compliments regarding our free, online approved and accredited education for inspectors. We are very proud of our course offerings.

Nope, NACHI was sued by NAHI, thus the name change.

[Bob Elliott]

Nope, NACHI was sued by NAHI, thus the name change.

Oh yeah
I forgot about that org and the dozen or so members they have left.

Didn't they desperately try to merge with ASHI or something.?:rolleyes:

[Mark Nahrgang]

Thanks Bob, I couldn't of demonstrated any better why NACHI attracts those that it does! :D

Oh and Lisa, seeing as you report to Nick and are in a correcting mood, please ensure that Nick stops reporting falsities in that it only takes 30 seconds to become a member of ASHI, its false and baseless. :p ;)

Hmm. I guess you are right. It does takes a little longer than that to fill out the form and write a check. But if you use a credit card and fax in the registration I bet you could easily get it done in five minutes or less. :D

Ray we don't know each other and I've no interest in getting into a pissing match with you, but this is the main reason why I chose to join InterNACHI over ASHI. ASHI had no initial requirements (other than I could not be a REALTOR) to join. Fill out a form, write a check, send it, bada bing, bada boom...you're ASHI. (Granted, not a full member, but still ASHI all the same.) InterNACHI had a few more entrance requirements than that, which in my opinion, made the membership more meaningful.

[Bill Boerner]

Hi Bill,

Okay, that’s a fine list, but in my opinion and based on personal experience having been a member of more than one association in my inspection career and particularly with relation to Nachi I will only tell you what bothers me about Nachi as I have before.

There are no bylaws for members to observe

There are therefore no voting rights bestowed on members.

You are not entitled to an accounting of the financial situation of the organization.

The workings of the so-called Ethics and Standards of Practice are shameful and concerning and not up to snuff or for a body which wishes to be seen as professional. This leads me to ask if the Nachi Ethics Committee cannot set a professional standard, have a policy manual and bylaws to draw their power from how can it deal with the public in a befitting manner?

There is much evidence from others and myself that free memberships are given out without question, memberships revoked without cause, lifetime memberships given and/or paid for terminated without cause. Further there is the lingering overly trouble issues with Nachi handling internal and external ethics and conflicts of interest matters. Abuse of rules, which do exist, and certain relaxation of those rules to some while others are not so privileged. This is not befitting a body again which wishes to be seen as professional.

As to the education, I have never questioned the quality of Nachi and would go so far as to state that I have in the past commented positively about it. Needless to say and no argument from me this is were Nachi has an edge.

Again first hand experience only, I have found the manner in which the whole organization and business practices of Nachi are lacking and clearly the unaccountability is there for one reason of which I will leave that to your imagination.

The most unsettling and mysterious involvement of Nick and his inner party as to the going on's are clearly dubious and conflicting, marketers, vendors, and friends....

At the end of the day, given what I know the question I ask myself is why would anyone knowingly involve themselves and their professional image with the antics of a organization that in reality is in business solely to market it products on inspectors who feel that trinkets and giveaways and easy certification are an image of professional qualities?

As to education I firmly believe that education should rest with colleges and associations should stay out of education as it becomes an opportunity for making money on the backs of inspectors and is sometimes questionable as to the content and presentation.

As you can see my influences and opinions centre on sound financial accountability, rights to vote, fairness and professionalism. Nachi cannot exist as a professional entity without those systems in place.

Any way Bill I read your posts on Nachi from time to time and must tell you that you are thoughtful and reasonable and knowledgeable.

Cheers,

Thanks Ray I appreciate it. I have to agree on some key points you brought up....

There are no bylaws for members to observe

-- True

There are therefore no voting rights bestowed on members.

-- Agreed

You are not entitled to an accounting of the financial situation of the organization.

-- I agree however I don't see why I would need to know.

The workings of the so-called Ethics and Standards of Practice are shameful and concerning and not up to snuff or for a body which wishes to be seen as professional. This leads me to ask if the Nachi Ethics Committee cannot set a professional standard, have a policy manual and bylaws to draw their power from how can it deal with the public in a befitting manner?

-- Personally I've never really seen them at work in a meeting however I would love to be part of it, and attempted to do so, however it appears as if only certain people are considered for this role and for the amount of power the committee has it concerns me that the popular vote of our members is not considered for this board.

Lisa would you care to comment on any of this? Ray has some valid points here.

[Bill Boerner]

Hmm. I guess you are right. It does takes a little longer than that to fill out the form and write a check. But if you use a credit card and fax in the registration I bet you could easily get it done in five minutes or less. :D

Ray we don't know each other and I've no interest in getting into a pissing match with you, but this is the main reason why I chose to join InterNACHI over ASHI. ASHI had no initial requirements (other than I could not be a REALTOR) to join. Fill out a form, write a check, send it, bada bing, bada boom...you're ASHI. (Granted, not a full member, but still ASHI all the same.) InterNACHI had a few more entrance requirements than that, which in my opinion, made the membership more meaningful.

Ray my original post was aimed at learning more about ASHI and what they have to offer. Can you answer Marks concern. Now I have to agree Nick makes a fine point when he says ASHI is no more than a paper mill. He's referring to when a person first joins. From how I understand it you can simply sign up, pay money and get an "apprentice seal" stating your a inspector in training. With NACHI I can attest you must pass a test which wasn't that easy, and do other requirements before they released their seal to you. Did you know as well NACHI requires one to have 100 inspections under their belt before joining? If I remember correctly. So with that said NACHI requires proof of inspections, a passed test, and several other online training requirements before allowing you to display a certified seal. Still not near what I feel they should require however ASHI appears to give a training seal to those who never done a inspection in their life and simply sends them on their way and states come back when you have 250 under your belt for the craftsman seal. See the difference or am I missing it?

[Dan Harris]

Ray my original post was aimed at learning more about ASHI and what they have to offer. Can you answer Marks concern. Now I have to agree Nick makes a fine point when he says ASHI is no more than a paper mill. He's referring to when a person first joins. From how I understand it you can simply sign up, pay money and get an "apprentice seal" stating your a inspector in training. With NACHI I can attest you must pass a test which wasn't that easy, and do other requirements before they released their seal to you. Did you know as well NACHI requires one to have 100 inspections under their belt before joining? If I remember correctly. So with that said NACHI requires proof of inspections, a passed test, and several other online training requirements before allowing you to display a certified seal. Still not near what I feel they should require however ASHI appears to give a training seal to those who never done a inspection in their life and simply sends them on their way and states come back when you have 250 under your belt for the craftsman seal. See the difference or am I missing it?


See the difference or am I missing it?

Dang.. Ole Nicko sure does a good job on brain washing his newbys.:D
Trust me, YOU are missing it.

1st fact, ASHI DOES NOT market it's members as "Certified Inspectors" to the public until that inspector passed a proctored exam, provided proof of completing 250 inspections, had their inspection report reviewed by an other inspector and more.

All one has to do is go to nickos board and see questions asked by his new certified inspectors.
Anyone that's completed a basic HI training course, completed a few inspections, will immediately see that nicko's online joke quiz, that he calls an exam , and any other requirements for his non-verified certificiation, is a joke.

Quote" Did you know as well NACHI requires one to have 100 inspections under their belt before joining?

Huuh. Maybe you should start reading your own site, 90% of the newby "Certified Inspectors" openly state, on your BB they haven't done an inspection.

[Dan Harris]

Thanks Ray I appreciate it. I have to agree on some key points you brought up....

There are no bylaws for members to observe

-- True

There are therefore no voting rights bestowed on members.

-- Agreed

You are not entitled to an accounting of the financial situation of the organization.

-- I agree however I don't see why I would need to know.

The workings of the so-called Ethics and Standards of Practice are shameful and concerning and not up to snuff or for a body which wishes to be seen as professional. This leads me to ask if the Nachi Ethics Committee cannot set a professional standard, have a policy manual and bylaws to draw their power from how can it deal with the public in a befitting manner?

-- Personally I've never really seen them at work in a meeting however I would love to be part of it, and attempted to do so, however it appears as if only certain people are considered for this role and for the amount of power the committee has it concerns me that the popular vote of our members is not considered for this board.

Lisa would you care to comment on any of this? Ray has some valid points here.

Why would an owner of a priviatly owned home inspector chat board, provide a fourm for a Hi association for them to resolve their lack of ethic's ,and other business problems?

[John Kogel]

Did you know as well NACHI requires one to have 100 inspections under their belt before joining? If I remember correctly. So with that said NACHI requires proof of inspections, a passed test, and several other online training requirements before allowing you to display a certified seal. Still not near what I feel they should require however ASHI appears to give a training seal to those who never done a inspection in their life and simply sends them on their way and states come back when you have 250 under your belt for the craftsman seal. See the difference or am I missing it?Bill, I have no knowledge of ASHI, except that the org Iam in, CAHPI, adopted the ASHI SOP way back when. I'll tell you my experience with NACHI. I passed the online test, no study, and paid the $289 fee. I was instantly adopted, and given the rights to view the training stuff, some of which is excellent. I was never prompted to submit proofs of anything after that, I was a full fledged inspector on the list with a logo, no experience, no inspections done. Maybe there was a glitch there?:)

If NACHI held supervised exams that were real tests of knowledge, they may have been recognized as a valid org in BC Canada when licensing came in this spring. Instead, BC NACHI inspectors had to go scrambling to join the other orgs so they could prove they were qualified. That may not happen anywhere else, but that's what happened here. Those guys got left hanging because Nick would not hold proctored exams for them.

[Bill Boerner]

See the difference or am I missing it?

Dang.. Ole Nicko sure does a good job on brain washing his newbys.:D
Trust me, YOU are missing it.

1st fact, ASHI DOES NOT market it's members as "Certified Inspectors" to the public until that inspector passed a proctored exam, provided proof of completing 250 inspections, had their inspection report reviewed by an other inspector and more.

All one has to do is go to nickos board and see questions asked by his new certified inspectors.
Anyone that's completed a basic HI training course, completed a few inspections, will immediately see that nicko's online joke quiz, that he calls an exam , and any other requirements for his non-verified certificiation, is a joke.

Quote" Did you know as well NACHI requires one to have 100 inspections under their belt before joining?

Huuh. Maybe you should start reading your own site, 90% of the newby "Certified Inspectors" openly state, on your BB they haven't done an inspection.

Newbie :) That's ok you don't understand who your talking to yet. Trust me I can talk. ;) Dan not getting into spitting debate with you however I will get into a one on one adult debate with you if you care to join me. I'm sure your a fine inspector.

You made some good points. Yes I agree and I wrote it on here already ASHI does not certify a member until the requirements you posted is present. Problem is....

ASHI gives out a trainee badge for simply signing up and paying the due thus allowing a member to go out and do a inspection WITHOUT any formal training at all. With NACHI atleast you must show some compentence to pass a online test granted not proctored and you must square away many other training requirements Online as well before Nick gives out his seal. The 100 inspections is a hand shake type of deal with you the new guy signs a letter stating you did 100 inspections. That needs to go away I agree.

Before we go let's debate this first.

Next question is how does ASHI prove that one did 250 inspections? What's the process? I'm not bashing ASHI. I'm going to join and I would like to know how it works. I already know how NACHI works very well.

[Dan Harris]

Bill, I have no knowledge of ASHI, except that the org Iam in, CAHPI, adopted the ASHI SOP way back when. I'll tell you my experience with NACHI. I passed the online test, no study, and paid the $289 fee. I was instantly adopted, and given the rights to view the training stuff, some of which is excellent. I was never prompted to submit proofs of anything after that, I was a full fledged inspector on the list with a logo, no experience, no inspections done. Maybe there was a glitch there?:)
.

I, and thousands of others can vouch, There was no glitch :D

[Dan Harris]

Newbie :)

Before we go let's debate this first.

Next question is how does ASHI prove that one did 250 inspections? What's the process? I'm not bashing ASHI. I'm going to join and I would like to know how it works. .

American Society of Home Inspectors, ASHI (http://WWW.ASHI.ORG)

[Bill Boerner]

I, and thousands of others can vouch, There was no glitch :D

And again you still had to show some competence and I agree one should not become a full fledge inspector like the next guy however ASHI doesn't take any effort to do anything with a new guy. My point is NO badge regardless if its full fledge or an associate until one passes test, on site training, video training and other like I posted above. Both ASHI and NACHI should enforce higher standards. Do you guys see my point now?

PS. The associates badge with ASHI is confused alot with a full member in the publics eye. It needs to read trainee. One must not be forced to come to ASHI website in order to understand what the associates badge means.

[Bill Boerner]

American Society of Home Inspectors, ASHI (http://WWW.ASHI.ORG)

I understand they request 5 reports however do they make you send in all 250 and pick 5 from it? Thats my question.

[Dan Harris]

I understand they request 5 reports however do they make you send in all 250 and pick 5 from it? Thats my question.

Eight years ago when I joined they required a list of completed inspections, then picked 5 names from the list to send them for review.
Today I'm not sure.

[Dan Harris]

[QUOTE=Bill Boerner;109597]
Both ASHI and NACHI should enforce higher standards. Do you guys see my point now?

QUOTE]
Why enforce higher standards when many states don't have min standards, and one does not have to belong to a HI org to be an inspector?

[Dan Harris]

PS. The associates badge with ASHI is confused alot with a full member in the publics eye. It needs to read trainee.

NACHO's should read, this "Certified Inspector" or possibly someone else took it for him, a kindergarden on-line quiz, and promised to do other non-verfied things :D :D

[Ken Rowe]

If I remember correctly I had to send them a list of the 250 inspections then they picked some, maybe 5 or 10 to review. I had either 24 or 48 hours to send them the ones they picked.

ASHI is the only HI association with independant 3rd party certification.
It seems to be more difficult to become a certified inspector through ASHI. Some of this is due to ASHI not providing much for online learning or holding the prospects hand to get certification. But, then again, why should they? If you want to become a truely Certified Inspector you should have to work for it. A truely Certified Inspector shouldn't be able to sit in front of a computer and magically become a Certified Home Inspector.

ASHI has between 3,000 and 4,000 Certified Home Inspectors but has been around over 20 years longer than NACHI. NACHI has around 9,000 from what I understand. Which one do you think is easier to attain? Which one do you think is a "paper mill"? NACHI was born during the housing boom by an ex real estate agent who still runs the company. ASHI is not owned by any individual or group. Hezz, it doesn't seem NACHI is even recognized as a national HI organization in the state of Pennsylvania. All due to it's owner refusing to proctor its exams.

[Bob Elliott]

"Some of this is due to ASHI not providing much for online learning or holding the prospects hand to get certification. But, then again, why should they?"

UH!
Guess that sounds like someplace I want to waste money on.
Guess that's why all, the ASHI guys come to NACHI to learn.

Guess that's why several of the non -NACHI guys posting this thread are former heavy visitors to our forum.

Guess that is why our message board has more life than all the others combined as the old timers at the other associations refuse to help others.

We could require as many Inspections in the universe and find they are all wrong and poorly reported.
The market decides for us who knows what they are doing.

[Kevin Luce]

[quote=Bill Boerner;109597]
Both ASHI and NACHI should enforce higher standards. Do you guys see my point now?

QUOTE]
Why enforce higher standards when many states don't have min standards, and one does not have to belong to a HI org to be an inspector?
What? Maybe ASHI, NAHI, InterNACHI and everyone else should so the public knows the person they are hiring is knowledgeable. The certification doesn't prove anything besides that person has the basic knowledge. Yes, I know you can't go in that direction because the membership would drop and ASHI, InterNACHI and all the other org. wouldn't have as much money to make that org look good.

There is a home inspector that has been an ASHI associate member for years. He doesn't see any value in becoming an ASHI Certified Inspector. I asked him why once and he informed me that people ask him if he is a member of ASHI and he replies yes. People don't know the difference between associate and certified. All they hear is member.

ASHI and NAHI went at each other at one time. Now it ASHI and NACHI. If ASHI didn't have NACHI, I think ASHI would go after somebody else. At least around here, ASHI is the bully on the block. I don't know if it's because many of the ASHI members around here were union workers and they brought that attitude with them.

The biggest difference between ASHI and NACHI. ASHI wants to effect (in a negative way) the ability for me to feed my family while NACHI doesn't. While this might offend some ASHI member, it's a true statement and I don't have to prove Sh*t to anyone.

While Nick is a lot of things and NACHI has it's problems, I would pick InterNACHI over ASHI any day. Hell, if InterNACHI didn't have the CE classes for free, I wouldn't join either org because of their low requirements.

I can see why most home inspectors don't talk on these things and don't belong to an organization if they don't have to. For now, I'm just going to do one of the two.

Have a good life all.

[Ken Rowe]

"Some of this is due to ASHI not providing much for online learning or holding the prospects hand to get certification. But, then again, why should they?"

UH!
Guess that sounds like someplace I want to waste money on.
Guess that's why all, the ASHI guys come to NACHI to learn.

Guess that's why several of the non -NACHI guys posting this thread are former heavy visitors to our forum.

Guess that is why our message board has more life than all the others combined as the old timers at the other associations refuse to help others.

We could require as many Inspections in the universe and find they are all wrong and poorly reported.
The market decides for us who knows what they are doing.

When you quoted me you forgot to include the following sentence.
"If you want to become a truely Certified Inspector you should have to work for it."

Too many people want things given to them for free and with little work. For those people NACHI is the right association.

[Ken Rowe]

[quote=Dan Harris;109603]
The biggest difference between ASHI and NACHI. ASHI wants to effect (in a negative way) the ability for me to feed my family while NACHI doesn't. While this might offend some ASHI member, it's a true statement and I don't have to prove Sh*t to anyone.


You don't have to prove it to me, but I'd sure like to know exactly how ASHI affect the ability for you to feed your family. I've been a full ASHI member for 7 years and have received numerous leads directly from their web site. Enough to at least cover my dues and continuing education every year.

[Bob Elliott]

When you quoted me you forgot to include the following sentence.
"If you want to become a truely Certified Inspector you should have to work for it."

Too many people want things given to them for free and with little work. For those people NACHI is the right association.

Work for what?
I can hang 100 logos on my site and the only one that counts is the one I designed for my business.

I had two guys doing Inspections in front of me with all kinds of certification from the old Union association down the street from me in Park Ridge and I knew more about home systems than they did before I ever got my License.

Most of these guys down the street are still using checklists and spending maybe an hour on site.

If you call their 250 reports quality stuff ,that proves anything, you have no idea what you are talking about.
At NACHI we are required to have CE.

I'M just sayin :)

[Dan Harris]

Work for what?

Most of these guys down the street are still using checklists and spending maybe an hour on site.

If you call their 250 reports quality stuff ,that proves anything, you have no idea what you are talking about.
At NACHI we are required to have CE.

I'M just sayin :)

I'll hire an old guy that does an one hour inspection with a check list report all day long, before I would hire some new guy that has a fancy logo, and some fancy boiler plate narriative report.

" At NACHI we are required to have CE."
Required? Have you read how many of your members have openly stated they never completed any, and have never been asked for proof they completed any CE.

[Marc M]

I'm a member of ASHI but have looked in to Internachi (due to the lawsuits they are no longer to be referred to as Nachi)

To me they both have major flaws but personally ASHI seems to be the lesser of two evils.

What lawsuits? And for what?

[Dan Harris]

What lawsuits? And for what?

There are a couple different ones listed here, Search I think "Law Suit Nicks at it again" , or something like that.
There are also a couple references on the TIJ site.

Google nick, and you will find more, including one where he was sued, and fined by the state of PA, for defrauding PA consumers.

[Bob Elliott]

I'll hire an old guy that does an one hour inspection with a check list report all day long, before I would hire some new guy that has a fancy logo, and some fancy boiler plate narriative report.

" At NACHI we are required to have CE."
Required? Have you read how many of your members have openly stated they never completed any, and have never been asked for proof they completed any CE.

Names my friend....names.
Talk is cheap.

All this talk about openness when nobody can see what goes on behind ASHI closed doors.

I hear the whole purpose of ASHI is to try and protect the old timers business from the new guys.
Is it true that when the crickets stop chirping that the only reply a new guy gets is sarcasm and critique of spelling on the ASHI forum?

Your knowledge of NACHI is from spending so much time there even though you are not a member...right?
How many posts do you think you had?

So if all the new guys go to NACHI I guess ASHI will dis appear soon...right?

Are you saying that if I pretend to be spanking new and send ASHI my check they will not allow me to work?

I would love to have a competition between the top ASHI and NACHI guys at a home and see who does the best job.

What do you think would happen?

All these new guys that everyone hated 5 years ago now have many jobs under their belt and with much bettor education than offered anyplace else.

ASHI spent time selling to Agents ,while NACHI trained the future ,is the way I see it.

[Ken Rowe]

Work
If you call their 250 reports quality stuff ,that proves anything, you have no idea what you are talking about.
At NACHI we are required to have CE.

I'M just sayin :)

At ASHI we're required to have CE's also. 20 hours a year. We're also required to pass the National Home Inspector Exam to become a top level inspector. This is the very same proctored exam that over 20 states require for licensing.

[Dan Harris]

Names my friend....names.
Talk is cheap .

I'm not ratting on them,
A couple of them are from Fla. one from MO and a couple other states.

Some good info on this topic, provided by one of your top guys, can be found in the contents of the now deleted, site
What Went Wrong with NACHI

Mo and Kansas Lic departments have found this to be very valuable info. and useful in their attempt to protect their consumers from web site
Certified Inspectors.:D

[Ken Rowe]

What lawsuits? And for what?


NAHI v NACHI Lawsuit/Settlement Update (http://www.nahi.org/public/522.cfm)

Court Enters Judgment after InterNACHI Violates Settlement Agreement (http://www.nahi.org/public/565.cfm)

Do a google search and you'll find other lawsuits involving NACHI or InterNACHI.

[Bob Elliott]

NAHI v NACHI Lawsuit/Settlement Update (http://www.nahi.org/public/522.cfm)

Court Enters Judgment after InterNACHI Violates Settlement Agreement (http://www.nahi.org/public/565.cfm)

Do a google search and you'll find other lawsuits involving NACHI or InterNACHI.

That's what happens when the slow and old get scared.

[Ken Rowe]

To be a InterNACHI Certified Inspector you must:

You must have passed InterNACHI's Online Inspector Examination (free) with a score of 80 or better.
You must have completed InterNACHI's Ethics Obstacle Course (free).
You must have taken InterNACHI's Standards of Practice Quiz (free).
Mailing, faxing, or submitting online a completed InterNACHI Application/Affidavit.
Send them a check for $289To be an InterNACHI Master Inspector you must:

complete 1,000 fee-paid inspections and/or hours of inspection-related Continuing Education courses (combined) in their lifetime;
prove they've been in the inspection business for at least three years;

abide by the industry's toughest Code of Ethics;
substantially follow a Board-approved Standards of Practice;

submit to a criminal background check; and
apply for Board certification by signing an affidavit in front of a Notary.
To be an ASHI candidate you must:

Just joined ASHI and may be new to the inspection profession or may be a seasoned inspector who has not yet completed ASHI's requirements to move up in membership.To be an ASHI Associate w/logo use you must:

Passed the National Home Inspector Examination and ASHI's Standards and Ethics module.
ASHI has verified performance of 50 fee-paid inspections in substantial compliance with the Standards of Practice.
Had inspection reports successfully verified for compliance with ASHI's Standards of Practice.To be an ASHI Certified Inspector you must:

Passed the National Home Inspector Examination and ASHI's Standards and Ethics module.
Had inspection reports successfully verified for compliance with ASHI's Standards of Practice.
Submitted valid proof of performance of at least 250 fee-paid home inspections that meet or exceed the ASHI Standards of Practice.
Interesting, but according to InterNACHI they could have a Certified Master Inspector who has never done an inspection if they have completed enough education courses.

[Dan Harris]

Ken. Nick has the Certified Master Inspector" option for the ones that cannot pass, or find some one to take his on-line quiz for them.
They just have to pay nick a few extra $s. :D

[Bob Elliott]

You guys are too funny.

I grow weary of convincing closed minds.

[Ken Rowe]

Please keep in mind that I'm not saying that one association has better inspectors. I have issues with the way ASHI does things also. Just not with their "Certified Inspector" requirements.

[Scott Patterson]

We're also required to pass the National Home Inspector Exam to become a top level inspector. This is the very same proctored exam that over 20 states require for licensing.

That is 24 States and soon to be 25 once Florida starts their license program in 2010.

[wayne wilson]

It seems ASHI SPENDS MORE MONEY CONVINCING AGENTS IN HOW GOOD THEY ARE.,It does not matter what group you belong to , it is the job you do for your clients that counts . I like InterNachi because of the courses they provide.When i first started i was told i would not get much work if i was not a ASHI member . Guess what that person is no longer a member of ASHI and is a member of InterNachi after a local chapter of ASHI chapter craped on them. Any Assocation can get to big for their britches i guess.

[Bill Boerner]

Please keep in mind that I'm not saying that one association has better inspectors. I have issues with the way ASHI does things also. Just not with their "Certified Inspector" requirements.

You should have concerns. It's clear you nor anyone else here understands the message I'm sending out. Read closely...

A. While you was correct in your observation of NACHI you left off some information.

Within the first 10 days after becoming a certified member...

You must log in to InterNACHI's educational message board (http://www.nachi.org/loginconfusion.htm).
You must apply for a membership photo I.D. (http://www.nachi.org/sampleid.htm) (free).Within the first 30 days after becoming a certified member...

You must complete InterNACHI's online Safe Practices course (http://www.nachi.org/safety_course.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online 25 Standards Every Inspector Should Know course (http://www.nachi.org/25standardscourse.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Residential Standards of Practice course (http://www.nachi.org/intro-residential-sop-course.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.Within the first 45 days after becoming a certified member...

You must complete InterNACHI's online Plumbing course (http://www.nachi.org/plumbingcoursereleased2008.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Electrical course (http://www.nachi.org/electricalcoursereleased2006.htm) (free), including all quizzes within, and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Roofing course (http://www.nachi.org/roofingcoursereleased2005.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.Within the first 60 days after becoming a certified member...

You must complete InterNACHI's online HVAC course (http://www.nachi.org/hvaccourse.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Structural course (http://www.nachi.org/structuralcoursereleased2007.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Exterior Inspection course (http://www.nachi.org/exteriorcourse.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.Within the first 90 days after becoming a certified member...

You must complete InterNACHI's online Deck Inspections course (http://www.nachi.org/deck-inspections-course.htm) (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Moisture Intrusion Inspection course (http://www.nachi.org/moisturecourse.htm) (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.So let's take a closer look. Bottom line is when people call in my area for a home inspection most could care less about our little associations. However in my area you have those realtors who insist on leading their clients to believe that only a ASHI inspector is qualified enough to do the job. Sad but true. So here's the facts.

Fact 1: The phone call. Question posed by potential client on occation. "Do you belong to ASHI?" Now here's the problem. I can simply send in a check and fill out a form and once accepted without any type of online, in class, on site ed or any thing I can answer my potential client with one simple word.

"Yes"

9 times out of ten that ends it there. These people simply assume your automatically certified. Your not lying. They didn't ask you if your certified. Most ask "do you belong". Legally I can say yes.

Fact 2: Legally I can't say I belong to NACHI until I pass a online test which is much like the national exam most states uses for license requirements. Yes I agree I can sit at home and look up answers however since the test is "TIMED" that's very hard to do.

Fact 3: You cannot become a "Certified Master Inspector" simply by having enough credits. Yes it appears that way however you must have done 1000 paid inspections or 500 paid inspections and CE equivilant to match 1000 paid inspections if that made any sense.

As professional home inspectors it's our duty to give the public straight facts and to me quality, integrity and sound ethics is what I build my company with and before any of you spout anymore nonsense make sure to do your homework and speak with all the facts. Your not helping anyone by giving out half ass information.

As for Nick... Yes he's been sued on a number of occations and he's laid lawsuits on a number of people for various reasons. Bottom line is NACHI is a solid organization with good people who are very knowledable and I sincerely feel that ASHI is the same way. Both orgs are good organizations. Either one would be a good choice.

[Scott Patterson]

It always gets into a pissing contest whenever INACH is brought into the mix of any discussion on this board and over on TIJ. The same can be said whenever ASHI or NAHI is brought up over on the INACHI board. The players are pretty much the same on all three, sometimes they post under pseudo names.

Yes, over the past 10 years we have seen many lawsuits between INACHI, ASHI, NAHI and even EBPHI. Most I think revolved around marketing, trademark, a few petty items and some are just nuisance suits. Some were settled out of court, some were settled by the judge and some are still ongoing.

Some of the outcomes forced the defendants to change the way they advertise and talk about the other organizations. In one case the defended was forced to change the name of their organization and in another case the defendant was forced to change the name of their examination (actually this happened to two defendants).

I wish everyone would realize that is not the national organizations that are behind all of this crap, but rather a few individuals in each.

[Bill Boerner]

Please keep in mind that I'm not saying that one association has better inspectors. I have issues with the way ASHI does things also. Just not with their "Certified Inspector" requirements.


It seems ASHI SPENDS MORE MONEY CONVINCING AGENTS IN HOW GOOD THEY ARE.,It does not matter what group you belong to , it is the job you do for your clients that counts . I like InterNachi because of the courses they provide.When i first started i was told i would not get much work if i was not a ASHI member . Guess what that person is no longer a member of ASHI and is a member of InterNachi after a local chapter of ASHI chapter craped on them. Any Assocation can get to big for their britches i guess.

Good for them. That means more business for you if you effectively market realtors the way you should be doing. Weather you like it or not realtors hold a fast majority of our profit and if you leave them out of your pie crust your business will fold sooner or later. I market and advertise realtors on my website. There's a catch. I only advertise those whom I've done business with multiple times. My reports are narrative with pictures and I don't let up on language to please realtors. I write the true condition of the home in the best interest of my clients. If a realtor has a problem with that then under no circumstances will I associate my business with them any longer. Realtors you see on my site understand this and works in the best interest of their client. I post their picture on my site to show appreciation to their hard work and to the fact that they work in the best interest of their client. It's important that one builds a solid foundation with their reputation.

[Bill Boerner]

It always gets into a pissing contest whenever INACH is brought into the mix of any discussion on this board and over on TIJ. The same can be said whenever ASHI or NAHI is brought up over on the INACHI board. The players are pretty much the same on all three, sometimes they post under pseudo names.

Yes, over the past 10 years we have seen many lawsuits between INACHI, ASHI, NAHI and even EBPHI. Most I think revolved around marketing, trademark, a few petty items and some are just nuisance suits. Some were settled out of court, some were settled by the judge and some are still ongoing.

Some of the outcomes forced the defendants to change the way the advertise and talks about the other organizations. In one case the defended was forced to change the name of their organization and in another case the defendant was forced to change the name of their examination (actually this happened to two defendants).

I wish everyone would realize that is not the national organizations that are behind all of this crap, but rather a few individuals in each.

Well said Scott. What is TIJ?

[Scott Patterson]

You should have concerns. It's clear you nor anyone else here understands the message I'm sending out. Read closely...

A. While you was correct in your observation of NACHI you left off some information.

Within the first 10 days after becoming a certified member...

You must log in to InterNACHI's educational message board (http://www.nachi.org/loginconfusion.htm).
You must apply for a membership photo I.D. (http://www.nachi.org/sampleid.htm) (free).Within the first 30 days after becoming a certified member...

You must complete InterNACHI's online Safe Practices course (http://www.nachi.org/safety_course.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online 25 Standards Every Inspector Should Know course (http://www.nachi.org/25standardscourse.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Residential Standards of Practice course (http://www.nachi.org/intro-residential-sop-course.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.Within the first 45 days after becoming a certified member...

You must complete InterNACHI's online Plumbing course (http://www.nachi.org/plumbingcoursereleased2008.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Electrical course (http://www.nachi.org/electricalcoursereleased2006.htm) (free), including all quizzes within, and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Roofing course (http://www.nachi.org/roofingcoursereleased2005.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.Within the first 60 days after becoming a certified member...

You must complete InterNACHI's online HVAC course (http://www.nachi.org/hvaccourse.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Structural course (http://www.nachi.org/structuralcoursereleased2007.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Exterior Inspection course (http://www.nachi.org/exteriorcourse.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.Within the first 90 days after becoming a certified member...

You must complete InterNACHI's online Deck Inspections course (http://www.nachi.org/deck-inspections-course.htm) (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Moisture Intrusion Inspection course (http://www.nachi.org/moisturecourse.htm) (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.So let's take a closer look. Bottom line is when people call in my area for a home inspection most could care less about our little associations. However in my area you have those realtors who insist on leading their clients to believe that only a ASHI inspector is qualified enough to do the job. Sad but true. So here's the facts.

Fact 1: The phone call. Question posed by potential client on occation. "Do you belong to ASHI?" Now here's the problem. I can simply send in a check and fill out a form and once accepted without any type of online, in class, on site ed or any thing I can answer my potential client with one simple word.

"Yes"

9 times out of ten that ends it there. These people simply assume your automatically certified. Your not lying. They didn't ask you if your certified. Most ask "do you belong". Legally I can say yes.

Fact 2: Legally I can't say I belong to NACHI until I pass a online test which is much like the national exam most states uses for license requirements. Yes I agree I can sit at home and look up answers however since the test is "TIMED" that's very hard to do.

Fact 3: You cannot become a "Certified Master Inspector" simply by having enough credits. Yes it appears that way however you must have done 1000 paid inspections or 500 paid inspections and CE equivilant to match 1000 paid inspections if that made any sense.

As professional home inspectors it's our duty to give the public straight facts and to me quality, integrity and sound ethics is what I build my company with and before any of you spout anymore nonsense make sure to do your homework and speak with all the facts. Your not helping anyone by giving out half ass information.

As for Nick... Yes he's been sued on a number of occations and he's laid lawsuits on a number of people for various reasons. Bottom line is NACHI is a solid organization with good people who are very knowledable and I sincerely feel that ASHI is the same way. Both orgs are good organizations. Either one would be a good choice.

Billy, what you have printed is true but it is not enforced and I hope you realize it. Nick says that it is all done on the honor system.

Nobody at the INACHI HQ monitors and makes sure that any of those items are done. I have two very good inspector friends who belong to INACH and have not done any of those items outside of the online test and paying the fee. Now if all of that was enforced then INACHI would have the most stringent requirements.

[Scott Patterson]

Well said Scott. What is TIJ?

TIJ is Home Inspector Forums, News, Resources, Education and Events (http://www.inspectorsjournal.com/)

It is a very good discussion board that does not put up with this type of petty BS. Several posters on this board and a few others over at INACHI, ASHI and have been blocked from TIJ. Some of the best in the profession can be found over on Mikes site. Those that don't like it are the ones that have been banned from posting on it!

[Scott Patterson]

It seems ASHI SPENDS MORE MONEY CONVINCING AGENTS IN HOW GOOD THEY ARE.,It does not matter what group you belong to , it is the job you do for your clients that counts . I like InterNachi because of the courses they provide.When i first started i was told i would not get much work if i was not a ASHI member . Guess what that person is no longer a member of ASHI and is a member of InterNachi after a local chapter of ASHI chapter craped on them. Any Assocation can get to big for their britches i guess.

Hi Wayne, who is that and what chapter? I would like to see if I can help to make sure it does not happen again.

Don't forget that according to Nick, he has the largest organization. Yet, whenever you see an interview (on ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CNN, FORBES, Wall Street Journal, etc.) that has to do with purchasing a home or inspections it is always an ASHI member or the current ASHI President that is interviewed when it comes down to the home inspection. Yes, ASHI has a very good PR firm and I think that the PR budget is about 8% of the total budget. According to Nick, INACHI does not have a PR budget.

I'm glad ASHI is out marketing and doing PR for me and the profession.

[Bill Boerner]

Billy, what you have printed is true but it is not enforced and I hope you realize it. Nick says that it is all done on the honor system.

Nobody at the INACHI HQ monitors and makes sure that any of those items are done. I have two very good inspector friends who belong to INACH and have not done any of those items outside of the online test and paying the fee. Now if all of that was enforced then INACHI would have the most stringent requirements.

Agreed. However, my point is it's laid out there for the public to see on the website and Nick doesn't advertise to new recruits the fact that NACHI doesn't monitor the progress of one after he or she joins. For me I actually did what the website said I had to do because I was under the impression at the time that I would loose my certification. That's the difference between ASHI and NACHI. Atleast NACHI states you need to do some sort of training when you first join "that's key, when you first join". ASHI has a great full certification program however my point is they need to get rid of the fact that one can simply state to the public that they are a member of ASHI simply by sending in a check and filling out a form. That's a hard fact. The associate program is fine it's the initial sign up program that leads many consumers astry IMO.

[Bill Boerner]

Hi Wayne, who is that and what chapter? I would like to see if I can help to make sure it does not happen again.

Don't forget that according to Nick, he has the largest organization. Yet, whenever you see an interview (on ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CNN, FORBES, Wall Street Journal, etc.) that has to do with purchasing a home or inspections it is always an ASHI member or the current ASHI President that is interviewed when it comes down to the home inspection. Yes, ASHI has a very good PR firm and I think that the PR budget is about 8% of the total budget. According to Nick, INACHI does not have a PR budget.

I'm glad ASHI is out marketing and doing PR for me and the profession.

And that's why I'm going to join once I get back from the desert. ASHI is well known and has done a great job at helping the inspector get known in his or her community. NACHI is a great source to have for education and online message board help. I will always belong to BOTH ORGS.

[Bill Boerner]

TIJ is Home Inspector Forums, News, Resources, Education and Events (http://www.inspectorsjournal.com/)

It is a very good discussion board that does not put up with this type of petty BS. Several posters on this board and a few others over at INACHI, ASHI and have been blocked from TIJ. Some of the best in the profession can be found over on Mikes site. Those that don't like it are the ones that have been banned from posting on it!

Thanks for the info. I'll stop by and see what it's all about.

[Scott Patterson]

Agreed. However, my point is it's laid out there for the public to see on the website and Nick doesn't advertise to new recruits the fact that NACHI doesn't monitor the progress of one after he or she joins. For me I actually did what the website said I had to do because I was under the impression at the time that I would loose my certification. That's the difference between ASHI and NACHI. Atleast NACHI states you need to do some sort of training when you first join "that's key, when you first join". ASHI has a great full certification program however my point is they need to get rid of the fact that one can simply state to the public that they are a member of ASHI simply by sending in a check and filling out a form. That's a hard fact. The associate program is fine it's the initial sign up program that leads many consumers astry IMO.

Very true, but you can also join ICC the same way. You just can't advertise that you are Code Certified.

I'm all for ASHI upping their entrance requirements. I have suggested many times over the years that ASHI should require the NHIE before a person can sign up. Unfortunately the bean counters say that would cut the number of new folks who join by half. I can see that happening, but I think it would be short lived and after a year or two it would be a moot point.

[Scott Patterson]

And that's why I'm going to join once I get back from the desert. ASHI is well known and has done a great job at helping the inspector get known in his or her community. NACHI is a great source to have for education and online message board help. I will always belong to BOTH ORGS.

Let me know when you are ready, I have helped many long time INACHI members in the process.

With all of the Free education stuff that INACHI offers, ya don't have to be a member to take advantage of it! ;)

[Dan Harris]

they need to get rid of the fact that one can simply state to the public that they are a member of ASHI simply by sending in a check and filling out a form.[/COLOR][/B] That's a hard fact. The associate program is fine it's the initial sign up program that leads many consumers astry IMO.

Bill I appreciate your passion.
I see one important thing missing.
Why would ASHI change anything based on an opinion of an outsider?

ASHI members DO have a voice if they think changes will help the org, or profession, by getting involved on committees, and by voting.

[Bill Boerner]

Bill I appreciate your passion.
I see one important thing missing.
Why would ASHI change anything based on an opinion of an outsider?

ASHI members DO have a voice if they think changes will help the org, or profession, by getting involved on committees, and by voting.

I plan on joining no doubt. ASHI is a great org just like the rest. To answer your question though I can't be the first person to raise the flag on this issue. ASHI must have some reason for keeping their "initial" entry requirement. IMO, however, it's the "main" reason where ASHI got it's papermill nickname from. ASHI is highly viewed this way due to the very reason I layed out on this message board. Get rid of the sign up, pay today and tell your clients your a member of ASHI without a logo scenerio and all will be good. No way then can one call ASHI a papermill IMO.

[Bill Boerner]

Bill I appreciate your passion.
I see one important thing missing.
Why would ASHI change anything based on an opinion of an outsider?

ASHI members DO have a voice if they think changes will help the org, or profession, by getting involved on committees, and by voting.

So anything done within the org get's approved by popular member vote? I like that alot. No such thing with NACHI.

[Scott Patterson]

I plan on joining no doubt. ASHI is a great org just like the rest. To answer your question though I can't be the first person to raise the flag on this issue. ASHI must have some reason for keeping their "initial" entry requirement. IMO, however, it's the "main" reason where ASHI got it's papermill nickname from. ASHI is highly viewed this way due to the very reason I layed out on this message board. Get rid of the sign up, pay today and tell your clients your a member of ASHI without a logo scenerio and all will be good. No way then can one call ASHI a papermill IMO.

Bill, the paper mill thing came from Nick. Under a court order he can not say anything despairingly about ASHI. So he goes about in a roundabout manner.

In the eyes of the general public (folks that hire home inspectors) they could care less about membership requirements or the lack of them. It all boils down to perception and over the years ASHI has lobbied to be the one that consumers look for, and it works. Good or bad ASHI has a huge PR machine.

[Scott Patterson]

So anything done within the org get's approved by popular member vote? I like that alot. No such thing with NACHI.

All directors and officers are nominated and are voted on. Anything that requires a change in the bylaws or P&P requires a majority vote.

Nick is the emperor of INACHI, it is his to do with as he wishes. If he wanted to close the doors, or sell it to Pro-Lab he could do it.

[Ken Rowe]

You should have concerns. It's clear you nor anyone else here understands the message I'm sending out. Read closely...

A. While you was correct in your observation of NACHI you left off some information.

Within the first 10 days after becoming a certified member...
You must log in to InterNACHI's educational message board (http://www.nachi.org/loginconfusion.htm).
You must apply for a membership photo I.D. (http://www.nachi.org/sampleid.htm) (free).Within the first 30 days after becoming a certified member...
You must complete InterNACHI's online Safe Practices course (http://www.nachi.org/safety_course.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online 25 Standards Every Inspector Should Know course (http://www.nachi.org/25standardscourse.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Residential Standards of Practice course (http://www.nachi.org/intro-residential-sop-course.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.Within the first 45 days after becoming a certified member...
You must complete InterNACHI's online Plumbing course (http://www.nachi.org/plumbingcoursereleased2008.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Electrical course (http://www.nachi.org/electricalcoursereleased2006.htm) (free), including all quizzes within, and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Roofing course (http://www.nachi.org/roofingcoursereleased2005.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.Within the first 60 days after becoming a certified member...
You must complete InterNACHI's online HVAC course (http://www.nachi.org/hvaccourse.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Structural course (http://www.nachi.org/structuralcoursereleased2007.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Exterior Inspection course (http://www.nachi.org/exteriorcourse.htm) (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.Within the first 90 days after becoming a certified member...
You must complete InterNACHI's online Deck Inspections course (http://www.nachi.org/deck-inspections-course.htm) (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.
You must complete InterNACHI's online Moisture Intrusion Inspection course (http://www.nachi.org/moisturecourse.htm) (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.So let's take a closer look. Bottom line is when people call in my area for a home inspection most could care less about our little associations. However in my area you have those realtors who insist on leading their clients to believe that only a ASHI inspector is qualified enough to do the job. Sad but true. So here's the facts.

Fact 1: The phone call. Question posed by potential client on occation. "Do you belong to ASHI?" Now here's the problem. I can simply send in a check and fill out a form and once accepted without any type of online, in class, on site ed or any thing I can answer my potential client with one simple word.

"Yes"

9 times out of ten that ends it there. These people simply assume your automatically certified. Your not lying. They didn't ask you if your certified. Most ask "do you belong". Legally I can say yes.

Fact 2: Legally I can't say I belong to NACHI until I pass a online test which is much like the national exam most states uses for license requirements. Yes I agree I can sit at home and look up answers however since the test is "TIMED" that's very hard to do.

Fact 3: You cannot become a "Certified Master Inspector" simply by having enough credits. Yes it appears that way however you must have done 1000 paid inspections or 500 paid inspections and CE equivilant to match 1000 paid inspections if that made any sense.

As professional home inspectors it's our duty to give the public straight facts and to me quality, integrity and sound ethics is what I build my company with and before any of you spout anymore nonsense make sure to do your homework and speak with all the facts. Your not helping anyone by giving out half ass information.

As for Nick... Yes he's been sued on a number of occations and he's laid lawsuits on a number of people for various reasons. Bottom line is NACHI is a solid organization with good people who are very knowledable and I sincerely feel that ASHI is the same way. Both orgs are good organizations. Either one would be a good choice.


Oh, I understand it completely. My issue is with the term "Certified Inspector". By taking a few online tests and paying the fees one can be a "Certified Inspector" in the eyes of InterNachi, with no follow up by the association to verify any of the other requirements are completed.

To become a Certified Inspector in the eyes of ASHI you must complete their online test, provide documentation of 250 fee paid inspections, and pass the National Home Inspectors Exam.

[Raymond Wand]

.... and it only takes 30 seconds! :D

[Nick Ostrowski]

Unfortunately, some home buyers read an article about how to choose a home inspector and somehow get locked in on hiring a certified home inspector. Ask them what certified means in regard to home inspectors and I guarantee you'll hear silence on the other end of the phone.

The term certified as far as our profession goes is hollow and really means nothing.

[Raymond Wand]

Not according to you know who. That was the whole premise behind CMI and CHI and everything else certifiable in the Nachi stable.

[Dan Harris]

With all of the Free education stuff that INACHI offers, ya don't have to be a member to take advantage of it! ;)

Now thats not playing fair.
NIck stated that he offers free education to lure newbys in, so he can get them for $2-3000 before they go out of business :D

[Dan Harris]

Marc M.
Out of all these replies, did anybody answer your question? :)

[Ted Menelly]

I have taken 3 different home inspector school courses, all of NACHIS courses or on line test,, the National Home Inspectors Exam, Another school course (approved by Texas when I got here), proctored tests, non proctored test, the final TREC exam at the end of that approved Texas course for home inspectors and countless hours for yearly hours needed (whether needed or not).

Not one bit of it was any different than the any other. None, not one bit any different. Same type of questions, different school/on line course/association etc Same stuff different day. Period. Nothing different. Just more home inspection questions and answers. What is the big damn deal. Oh ... I get it ... the world is comprised of cheaters and everyone has someone else sitting there doing the online test while you watch star trec. I do not freekin think so.

What is the difference with an open book contractors test or an open book ICC test or an online test or a proctored home inspection exam. Same stuff, different day. This is not brain surgery

What is all this endless crap that their poop doesn't stink and theirs does. I have absolutely no understanding what so ever what all this endless back and forth garbage is constantly all about. I remember decades ago when CB radios were popular and there were actually CB clubs. I went to one of those meetings and laughed the entire time with all there technical call to meeting crap. Instead of a bunch of guys getting together for a few drinks it turned into some unbelievable bull session and this one talking about that one and his was bigger than the other guys and mine is more powerful than yours.

If one likes an association then state so. If one does not think highly of another org .... so what. Mention yours and move on.

Personally I don't know Nick from squat and I am sure I never will. I do find all the on line stuff great. I just don't care for organizations and a handful of people (just like the state of Texas) dictating what and how things should be. The only reason it ever goes certain ways is because those particular folks in charge at the time think a certain way and that is the way the drift goes because they have some inner God driven need and desire to be in charge of something and be an authority figure and the head of the gang.

I never much liked gangs . I met many and they are no different than what I see on here when all this Association garbage comes up.

Why am I participating, you may ask.

I have an X from 25 years ago that I still hear crap from in a round about way. The last thing I want to talk about is the details to he said she said, he did she did, he didn't do she didn't do.. What an endless bunch of crap.

I like NACHIs goods. I like ASHIs standards as well. Belong to either? Other than the local chapter I see nothing that draws me to become a member or belong to either. I am still up in the air after 5 years about local Associations. One put a bad taste in my mouth from the get go. The other I never heard much about until the past year and all seems pretty good so far. I am probably going in that direction. If for some reason they want me to prove myself to them after inspecting all my life then I probably will not go in that direction either. If it is a come on in and get together with fellow inspectors and we have great meetings and the state hourly requirements are set with different classes all year long then I'll probably still go in that direction. I proved myself to the state licensing and continuing ed. Thats the only proving I need to do my job. Send a list of 250 reports off so they can pick 5 to look over them and tell me what and pass a judgment on me .... for what reason I would want that I do not know. I am judged every day I go to work.

Thats my rant. No nya nya stuff ... just an opinion. Man do I hate nya nya

[Scott Patterson]

Ted, you forgot to add; Have a nice day!

[Ted Menelly]

Ted, you forgot to add; Have a nice day!


OOOOPs


Sorry :p

[Bob Elliott]

Unfortunately, some home buyers read an article about how to choose a home inspector and somehow get locked in on hiring a certified home inspector. Ask them what certified means in regard to home inspectors and I guarantee you'll hear silence on the other end of the phone.

The term certified as far as our profession goes is hollow and really means nothing.

The most realistic statement I have heard on this subject.

It is fun to argue the points ,but in the end it is up to us as individuals to succeed.

[Dan Harris]

That is 24 States and soon to be 25 once Florida starts their license program in 2010.

Ahhh, after all his hard work in Fla. at the licensing meetings a few weeks ago that must be the
" Big good news about Florida and InterNACHI coming out any day now! "
that nick had planned to tell his members on his 11/2 post :D

[Mitchell Toelle]

I'm looking for an Org to join, and I just wasnt sure. I hear a lot of negitives with that Org. and want to make a wise choice. They do however, have some pretty cool information over there. I also like ASHI.

I know it sounds cool to post your location as "Left Coast" but your city or county would be better for some of us to get to know you, and for thread discussion purposes. In this case you could be directed to the local CREIA or ASHI chapter and location of meetings. Hope you find something. BTW, as has already been said, CREIA and ASHI are your best source here in Calif. and you will be sure to find many members willing to help you out.

[Michael Carson]

I am a member of NAHI, pretty happy so far. They had problems there for a little bit. Lately things are much better and have added webinar training for CME's etc. My opinion is that if you are looking into associations to join, NAHI is worth a second look.

Have a Great Day :)

[Lisa Endza]

Scott, we at InterNACHI were all thrilled this morning to learn that you've publicly admitted that the reason ASHI has no entrance requirements is so that ASHI can enrich itself by doubling the number of unqualified newbies ASHI dumps on unsuspecting consumers. Thank you. Your quote should be required reading for every consumer and realtor in North America.

Scott Patterson admits in November 2009 on Inspectionnews.net:


I'm all for ASHI upping their entrance requirements. I have suggested many times over the years that ASHI should require the NHIE before a person can sign up. Unfortunately the bean counters say that would cut the number of new folks who join by half.

[Dan Harris]

Scott, we at InterNACHI were all thrilled this morning to learn that you've publicly admitted that the reason ASHI has no entrance requirements is so that ASHI can enrich itself by doubling the number of unqualified newbies ASHI dumps on unsuspecting consumers. Thank you. Your quote should be required reading for every consumer and realtor in North America.

Scott Patterson admits in November 2009 on Inspectionnews.net:

Hey Nick.
How is Scotts quote, his personal opinion, like a long time member of your org's quote, [On 11/22/2009] any different addressing the same topic.

Partial Quote:
Just to give you a clue read the list.

1. Membership would really drop if everything was verified.
2. Nachi is Nick. Nothing gets done here unless it has Nicks approval.
3. There is no accountability to the membership for anything that's done at NACHI.
end Quote]

[Raymond Wand]

ASHI's admits that money is the reason ASHI has no entrance requirements. - InterNACHI Message Board (http://www.nachi.org/forum/f14/american-society-home-inspectorss-admits-money-reason-american-society-home-inspectors-has-no-entrance-requirements-45363/)

Wow. Nick are you sure about this? Here you are making baseless statements again, having just recently having sent your Communications Director here to correct your previous legal issues vis-a-vis ASHI and NAHI.

[Scott Patterson]

Scott, we at InterNACHI were all thrilled this morning to learn that you've publicly admitted that the reason ASHI has no entrance requirements is so that ASHI can enrich itself by doubling the number of unqualified newbies ASHI dumps on unsuspecting consumers. Thank you. Your quote should be required reading for every consumer and realtor in North America.

Scott Patterson admits in November 2009 on Inspectionnews.net:

Hi Lisa,

I'm no longer on any ASHI committee or do I have anything to do ASHI other than just being a member for about the past two years. I'm not an ASHI "Big Wig" as Nick claims. I have not admitted to anything like you claim. I do not speak for ASHI, I only speak for myself. I have voiced my opinion.

Yes, I would like to see ASHI, INACHI, NAHI, CREAI and every other home inspector organization require the NHIE before a person could join. It would be the best thing for our profession.

Yes, it is common sense (you do know what that is I hope!) that if you increase requirements for anything you will reduce the amount of participation. This is why Nick has made it so easy to become a Certifed Home Inspector and the listed requirements are never enforced. He knows that if he required the NHIE he would have a major loss of members in his organization. This is why he continues to use the unproctored backroom made test that is not recognized by any state licensing authority as an equal to the NHIE.

ASHI is not responsible for dumping unqualified newbies anymore than INACHI is, all of the home inspector associations are guilty of it!

[Raymond Wand]

Scott wrote:
ASHI is not responsible for dumping unqualified newbies anymore than INACHI is, all of the home inspector associations are guilty of it!

Why not stick both feet into your mouth? That statement has no relevance to ASHI! I am insulted you would even state that as an ASHI member!

[Dan Harris]

Yes, I would like to see ASHI, INACHI, NAHI, CREAI and every other home inspector organization require the NHIE before a person could join. It would be the best thing for our profession.

This is why Nick has made it so easy to become a Certifed Home Inspector and the listed requirements are never enforced. He knows that if he required the NHIE he would have a major loss of members in his organization. This is why he continues to use the unproctored backroom made test that is not recognized by any state licensing authority as an equal to the NHIE.


I don't think we will see ole nicko accept the NHIE for his org.
He knows many of his members that are not in a Lic. state could not pass it, and the ones that could, would not waste their $s on his non verified wannta -be certificiation. :D D:

[Ted Menelly]

Scott, we at InterNACHI were all thrilled this morning to learn that you've publicly admitted that the reason ASHI has no entrance requirements is so that ASHI can enrich itself by doubling the number of unqualified newbies ASHI dumps on unsuspecting consumers. Thank you. Your quote should be required reading for every consumer and realtor in North America.

Scott Patterson admits in November 2009 on Inspectionnews.net:

Lisa

You are kidding me right.

What the hell is going on in organizations lately. I cannot believe you or anyone in a national organization would act or respond in such a manner publicly to anything of the like.

Why has everything become so freekin nya nya. Why are professionals acting in such a manner. On another note I cannot believe how a few on here are waiting for such comments from anyone on your side of the fence to make any comment what so ever so they can pounce and insult and the freekin nya nya that goes with it. I am curious on how old many of you are. Personally I cannot remember acting in such a way and I can remember back to when I was 2 visiting my dying brother in the hospital back in 56.

The blatant dropping of NACHI news in multiple threads the other day was about as unprofessional as this last load of crap. I suggest you go talk to (and everyone else for that matter) your councilor to find out what life is really all about.

Look what you did dam it. You got me on the attack from just popping in to see what folks were still talking about on the thread. I was going to comment that you were acting like children but then that would put my children in the mix. They are all in their thirties and mega professionals. They also never acted like what I see on here. There friends never acted like what goes on in this thread and others.

I would say you and some others need a spanking. One or two things on that.

You may like it too much and then have more to whine and cry about and have temper tantrums about. It will give you folks more to go back and forth with. You know ... we have terrorists out there that have the same mentality as some of you folks. You cannot see past your own brain cells and have no clue or even care what the outside worlds feels about such actions. Most of us do not live in 2000 year old mentalities. Mosty of us have joined the modern era. They say criminals have this little deal on top of there brain stem that compared to other non criminals is extremely tiny. They do not have the understanding about anything affecting anyone around them. That is why they can stick a 9 milimeter in someones face and pull the trigger and then go home and play with their kids and have dinner like nothing was suppose to be wrong with what they did.

This is the absolute epitome why I do not belong to an organization right now. Over and over and over the years everytime I started to get involved in any organization all the nya nya's came forth and I put an abrupt end to it. I do not have the stomach for it.

You want to recruit anyone into your organizatiuon ????? I suggest you drop out and they put a professional in there to handle it. Yes I have seen comments that are made from time to time from the leaders of your Org and others..... Freeking shameless ... or is the ... Full of shame.

Shame on you and everyone else like you and your actions.

You want to advertise on here then pay for the advertisement instead of shameless postings. I have grown to respect some of the folks on here that belong to your Association. Don't shame them anymore by your contributions. Have you noticed that almost all of the NACHI members on here have kept there mouth shut or some just added some positive notes. Don't shame them in rethinking that they made a mistake by joining your association.

You as a professional (??????) should apologize to everyone on this board and all the members of NACHI especially.

As for the rest of you in the boxing match with here .... why ??????

I just don't get it.

[Lisa Endza]

Ted, post chronology matters.

I notice you waited in silence while InterNACHI took cheap shot after cheap shot, and only decided to play referee when I swung back. So much for chivalry. I must have thrown a knock out punch.

Scott Patterson is very correct. ASHI needs to adopt some entrance requirements, and not just the beginners exam (NHIE) used by many states to license newbies fresh out of school.

[Dan Harris]

Lisa

You are kidding me right.

What the hell is going on in organizations lately. I cannot believe you or anyone in a national organization would act or respond in such a manner publicly to anything of the like.

The blatant dropping of NACHI news in multiple threads the other day was about as unprofessional as this last load of crap.

Look what you did dam it. You got me on the attack from just popping in to see what folks were still talking about on the thread. I was going to comment that you were acting like children but then that would put my children in the mix. They are all in their thirties and mega professionals. They also never acted like what I see on here.

I would say you and some others need a spanking.

You may like it too much and then have more to whine and cry about and have temper tantrums about. It will give you folks more to go back and forth with. You know ... we have terrorists out there that have the same mentality as some of you folks. You cannot see past your own brain cells and have no clue or even care what the outside worlds feels about such actions. Most of us do not live in 2000 year old mentalities.



You want to recruit anyone into your organizatiuon ????? I suggest you drop out and they put a professional in there to handle it. Yes I have seen comments that are made from time to time from the leaders of your Org and others..... Freeking shameless ... or is the ... Full of shame.

Shame on you and everyone else like you and your actions.

You want to advertise on here then pay for the advertisement instead of shameless postings. I have grown to respect some of the folks on here that belong to your Association. Don't shame them anymore by your contributions. Have you noticed that almost all of the NACHI members on here have kept there mouth shut or some just added some positive notes. Don't shame them in rethinking that they made a mistake by joining your association.

You as a professional (??????) should apologize to everyone on this board and all the members of NACHI especially.

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LOL Ted. give em a cyber world spanking :D
Maybe this board should be sensored, like nicks board is against a certain few.
I vote for you to be the appointed Inspection News B B sensor of nick and his puppets posts. :D

[Raymond Wand]

I don't know how you can claim Nachi's greatness considering how it is managed. The building blocks of a professional association just aren't there and you can spin and spin and spin any way you want Lisa, but at the end of the day until such time Nachi has a set of published bylaws, voting, functional Ethics committee, financial accountability, policy manual, and a accurate membership list, it remains as Nick has always maintained - a marketing club.

The ownership of Nachi is not open to outside review and as such this important fact calls into question the whole gambit of what is going on behind closed doors. Lack of leadership and professionalism are not the watch words in Nicks vocabulary, he has surrounded himself with yes people who simply follow along without question.

A disgraced Nachi member. :D

[Dan Harris]

Scott Patterson is very correct. ASHI needs to adopt some entrance requirements, and not just the beginners exam (NHIE) used by many states to license newbies fresh out of school.

A few months ago you came here and tried to the the owner of this board how to operate his business.
Now many of your members are coming here to get the free web exposure.
Maybe you should hire Brian, and find out to run a professional HI chat board :)

Why not be concerned about your own org's non existant, non verified requirements, as documented by many of your current, and ex members, instead of telling some one else, or another HI org how they should do business.
If nacho was the great org you claim it is, every inspector would be begging to join. Instead many of your own members are embarresed to say they belong to nachi.
Heck many of them post ASHI info on their web sites, and refuse to post the nachi logo on their web site, and only do after being forced too, under the threat they will removed from nachi if they don't.

Also proud to be an ex nacho member. :D

[Raymond Wand]

There is also a well found concern about this CMI that was marketed to Canadians which under closer scrutiny turns out to be what can only be termed a fraud. There have been no police background checks, no audits, and at least two people rec'd their CMI gratis no questions, and one look at the make up of the CMI board will explain a lot.

Care to comment Lisa or Nick?

[Lisa Endza]

I don't work for the Master Inspector Certification Board (http://www.certifiedmasterinspector.org), so I can't help you with that one Ray. You have to have been in business for 3 years and completed 1,000 inspections I think, but I'm not sure. I work for InterNACHI only.

[Raymond Wand]

Thats strange. Nick is listed as president of CMI. Are you telling me Nick is not co-mingling Nachi business with CMI through your role as Communications Director?

And when did Nick move to Idaho?

Quite a whose who in the Nachi establishment, wouldn't you say?

Also did you know that a Canadian Trademark awarded (http://www.certifiedmasterinspector.org/cmi/cantrademark.html)
Is very questionable given what the CMI board under Nicks direction as president are representing that the Trademark bestows some form of legitimacy it does not considering the questionable nature as to CMI being marketed in Canada.



Master Inspector Certification Board, Inc.:
1750 30th Street, Suite 300
Boulder, CO 80301
contact@certifiedmasterinspector.org (contact@certifiedmasterinspector.org)

Executive Director:
John McKenna
Texas
info@texas-inspection.com

President:
Nick Gromicko
Idaho
nick.gromicko@nachi.org

Education Director:
Gerry Beaumont
Florida
encoga@hotmail.com

Ethics Director:
Joe Farsetta
New York
info@hitinteractivemedia.com (info@hitinteractivemedia.com)

Corporate Counsel:
Mark S. Cohen, Esq.
Cohen Horner, LLP
Colorado
mark@cohenhorner.com

IT Director:
Chris Morrell
Massachussettes
contact@certifiedmasterinspector.org (contact@certifiedmasterinspector.org)

Advisory Board:
Paul W. Abernathy,CME,RMS,CMI www.electricalseminars.net (http://www.electricalseminars.net/), VA: info@electrical-ess.com
Gerry Beaumont, Gerry Beaumont Consulting, FL: encoga@hotmail.com
Robert Brown, Certified Adult Training Services (http://aciss.biz/), ON: bob@aciss.biz (bob@aciss.biz)
Joe Farsetta, H.I.T. Interactive (http://www.hitinteractivemedia.com/), NY: info@hitinteractivemedia.com (info@hitinteractivemedia.com)
Nick Gromicko, NACHI (http://www.nachi.org/), CO: contact@certifiedmasterinspector.org
Steve Jawitz, PE, All Building Inspections (http://www.allbuildinginspection.com/), FL: SJawitz@allbuildinginspection.com
Bill Merrell, Merrell Institute (http://www.merrellinstitute.com/), NY: bcm@doctor.com (bcm@doctor.com)
Chris Morrell, Master Inspector Certification Board (http://certifiedmasterinspector.org/), MA: contact@certifiedmasterinspector.org (contact@certifiedmasterinspector.org)
John Onofrey, Top 2 Bottom Real Estate Inspectors (http://www.texasinspectors.net/), TX: john.onofrey@texasinspectors.net
George Wells, Best Inspectors Network (http://www.bestinspectors.net/), OH: cmi@bestinspectors.net (cmi@bestinspectors.net)

[Lisa Endza]

As I explained Ray, I don't work for the Master Inspector Certification Board (http://www.certifiedmasterinspector.org) and I never have. It is a separate entity that uses ASHI's Standards of Practice as one of the approved Standards I think. But I don't really know. I know it is full of ASHI inspectors. It is a separate organization that administers the Federal Certification Mark Certified Master Inspector but I didn't know it was registered in Canada until you told me just now.

[Billy Stephens]

As I explained Ray, I don't work for the Master Inspector Certification Board (http://www.certifiedmasterinspector.org) and I never have. It is a separate entity that uses ASHI's Standards of Practice as one of the approved Standards I think. But I don't really know. I know it is full of ASHI inspectors. It is a separate organization that administers the Federal Certification Mark Certified Master Inspector but I didn't know it was registered in Canada until you told me just now.
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:confused:......:rolleyes:
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[Ken Rowe]

ASHI needs to adopt some entrance requirements, and not just the beginners exam (NHIE) used by many states to license newbies fresh out of school.


As I explained Ray, I don't work for the Master Inspector Certification Board and I never have. It is a separate entity that uses ASHI's Standards of Practice as one of the approved Standards I think. But I don't really know. I know it is full of ASHI inspectors.


LOL, you're bashing ASHI for using the same exam used by many states for licensing, yet InterNachi doesn't even do that. Plus an arm of InterNachi uses the ASHI Standard of Practice. That's too funny.

On another note, I haven't seen any ASHI employees trolling forums to degrade InterNachi. But then again I'm too busy doing inspections as an ASHI Certified Inspector to spend much time on forums.

[Lisa Endza]

Ken, if you feel that pointing out that ASHI has zero entrance requirements is "degrading" to ASHI, perhaps ASHI should adopt some. Feel free to use ours Become a certified inspector! Join InterNACHI today. - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/membership.htm)

[Raymond Wand]

Lisa

How much is Nick paying you to promote the stuff you do as true? The facts do not back up what you or Nick keep trying to convey.

[Darren Miller]

Hey Lisa,

You still haven't answered my question from 8/12:

"Lisa, as director of communications for NACHI, what is your response to this quote from Mr. Nick?

"I and InterNACHI are in complete agreement that non-members should die and go to hell."

Inquiring minds want to know....."

[Dan Harris]

Ken, if you feel that pointing out that ASHI has zero entrance requirements is "degrading" to ASHI, perhaps ASHI should adopt some. Feel free to use ours Become a certified inspector! Join InterNACHI today. - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/membership.htm)


Your advertizing to the wrong people.
On 2nd thought, maybe your are advertizing to the right people. Where else can inspectors, realtors, home buyers, and professional HI venders go, and see in your own words what non and ex members have been saying, is true about nachi.
Then they can make an informed decision if they want to be assoiciated with, refer, or use the service's offered by the members of your Home Inspection Org.

ASHI membership degrading? The way it's looks the only people that thinks it degrading is the competion that's getting creamed by professionals acting like professionals.
With all this board offers it's members for FREE, I sure don't see any reason why members of this board would want to join, or have anything to do with your org. Unless they want to pay $289. to be a part of the childish BS, lawsuits, and name calling that only nachi/nick offers to do for it's members.


LOL .... Use your certificiation process :D

Before you brag about and tell every one else about your certificiation process, maybe nick should go to nocco, and find out how his org and his CMI board can also be certified by an independent 3rd party.
I'm sure nachi members would also like to have access to the millions of other professionals that are certified by the same association.

I hope nick pays you overtime for marketing your org , at 11PM, for free on this site.

An ex nacho member that's proud to be a non-member that nick and his members believe/ support should die and go to hell,
called a scumbag, dumb and stupid by nick, comments also supported , and promoted to the public, by his members, on his open to the public site :D

[Marc M]

Marc M.
Out of all these replies, did anybody answer your question? :)

Yeah, kinda. Just taking it all in...

[Marc M]

I know it sounds cool to post your location as "Left Coast" but your city or county would be better for some of us to get to know you, and for thread discussion purposes. In this case you could be directed to the local CREIA or ASHI chapter and location of meetings. Hope you find something. BTW, as has already been said, CREIA and ASHI are your best source here in Calif. and you will be sure to find many members willing to help you out.

Dont be such a baby. Ya know, up until now I have never had an issue with anyone on this site. So far you're the only one to complain about my city's description, so dont look at it if it bothers you.

[Ken Rowe]

Ken, if you feel that pointing out that ASHI has zero entrance requirements is "degrading" to ASHI, perhaps ASHI should adopt some. Feel free to use ours Become a certified inspector! Join InterNACHI today. - InterNACHI


Wow, you just don't get it. Sure ASHI does not have entry requirements, just like most associations. I'm a member of a local Realtor Association, but I'm not a Realtor. However, ASHI does have stringent requirements for one to become a Certified Inspector, with true third party certification verification unlike InterNachi. With InterNachi I sign up online, send in a check and take a couple online tests and become a Certified Inspector within an hour. That can't happen with ASHI. ASHI may not regulate their candidate members, but they do regulate their certified inspectors. They don't just hand out certifications like InterNachi.

[Robert Jones]

Is Lisa slicko's sister? I think it's great that she continues to post on this forum and make a fool of herself and the lack of entry requirements into nachi. I mean, are you really proud that an ONLINE exam is the certification of choice for nachi? An ONLINE exam that anyone can take for anyone. So easy to do a search and see how unprofessional that supposed org is. The owner is a snake that has a knack of being able to sell snake oil to the new and unknowing. Then try and spin everything when confronted. I wonder if the the owner of nachi still has that unpaid fine in Pennsylvania?

Rob

[Raymond Wand]

Nachi just published a link because there are now "supposedly" 500 members of Nachi in Ontario. The only problem is when you follow the link you have to be a member to see the list! You can't find a full membership list for Ontario, because there aren't 500 members!

http://www.nachi.org/nachi-stats.htm

[Dan Harris]

I wonder if the the owner of nachi still has that unpaid fine in Pennsylvania?

Rob

The last I heard nicho stated that it was someone else, and it didn't have anything to do with him.
He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time . :D

[Dan Harris]

Nachi just published a link because there are now "supposedly" 500 members of Nachi in Ontario. The only problem is when you follow the link you have to be a member to see the list! You can't find a full membership list for Ontario, because there aren't 500 members!

http://www.nachi.org/nachi-stats.htm

Ahh Ray, you know better than that. :)
They, like the other unnamed tens of thousands in 30 countries are just invisible. :D

[Dan Harris]

Ken, if you feel that pointing out that ASHI has zero entrance requirements is "degrading" to ASHI, perhaps ASHI should adopt some. Feel free to use ours Become a certified inspector! Join InterNACHI today. - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/membership.htm)

Happy Thanksgiving.

Now for a little humor for the day.

NHIE Deterence From Licensing - InterNACHI Message Board (http://www.nachi.org/forum/f14/nhie-deterence-licensing-45438/#post587653)
Looks like life is tough for some of ole nicks certified on this day that everyone should be thankful for what they have. :)

Nickos " certified elete " cannot pass the NHIE it after taking it 6 times.
I don't believe ASHI will change their " Degrading " certificiation requirements and start adopting nicks online exam and requirements for instant on-line certificiation, anytime soon. :D

[Robert Jones]

How ironic is that? That silly little online exam that "certifies" their members is a joke. 6 times on the NHIE? And one guy claiming it's ASHI and the government's fault! What a joke.


Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

[Ken Rowe]

Actually he stated he's failed in 6 times.
I especially like the post,
"This is how government (ASHI) wants control, and they are getting it in states that require the NHIE. It is a virus that is getting out of hand. If you are not "their" member, they can say and test whatever they want. I hear most questions do not have anyting to do with an inspection at all, and are over and above SOP's. You know the drill. "I didn't realize that ASHI was a government agency...lol. Some of these guys don't seem too bright.

[Billy Stephens]

.
Let's See at a $195.00 a Throw X 6 ( it was all a Conspiracy against Me ) is a chunk of change. :eek:
.
Martha I'm a gonna Pass This Time. :D
* no need to Study this Stuff I All Ready Know It All they just keep switching them questions around and won't tell which ones they Claim I Missed. :mad:
.

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[Raymond Wand]

This morning, during a conversation, Nick asked me personally if we couly possibly consider allowing ********** back into NACHI.

I opposed it for past acts which will not be repeated here. Nick assured me that ****** will help to keep ****** in good standing. Roy has been allowed back, conditionally, providing that past acts remain past acts.

This is something that Nick has lobbied long and hard for. If one thing has been learned here is that ESOP's rules and enforcement remain absolute. No one in this organization, and I mean NO ONE (including Nick) was able to bring ****** back. The decision rested solely with me, who will undoubtedly face some dissapointed committee members. ESOP unjustly put up with its share of nonsense and personal attacks.

So why did I have a change of heart? For three reasons: 1) once we told ***** to get out and stay off this board, he did. 2) the most viscious of the attacks levied against committee members were levied by another ex-member who will continue to be personna-non-grata, and 3) engagement and anti-NACHI attacks by this same individual continue to his detrement on another message board, though Mr. Cooke has refrained from commenting.

Only time will tell whether ****** has had a change of heart. But, be certain that individuals involved in the fray, and who have a vested interested in ******* successful or unsuccessful to return to the fold, will certainly be watching with a careful eye.

While hope springs eternal that the past is TRULY the past, make no mistake that should anyone fall off the "wagon", for any reason... enforcement will be re-established aqnd the honeymoon will be over in a flash.

The conditions are on *******, not ESOP or its members. I wish him success. Being that the Christmas and Chanukah seasons are upon us, I felt that this was a good opportunity to show that ESOP and its members are willing to cut folks some slack, and turn the other cheek... providing they dont get smacked in the process.
Hey Joe, how come you don't remove yourself you have fallen off your wagon several times. :D

Attacks against Nachi to my deteriment? Thats bull Joe considering your involvement in a fraudulent designation and coming up here to Canada where you purposely and knowingly taught falsities about well inspections.

Yup Joe the only detriment to anyone is having you as a friend and a fraud artist you hot head. Who cares what your dictates are you've always been full of yourself. :p

Control freak!

[Robert Jones]

Since my posts are always moderated at iachi, I will post my opinion here. Mike O'Handley posted a well written thought concerning the NHIE on that joke of a message board and here is how the head snake oil salesman spun it;

"Mike O'Handley hammers ASHI:
Quote:
"The NHIE is a test of the most elementary knowledge one should have in order to be able to do this job with borderline competency. It's not meant to be the benchmark of a superlative inspector, a really good inspector or even a good inspector; it's meant as a gage of basic competency. Think of it as a starting point from which you can build on., kind of the way the GED is a gage of basic high school equivalency."

For those of you unfamiliar with ASHI, ASHI is a diploma mill that uses the NHIE beginners exam as a basis to award their highest "certified" membership designation."

Is he really that stupid? Did I really need to even ask that question? I am shocked that the majority of that membership hasn't left his ridiculous organization yet. How embarrasing to be associated with an idiot like that. Last I checked, the iachi "test" is an online exam that anyone could take and pass for anyone.

[Raymond Wand]

Consider him another bag-o-wind. :D

[Lisa Endza]

Ray, thanks for questioning the number of members we have in Ontario when you write
InterNACHI just published a link because there are now "supposedly" 500 members of InterNACHI in Ontario. The only problem is when you follow the link you have to be a member to see the list! You can't find a full membership list for Ontario, because there aren't 500 members!Here is the full list of visible Ontario members: Ontario Certified Inspectors (home, radon, WDO, etc inspectors) - Find an Inspector - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/ON) Please feel free to count them for yourself. I believe there are 502 InterNACHI members in Ontario.

[Lisa Endza]

Darren asks
Hey Lisa,

You still haven't answered my question from 8/12:

"Lisa, as director of communications for NACHI, what is your response to this quote from Mr. Nick?

"I and InterNACHI are in complete agreement that non-members should die and go to hell."

Inquiring minds want to know....."

Nick shouldn't have said that.

[Raymond Wand]

Thanks,

There are many listed at the link with websites that do not work, and there is no way to verify any of the names listed. Therefore the accuracy is not substantiated.

In Ontario the Corporations Act states that any member of the public can go to the head office of the corporation and see the membership list. Where is the head office in Ontario for InterNachi as I would like to come look at the complete membership list as per the Corporations Act.

Thank you.

[Raymond Wand]

Lisa

Nick was misquoted, he actually said.

"I and InterNACHI are in complete agreement that non-member "scum-bags" should die and go to hell." ;) :D

[Lisa Endza]

Ray incorrectly notes
There are many listed at the link with websites that do not work I disagree. There are not many who have listed a non-working website. Nevertheless, InterNACHI does not have any control over the accuracy of member's listed contact information. Only members can update their contact information on our 4,500 sites from InterNACHI's member-controlled profile editor. - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/profileintro) .

As for our up-to-date membership list, InterNACHI does not use obscure search functions that only permit undefined geographic region searches to hide our actual numbers. We allow everyone to search and count our entire membership list alphabetically Featured Inspectors - Int'l Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI) (http://www.nachi.org/memberlist) , by city or postal code North American Directory of Inspectors - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/directories) and by state/province by scrolling down to the bottom of our homepage International Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI) (http://www.nachi.org)

Feel free to view and count them from Canada or any other place on earth.

[Bob Elliott]

Ray incorrectly notes I disagree. There are not many who have listed a non-working website. Nevertheless, InterNACHI does not have any control over the accuracy of member's listed contact information. Only members can update their contact information on our 4,500 sites from InterNACHI's member-controlled profile editor. - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/profileintro) .

As for our up-to-date membership list, InterNACHI does not use obscure search functions that only permit undefined geographic region searches to hide our actual numbers. We allow everyone to search and count our entire membership list alphabetically Featured Inspectors - Int'l Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI) (http://www.nachi.org/memberlist) , by city or postal code North American Directory of Inspectors - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/directories) and by state/province by scrolling down to the bottom of our homepage International Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI) (http://www.nachi.org)

Lisa
Do the other Orgs: such as NAHI and ASHI also have a public roll call ?
It seems like everything they do is hidden or secret while NACHI is so open to all.

I would not want to belong to any association that is afraid to even let others see their dead Forums,

[Raymond Wand]

Many do not have websites.

Canadian Provinces (North American Directory) when checked comes up with this:

New Brunswick Certified Home Inspectors

We're in the process of improving our list of home inspectors in New Brunswick. In the meantime, please visit the InterNACHI New Brunswick Home Inspectors directory.

Why would non member edit their profile given they are no longer members. Nick has a history of not removing expired memberships.

Where is head office in Ontario for InterNachi as required under the Corporations Act. I would like to see the membership list for Ontario.

Thanks.

[Lisa Endza]

Ray, I don't deny Nick said it or something like it. He should not have been so forthright about his feelings. I guess that is why InterNACHI has a full-time Communications Director. :)

[Raymond Wand]

Well thanks Lisa, now we are getting somewhere! :)

[Dan Harris]

Is he really that stupid? Did I really need to even ask that question? I am shocked that the majority of that membership hasn't left his ridiculous organization yet. How embarrasing to be associated with an idiot like that. Last I checked, the iachi "test" is an online exam that anyone could take and pass for anyone.

Yep. For $289 he will do anything, including market an inspector that failed the NHIE 6 times, [the same exam that he claims is a beginners exam] to the public as a Certified Home Inspector.
For an additional couple hundered bucks, he will market that same inspector to the public as a "Certified Master Inspector" with out requiring him passing any exam.

Who said licensing doesn't solve anything :D

[Lisa Endza]

Nick has a history of not removing expired memberships. About 4 years ago InterNACHI implemented a computer system whereby every member who fails to timely renew begins to have their membership benefits (http://www.nachi.org/benefits.htm) automatically taken away. This deterioration in benefits begins to occur on the due date of their renewal and continues until they are completely deleted as a member upon their 60th day in arrears.

[Raymond Wand]

Why would anyone pay $289 only to be subjected to rants of a scum bag like Joe who has shown that the ESOP has no ethical guidelines but based on decisions that are made on the fly dependent of course whether Joe's liquor bottle is half empty or half full? :D :eek:

[Lisa Endza]

Although I am InterNACHI's Communication Director, my job description explicitly prohibits me from speaking on behalf of our Ethics and Standards Committee or local chapters. They release their own statements.

[Dan Harris]

Although I am InterNACHI's Communication Director, my job description explicitly prohibits me from speaking on behalf of our Ethics and Standards Committee or local chapters. They release their own statements.

If your the Internachi communiciation director maybe you can answer these questions.
Why don't we see any posts asking what should one study to pass the nachi on-line quiz?
Why does the nachi on-line quiz for nachi certificiation have radon questions, when radon is not part of the SOPs?

Why are nachi certified inspectors opposed to proving that they are not criminals, provide proof they have basic HI training and report writing knoweldge, and taking a closed book exam that is required for state licensing?

[Bob Elliott]

If your the Internachi communiciation director maybe you can answer these questions.
Why don't we see any posts asking what should one study to pass the nachi on-line quiz?
Why does the nachi on-line quiz for nachi certificiation have radon questions, when radon is not part of the SOPs?

Why are nachi certified inspectors opposed to proving that they are not criminals, provide proof they have basic HI training and report writing knoweldge, and taking a closed book exam that is required for state licensing?

In Illinois as in more and more States ,those requirements are fulfilled in obtaining a Home Inspection license.

So that is all empty rhetoric.

At least NACHI requires some kind of test rather than just a check or money order.

Why a non member would be obsessed with how another association runs it's business is beyond me and makes me wonder if boredom from lack of work has set in.

The only reason I can think of is that one either is trying to help improve things before joining which makes no sense as you you join us first or you are afraid all the NACHI members are taking your business away.

SOLUTION
Just pay up and become one of us. (Too easy)

[Dan Harris]

Why a non member would be obsessed with how another association runs it's business is beyond me and makes me wonder if boredom from lack of work has set it.

Excellant Point :D
Why an owner of one HI association bashes another HI association , and why members of that org support, and promote his public bashing of other inspectors, and HI associations is beyond me.

[Bob Elliott]

Excellant Point :D
Why an owner of one HI association bashes another HI association , and why members of that org support, and promote his public bashing of other inspectors, and HI associations is beyond me.

Personally I think he just goes over the top to incite you guys.

[Raymond Wand]

I don't see the ASHI executives running around calling the competition SCUMBAGS!

[Bob Elliott]

I don't see the ASHI executives running around calling the competition SCUMBAGS!

I do hear of ASHI pushing things like branding that brainwash RE Agents into thinking one inspector is better than another because of what address they send their dues to.

Perhaps that does more damage to a mans lively hood than Nicks comments that may have the opposite effect.

Did Nicks comments cause members of other associations to lose business?

[Dan Harris]

Personally I think he just goes over the top to incite you guys.


There are some that choose to support, defend, and promote his childish grade school playground BS.
And then there are some that have grown up and believe this is a profession, and our exposure to the public should be professional.

[Raymond Wand]

Its called ethics Bob, but maybe you are conveniently overlooking that fact?

[Lisa Endza]

Dan Harris asks
Why don't we see any posts asking what should one study to pass the nachi on-line quiz?

Which of these quizzes are you referring to? Can you guess what inspection trade association requires all this? - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/rigorous2006)

[Raymond Wand]

Requires? Those quizzes are optional I believe and I also believe members are not audited to ensure compliance?

[Raymond Wand]

However.... I did like this requirement.

CMI
*Requirements for the Certified Master Inspector ® could not be depicted due to its experience requirements.

Nor could the requirements be depicted due to the fact that no one in Canada holding a CMI has had a police background check, nor audited for number of inspections. ;) And at least two CMI holders possibly more where given theirs without any questions. But with Joe Farsetta on the job (he is on the CMI board) preaching how ethics are to be administered should that come as a surprise?

[Dan Harris]

Dan Harris asks

Which of these quizzes are you referring to? Can you guess what inspection trade association requires all this? - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/rigorous2006)

If the new inspectors had any smarts, and wanted to be reprensented to the public as professional, they would save their $s and get all the information for free from experienced inspectors @ Home Inspection and Home Inspector Information For Property Inspectors (http://www.inspectionnews.com)

The Message Board alone contains over 10,050 registered members who have contributed over 192,465 posts of information. InspectionNews is the largest independent inspection resource of it's kind.

[Bob Elliott]

There are some that choose to support, defend, and promote his childish grade school playground BS.
And then there are some that have grown up and believe this is a profession, and our exposure to the public should be professional.

We have guys in the MO area that hate ASHI and want no part of it ,yet are forced to join or get no referrals from Agents due to the fact that ASHI spends all of it's members dues in convincing Agents that Inspectors should be vested by their association.

Why else would they only want to use ASHI Inspectors?
Do you think Agents would really care? or that they do some kind of big statistical research on their own?:rolleyes:

No they were brainwashed.

What is the difference in ASHI and NACHI/
Is it the SOP?

I doubt it ,as they are close enough.

The association that tried to partner with you guys let their inspectors do repairs on defects they found in the homes they inspected and now your chummy.

Cutting through the fog here I can tell you that if you put two guys (one from each) side by side with lets say 500 inspections not counting ride alongs carrying some guys jock strap to meet the 250 goal at ASHI but real inspections...who is the better?

NACHI spends their money on education while ASHI spends it on marketing.

Perceived value to Agents is ASHI
Real value to clients is NACHI because during those 500 inspections the NACHI guy has access to the best education between the two.

Ok Nick ruffles some feathers and all focus is on him rather than what a great ORG NACHI really is.

If I was a new guy all over again i would be stupid not to Join NACHI and get real education and help.

Over the local chapter we actually give free ridealongs to those that request it and do not fear the competition, because we are smart enough to realize that the real competiton is getting buyers to know they need a professionally trained Inspection.

I have nothing against ASHI but do take hostile threads like this into account when barking back ,and perhaps that what Nick is doing.

[Dan Harris]

Cutting through the fog here I can tell you that if you put two guys (one from each) side by side with lets say 500 inspections not counting ride alongs carrying some guys jock strap to meet the 250 goal at ASHI but real inspections...who is the better?

.[/B]

Bob you make it too easy. :)
All one has to do is look at questions asked from nicki " Certified Inspectors" on your BB, then look at questions asked, and information provided by ASHI members on this site.

[Raymond Wand]

Dan all they need to do is look at the dysfunctional ESOP, no credible home inspection association would conduct its affairs openly and disgracefully as it does under the auspices of its chair who is obviously in several conflicts of interest and uses brawn instead of brains to carry out the ESOP mandate.

[Bob Elliott]

Bob you make it too easy. :)
All one has to do is look at questions asked from nicki " Certified Inspectors" on your BB, then look at questions asked, and information provided by ASHI members on this site.

From what i hear the ASHI forum is closed because of all the idiot questions from guys who have no clue.
This place seems to have several guys that answer most of the questions just like over there.

More newbies are bound to be on the NACHI board as new Inspectors gravitate there.
That does not mean that there are fewer knowledgeable guys, but that the forum has a better mix of both.

Be honest as to what happens when new guys ask a question on the closed board.
Too many have told me that the place is like a ghost town , so fess up as to the honest truth on that.

I do hear that the old timers just humiliate any one with a question thus making education difficult.

I was the guy in the class that would argue with the teacher just to get the straight dope on subjects.
Some teachers hated me for that while the classmates were grateful as they wanted the same answers but were afraid to speak up.

NACHI board is a place where we help our brothers and have lots of fights, but it is still family.
Our political threads are vicious as we go to system and component threads pretending nothing happened.

Sure their are a few moron,s but every family has them.

[Dan Harris]

Be honest as to what happens when new guys ask a question on the closed board.
Too many have told me that the place is like a ghost town , so fess up as to the honest truth on that.
.

The new guy gets an answer on the ASHI site, same as here.

Ghost town.
If you look at who claims that, the first question I think of is, what post's did you make, to make it any better.
The ASHI site has almost the same information. When you take out the BS, bashing and lies about non members, politics, mulitable posts of the same topic, multible posts of advertizing to scam $s from the members, members bragging how great they are, and how they scammed home owners of out $ 10,000 swards, that you find on your site.

The best site out there is this one.
Heck Duffy's site has more and useful info than the nachi site.

[Raymond Wand]

Dan I couldn't agree more. And I have never seen a senior member belittle a newbie on ASHI. I also don't see members threatening each other as I have seen on Nachi.

Nor do I see executives of ASHI referring to Nachi as SCUMBAGS!

ASHI does not have moderators who like Nachi moderators have no idea what their function is and apply double standards.

[Bob Elliott]

Dan I couldn't agree more. And I have never seen a senior member belittle a newbie on ASHI. I also don't see members threatening each other as I have seen on Nachi.

Nor do I see executives of ASHI referring to Nachi as SCUMBAGS!

ASHI does not have moderators who like Nachi moderators have no idea what their function is and apply double standards.

Members are not Moderated .

Ashi members always start these anti nachi threads.

I got kicked out of TIJ years ago for the simple act of objecting to O'Handjobs constant bashing.

Here I see the same pattern ,so I avoid it most of the time.
Just look at the title of this thread for crying out loud.

Who is doing the bashing ? and why?

Mr Wand you use alias's all over the internet just to start trouble for NACHI do you not?

Anyone can do a search and see the facts as history is in that little search box as to who said what.

Go ahead anyone and see which org spends more time starting these unneeded threads.

[Bob Elliott]

The new guy gets an answer on the ASHI site, same as here.

Ghost town.
If you look at who claims that, the first question I think of is, what post's did you make, to make it any better.
The ASHI site has almost the same information. When you take out the BS, bashing and lies about non members, politics, mulitable posts of the same topic, multible posts of advertizing to scam $s from the members, members bragging how great they are, and how they scammed home owners of out $ 10,000 swards, that you find on your site.

The best site out there is this one.
Heck Duffy's site has more and useful info than the nachi site.

Nothing to hide?
Make it public as I have no reason to take the word of a known NACHI basher.

How many posts have you had on our forum over the years.
Gimme a break.

Same guys over a long period of time doing the same old ranting.

Invitation to anyone to search Google for the guys doing the most crying about how bad NACHI is.
Go ahead and type in one of these names and NACHI as a key word.

Becomes like a broken record......yawn.

[Dan Harris]

Ashi members always start these anti nachi threads.

.

A non member started this one..
ASHI members just disclose the facts and truth :D

[Bob Elliott]

A non member started this one..
ASHI members just disclose the facts and truth :D

.....and which Sharks smelled blood.

[Bob Elliott]

.....and which Sharks smelled blood.

Seems to me that a NACHI member should have answered the poor guys question.

My goodness you guys would scare anyone lacking ba-ls of steel from even considering the profession.

[Dan Harris]

.....and which Sharks smelled blood.

I cant quite get a handle on their organization, are they a 501 NP, a good source of info, or an HI mall? I hear a few different stories, what say you?




The man asked a ligit question. We just gave him an honest answer with out trying to selling him anything, by using this board for free advertizing.

After seeing all of the nacho replies I assume you, and Lisa answered his question " is nachi a HI mall?" . :)

[Raymond Wand]

Mr Wand you use alias's all over the internet just to start trouble for NACHI do you not?You made an allegation, so you should be able to prove it. Can you? I see lots of aliases on Nachi so really what is your point?

Now again I would like to call your attention to the matter with CMI and the manner in which it was fraudulently marketed.

Now I see Nick is pushing another designation to dupe the naive.

InterNACHI awarded "Certified Professional Inspector (CPI)" Federal Certification Mark.

And by the way just because the Feds have registered the title it is not an endorsment as Nick likes to portray.

Maybe you should buy one, but if I were you I'd make certain all the hype is truthful and the requirement diligently carried out.

[Dan Harris]

.....and which Sharks smelled blood.

If you back go thru the posts it looks like you will find the " Nachi Director of Communications" smelled blood :D

[Raymond Wand]

Hi Bob.

Speaking of ethics I guess you wrote the book. Promoting falsities on Active Rain is real nice. Kinda in keeping with the lack of ethics Nachi is known for! :rolleyes:

Condo Bob 's Blog (http://activerain.com/blogs/homeinspection) :D

Like the fact you tried to tell Mario Kyriacou to keep from embarrassing himself and Joe Farsetta and the rest of the ESOP committee. The question remains why an ESOP member would be allowed to repeatedly break the rules he is tasked with upholding and why Joe Farsetta Chair of the NACHI ESOP condones these outbursts from one of his committee members on a public site? :confused:

Thanks Bob. ;)

[Lisa Endza]

Dear Dan and Ray, thank you both for asking out our non-profit status, the size of our new message board and what the CPI registration is about. I'll answer them one at a time.


I cant quite get a handle on their organization, are they a 501 NP, a good source of info, or an HI mall? I hear a few different stories, what say you?

Yes, yes, and yes, Dan. InterNACHI is not only a non-profit corporation that never issued stock (un-owned), but it is also federally tax-exempt. Read IRS grants InterNACHI tax exempt status. - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/inachitaxexempt.htm) It is a "good source of info. And it is a great "HI mall" INSPECTORMALL.COM (http://www.InspectorMall.com)


The Message Board alone contains over 10,050 registered members who have contributed over 192,465 posts of information. InspectionNews is the largest independent inspection resource of it's kind.

I disagree. InterNACHI's new message board, launched in 2007, already has 21,912 registered users and 570,024 posts.


And by the way just because the Feds have registered the title...

Ray, it took over four years to acquire the mark so it is a bit more than simply having "registered the title" like you would register a corporate name on LegalZoom. "Certified Professional Inspector (CMI), it is not just a trademark. It is a U.S. Federal Certification Mark on the Principal Register. InterNACHI awarded "Certified Professional Inspector (CPI)" Federal Certification Mark. - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/cpi)

Do you have any other questions I may help answer?

[Gunnar Alquist]

I'm looking for an Org to join, and I just wasnt sure. I hear a lot of negitives with that Org. and want to make a wise choice. They do however, have some pretty cool information over there. I also like ASHI.

Marc,

My local CREIA chapter is great. Take a look at the local chapters of any organization that you are considering before you join. That is where you will get the most information and help. If there is no local chapter or if the chapter meetings are bad, then the organization will be of no real benefit.

[Raymond Wand]

Lisa

You must be in a difficult position trying to promote Nachi as an ethical association and all, but there seems to be a problem with the ESOP and actions of a few rogue ESOP members who do as they please and their actions are never condoned by Joe Farsetta.

Its very troubling for me as it must be for the public to see one member continually and knowingly flaunt the rules he is tasked to uphold. The language and the tone do not paint the ESOP as a functional and professional body.

What is even more surprising are so called members endorsing the behaviour which tells me they have very little understanding of how a professional Standards of Practice Committee should operate and carry out its mandate. Simply put professional bodies do not operate in the manner demonstrated but given that the ESOP is made up of members who have never belonged to a professional acting body to know the difference I guess this is par for the course.

[Dan Harris]

Dear Dan and Ray, thank you both for asking out our non-profit status, the size of our new message board and what the CPI registration is about. I'll answer them one at a time.



Yes, yes, and yes, Dan. InterNACHI is not only a non-profit corporation that never issued stock (un-owned), but it is also federally tax-exempt. Read IRS grants InterNACHI tax exempt status. - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/inachitaxexempt.htm) It is a "good source of info. And it is a great "HI mall" INSPECTORMALL.COM (http://www.InspectorMall.com)



I disagree. InterNACHI's new message board, launched in 2007, already has 21,912 registered users and 570,024 posts.



Ray, it took over four years to acquire the mark so it is a bit more than simply having "registered the title" like you would register a corporate name on LegalZoom. "Certified Professional Inspector (CMI), it is not just a trademark. It is a U.S. Federal Certification Mark on the Principal Register. InterNACHI awarded "Certified Professional Inspector (CPI)" Federal Certification Mark. - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/cpi)

Do you have any other questions I may help answer?

I didn't ask any of those questions.

As far as the size of your org. why don't you read what is claimed, opposed to bragging and spouting useless crap to get more free advertizing.

Sorry I hate to burst your ego, as far as your useless titles, and the size of your BB with multible posts of the same crap to get more numbers than some one else, quite honestly I don't believe anybody out side of your org is impressed.

[Lisa Endza]

Ray, I am forbidden in writing from commenting on ESOP publicly. The prohibition is in my new 5 year contract that I happily signed last week. As InterNACHI's Director of Communications through at least 2014, my job is to answer almost any other question you can ask.

[Raymond Wand]

Lisa

Regardless what you are prohibited from doing the fact remains that your job is not being assisted by the likes of the ESOP with Joe at the helm and other members who seem to have a very limited vocabulary in their ability to show their lack of education. When I read the posts from these cretins the image that comes to mind is that of a repair man bending over with the crack of his ass showing. Decorum was never part of the dress code of civility at Nachi. But then again I suppose its part of the image that Nachi cultivates with your assistance as CD. ;)

[Billy Stephens]

Raymond,

A good start to Some of Your questions that Lisa disclaims would be to Examine this Org. 990 or 990 EZ Form that mut be Made Public for 3 years.

If the ESOP is of a Standard Employee Stock Ownership Variety The US Department of Labor has Regulatory Authority and Enforcement Employee Benefits Security Administration Main Page (http://www.dol.gov/ebsa) backed by The US Department of Justice.

These Two Departments have a Very Impressive Record of Recovering Billions of Dollars of Miss used Funds with Some of the Defendants Receiving Substantial Federal Prison Terms.

Check the right side of the link News Releases. ;)
.

[Lisa Endza]

Ray, you must be referring to our message board and I agree with you. We do our best though. Pornographic pictures are deleted by our IT department when they are alerted to them. Cuss words are deleted by the message board system automatically before they are posted. All other InterNACHI member posts are unmoderated and it is a big tent. There is a Not For Everyone forum that is open only to members and hidden from public view, but I won't visit it. It is not a place for a respectable lady. :rolleyes:

Are there any other questions I may help with?

[Raymond Wand]

Don't worry Lisa

I am ensuring that all the dirty laundry soiled by the ESOP and its Chair Joe Farsetta are exposed on Bob Elliots Active Rain Blog for the public to see.

Its unfortunate that many members have not been assisting you in promoting a professional image of NACHI. But don't you worry about a thing I will help protect you from the scoundrels! :D

[Lisa Endza]

If the ESOP is of a Standard Employee Stock Ownership Variety The US Department of Labor has Regulatory Authority and Enforcement Employee Benefits Security Administration Main Page backed by The US Department of Justice.Billy, ESOP does not stand for Employee Stock Ownership Purchase, it stands for Ethics and Standards Of Practice committee. InterNACHI has never issued stock. It is not owned. It is a non-profit, federally tax-exempt corporation. IRS grants InterNACHI tax exempt status. - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/inachitaxexempt.htm)

[Lisa Endza]

Ray, may I ask a question? Are you a member of CanNACHI?

[Raymond Wand]

Nope not a member of CanNachi.

Here is another question; does NACHI have an online course in vocabulary? Given the frequency of foul language it might be a good idea. I am also wondering if they use their limited command of the language in their report verbiage?

[Dan Harris]

[QUOTE=Lisa Endza;110968]

I disagree. InterNACHI's new message board, launched in 2007, already has 21,912 registered users and 570,024 posts.
QUOTE]

After revewing posts on this board and the nachio board I don't see how you could even begin to compare your BB to this one.

In the last 24 hrs this board had 20 topics
1- exposing a scam HI org.
1 -General
18 -with free information that an inspector can use in his daily business.

Nachi board total 47 topics
9- bragging crap
5- members begging for freebies
17- BS/crap including talk about someones private parts
16- included information that an inspector can use in his daily business. And 4 of the 16 are childish, or poor me bs

[Billy Stephens]

.
It is not owned. It is a non-profit, federally tax-exempt corporation. IRS grants (http://www.nachi.org/inachitaxexempt.htm)
InterNACHI tax exempt status. - InterNACHI (http://www.nachi.org/inachitaxexempt.htm)
.
Great then anyone interested could access their form 990 by a free Registration
Here http://commerce.guidestar.org/GuideStar/newaccount.aspx
.

[Lisa Endza]

Here is another question; does NACHI have an online course in vocabulary?No, InterNACHI's long list of free, approved, accredited education and training offerings (http://www.nachi.org/education.htm) does not include a course in vocabulary.

Are there any other questions I may answer for you?

[Raymond Wand]

When will Joe Farsetta offer an apology to my good buddy whom Joe called in a fit of rage and contrary to every established rule that Joe oversees, and apologize for acting like a buffoon and conduct unbecoming as ESOP chair?

Also what does Joe have on Nick that Nick would let Joe Farsetta and the boys on the ESOP run rampant. I realize you do not involve yourself with Joe and thats a good thing given his sexist views, but perhaps you could offer up your own view as to my question.

[Raymond Wand]

Lisa

Hold your reply til tomorrow. I have to go to bed now. Mom says its bedtime and I have to get my beauty sleep! :)

[Bob Elliott]

Hi Bob.

Speaking of ethics I guess you wrote the book. Promoting falsities on Active Rain is real nice. Kinda in keeping with the lack of ethics Nachi is known for!

Condo Bob 's Blog (http://activerain.com/blogs/homeinspection)

Like the fact you tried to tell Mario Kyriacou to keep from embarrassing himself and Joe Farsetta and the rest of the ESOP committee. The question remains why an ESOP member would be allowed to repeatedly break the rules he is tasked with upholding and why Joe Farsetta Chair of the NACHI ESOP condones these outbursts from one of his committee members on a public site?

Thanks Bob. ;)

Hey Einstein

Whats the date on that Blog?:p:rolleyes:

[Lisa Endza]

I can't answer your first question for two reasons. The first being that I don't know the answer. The second being that I'm prohibited from commenting about ESOP decisions.

As to your second question.
Also what does Joe have on Nick that Nick would let Joe Farsetta and the boys on the ESOP run rampant. I realize you do not involve yourself with Joe and thats a good thing given his sexist views, but perhaps you could offer up your own view as to my question.What I know may not be completely accurate. Years ago Nick made us do a study to determine why trade associations fail. I'm not sure if Nick wanted the real study results or if he just wanted staff to research the topic and think about the issues because he never asked me for a copy of the report. Around the same time, just before he gave up control of the board, he and our attorney Mark Cohen took steps they said removed what they believed would cause InterNACHI to fail. Nick always says associations don't blow up, they freeze to death by standing still because everyone is afraid to do anything. One of those steps was to give ESOP full independence. Even the board can't overrule ESOP. And Joe Farsetta can't be fired. Like you said, they are free to "run rampant" without fear. InterNACHI grows fast because staff can make decisions that stand in a fear-free environment. Nick recently signed me to a new 5 year contract long before my existing contract expired. Lisa Vega has a masters in architecture. She created our free inspection graphics library. (http://www.nachi.org/gallery) She also got a full position and health insurance with dental and eye. In this tough economy, my contract makes me feel safe, safe to make fast decisions and implement them.

As for Joe, I don't find Joe to be uniquely sexist. I find all men to be sexist. :p

Are there any other questions I may try to answer for you?

[Marc M]

Marc,

My local CREIA chapter is great. Take a look at the local chapters of any organization that you are considering before you join. That is where you will get the most information and help. If there is no local chapter or if the chapter meetings are bad, then the organization will be of no real benefit.

I PM'd you...

[Bob Elliott]

Another example of why I do not come to Inspector News often is found in this Blog.

Real Estate Blog - Is your lighting costing you money? (http://activerain.com/blogsview/915399/is-your-lighting-costing-you-money-)

Mr Wand is off the deep end again.

[Raymond Wand]

Good morning Lisa

Thanks for the reply. As for Nick staying out of things, that is just not true. I know and have documentation that show Nick has direct influence with the ESOP. But then again I am sure to protect you Nick tells you only what he wants you to know.

Congratulations on your contract renewal! That is a nice security blanket.

I like your little sexist dig, just remember all men are not pigs, but some look and act like pigs, Joe is prime example! :D Oink, oink.

Hi Bob, thanks for letting me post on your blog, just thought the public should know about the threats and conduct unbecoming of one of the ESOP members, but they have a good leader as an example of how not to be a leader! :o NACHI will continue to suffer as long as the ESOP remains and with no bylaws, policies, or voting rights members will continue to be subjected to subjective justice. I even hear Joe Farsetta is building a gallows in the basement of the NACHI tV studios, the plan being to start hanging so-called troublesome members. Frank Carrio has already pleaded to be the hangman, Joe and Frank are fighting for the right:D

[Ted Menelly]

Good morning Lisa

Thanks for the reply. As for Nick staying out of things, that is just not true. I know and have documentation that show Nick has direct influence with the ESOP. But then again I am sure to protect you Nick tells you only what he wants you to know.

Congratulations on your contract renewal! That is a nice security blanket.

I like your little sexist dig, just remember all men are not pigs, but some look and act like pigs, Joe is prime example! :D Oink, oink.

Hi Bob, thanks for letting me post on your blog, just thought the public should know about the threats and conduct unbecoming of one of the ESOP members, but they have a good leader as an example of how not to be a leader! :o NACHI will continue to suffer as long as the ESOP remains and with no bylaws, policies, or voting rights members will continue to be subjected to subjective justice. I even hear Joe Farsetta is building a gallows in the basement of the NACHI tV studios, the plan being to start hanging so-called troublesome members. Frank Carrio has already pleaded to be the hangman, Joe and Frank are fighting for the right:D

Ray ....Ray ... Ray ....


Whats up Raymond. Seriously my fellow inspector ... whats up ... why do you freaking care about any of this. If you don't like NACHI or anything that goes on there why are you so involved about every facet of what is going on with every soul in NACHI.

Why do you both\er yourself getting so deep on every single item of NACHI. What do you care and why should you care and why do you want to care about what is going on in an organization that you want absolutely nothing to do with and you do not want to be involved with and don't want to discuss about and what an ESOP member had for breakfast or the last time he or she farted.

I don't care in the slightest but if I were you (unless you seriously love being involved in endless crap) I would just not talk about it anymore or read about it anymore or looks things up about it any more. You think or should I say believe (it may or may not be all true) that everyone there is a scumbag, slime ball, liar, pervert, deviate etc etc etc, cheater ... you name it .. Why in the hell do you concern yourself with it at all. Why do you care. Why have you carried this fight/argument/disagreement/bashing/name calling etc etc etc etc into the third section of this thread with so many replies and so much involvement for something you want absolutely nothing to do with.

Seriously Raymond. You sound like a fairly intelligent guy......Get away from all that crap. Whether it is crap or not you seem to think so. Wash your hands of it. Throw it away. Sweep it under the rug. Put it to bed. Move on with life and let the slime ball, scum bag, lying deviate perverts rest in piece and get involved with another association if that is something you would even want to do.

My honest opinion is that you should not get involved with another association because your level of involvement and the detail to every living soul in that association would be so great that it would soon turn into the same thing. Life is to short Raymond. I have no idea how old you are but if you are not up in years then listen to an older fart............ Life is to short. Join an association for reasons that benefit you. Let someone else put up with all the bull over time. Go to your meetings. Interact lightly with fellow home inspectors and then go home and give your wife a big kiss and thank yourself for listening to me in getting uninvolved. Life is sweet and way to short. Enjoy it.

[Lisa Endza]

I know and have documentation that show Nick has direct influence with the ESOP. Nick founded the association and heads up Operations, so naturally he has a lot of influence over everything.

As for "InterNACHI continuing to suffer," I don't see it. 2009 was a bad year for the inspection industry but InterNACHI grew leaps and bounds. We were awarded 300 new government approvals and educational accreditations (http://www.nachi.org/education.htm) in 2009. Our site grew by about 30,000 pages and an additional 40 million hits/year. We broke all-time records in traffic, reach, pageviews and time on site (http://www.nachi.org/traffic-2009.htm) and purchased almost 200 more domains including Inspector.org. We added more free business success tools (http://www.nachi.org/success.htm) than any other year and our free membership benefits (http://www.nachi.org/benefits.htm) page nearly doubled in size. We filled 5 new staff positions. We published a dozen new inspection books. (http://www.inspectoroutlet.com) We completed many major projects such as our free inspection graphics library (http://www.nachi.org/gallery) and our free inspection articles library (http://www.nachi.org/articles.htm). www.NACHI.TV (http://www.nachi.tv) received state approval for its advanced online video inspection courses. We are generating more than an inspection lead a minute for our members (http://www.nachi.org/inspection-leads.htm) from just two of our sites. Our International Standards of Practice for Inspecting Commercial Properties (http://www.nachi.org/comsop.htm) is now used all over the world. In your Province of Ontario Ray, we now have over 500 members, including your friend Roy. We opened new chapters in Dubai, Beijing, Malaysia, South Africa, and Brazil in 2009. InterNACHI now has operations in 56 countries. I just don't see the "suffering" you speak of.

[Raymond Wand]

Nick founded the association and heads up Operations, so naturally he has a lot of influence over everything.

Now thats what I was looking for! :D Just remember though the ESOP and its antics under Joe Farsettas guidance and his lap dogs will be the undoing of NACHI.

Ted, thanks for your concerns, but there is no substitute for victory given the circumstances. :)

[Lisa Endza]

Ray ....Ray ... Ray ....


Whats up Raymond. Seriously my fellow inspector ... whats up ... why do you freaking care about any of this. If you don't like NACHI or anything that goes on there why are you so involved about every facet of what is going on with every soul in NACHI.

Why do you both\er yourself getting so deep on every single item of NACHI. What do you care and why should you care and why do you want to care about what is going on in an organization that you want absolutely nothing to do with and you do not want to be involved with and don't want to discuss about and what an ESOP member had for breakfast or the last time he or she farted.

I don't care in the slightest but if I were you (unless you seriously love being involved in endless crap) I would just not talk about it anymore or read about it anymore or looks things up about it any more. You think or should I say believe (it may or may not be all true) that everyone there is a scumbag, slime ball, liar, pervert, deviate etc etc etc, cheater ... you name it .. Why in the hell do you concern yourself with it at all. Why do you care. Why have you carried this fight/argument/disagreement/bashing/name calling etc etc etc etc into the third section of this thread with so many replies and so much involvement for something you want absolutely nothing to do with.

Seriously Raymond. You sound like a fairly intelligent guy......Get away from all that crap. Whether it is crap or not you seem to think so. Wash your hands of it. Throw it away. Sweep it under the rug. Put it to bed. Move on with life and let the slime ball, scum bag, lying deviate perverts rest in piece and get involved with another association if that is something you would even want to do.

My honest opinion is that you should not get involved with another association because your level of involvement and the detail to every living soul in that association would be so great that it would soon turn into the same thing. Life is to short Raymond. I have no idea how old you are but if you are not up in years then listen to an older fart............ Life is to short. Join an association for reasons that benefit you. Let someone else put up with all the bull over time. Go to your meetings. Interact lightly with fellow home inspectors and then go home and give your wife a big kiss and thank yourself for listening to me in getting uninvolved. Life is sweet and way to short. Enjoy it.

I'll second that Ted. Thank you.

[Raymond Wand]

Lisa you seem a little to eager to post all those links back to Nachi! :D

[Lisa Endza]

It seems I have to provide proof of every statement I make here. Did you ever finish counting our 500+ members in Ontario Ray?

[Raymond Wand]

Yes you have to provide some proof because frankly you have a habit of skirting the questions with more rhetoric.

Where is NACHI head office in Ontario Lisa? As required under the Ontario Corp. Act a membership list must open to the public, this is a legal requirement. As I pointed out before your attempt at painting larger numbers are grossly inflated.

If you cannot muster a proper accounting of members I understand because your role is to take orders, not to question what you are told to state.

Cheers,

[Lisa Endza]

InterNACHI is a Colorado corporation and so our headquarters are in Colorado.

a membership list must open to the public, this is a legal requirementInterNACHI's membership list is open to the public. Featured Inspectors - Int'l Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI) (http://www.nachi.org/memberlist.htm) You can view it from anywhere in Canada.

You can also view our membership by City, State/Province or postal code from Find an Inspector with InspectorSeek.com (http://www.InspectorSeek.com)

You can also view our membership by entire State/Province from the very bottom of International Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI) (http://www.nachi.org).

Unlike other associations, InterNACHI doesn't use ambiguous regional search functions to hide our actual membership numbers. We open up our membership list to the public for all to see and count if they so wish.

Are there any other questions I may answer for you?

[Raymond Wand]

InterNACHI is a Colorado corporation and so our headquarters are in Colorado.
InterNACHI's membership list is open to the public. Featured Inspectors - Int'l Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI) (http://www.nachi.org/memberlist.htm) You can view it from anywhere in Canada.

That doesn't tell me anything.

You can also view our membership by City, State/Province or postal code from Find an Inspector with InspectorSeek.com (http://www.InspectorSeek.com)

Still doesn't confirm the numbers you are quoting

You can also view our membership by entire State/Province from the very bottom of International Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI) (http://www.nachi.org).

More diversionary answers. Guess you really have no clue, therefore if you have no clue you have no business stating as fact numbers that cannot be confirmed by a actual membership list.

Unlike other associations, InterNACHI doesn't use ambiguous regional search functions to hide our actual membership numbers. We open up our membership list to the public for all to see and count if they so wish.

Now thats a contradiction "ambiguous" given that the search functions don't indicate true numbers. I suspect your search function is purposely "ambiguous".

Are there any other questions I may answer for you?

Yes many more questions of which you cannot or will not provide accurate answers. As Communications Director I give you a failing grade.

Thank you for your assistance in demonstrating that Nachi is all smoke and mirrors staffed by yes people who cannot think much beyond their nose. :D

[Lisa Endza]

Ray, if you explain for me what format you would like to see our membership list, I'll have IT create it for you from our membership database. I'll then post it here for all to view.

[Brian Hannigan]

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[Lisa Endza]

Thank you Brian.

[Raymond Wand]

Thanks Brian.

[Lisa Endza]

Nice InterNACHI banner Brian. Thanks!:)

[Darren Miller]

The banner really is great looking; but I do have a question.

Several years ago Mr. Nick stated something to the effect that this board was a joke and he would see that it would go away just like NAHI; how's that working out for him?



Inquiring minds want to know...

[Scott Patterson]

The banner really is great looking; but I do have a question.

Several years ago Mr. Nick stated something to the effect that this board was a joke and he would see that it would go away just like NAHI; how's that working out for him?



Inquiring minds want to know...

Well, I would say that it is all about marketing.

Paying Brian to advertise on this board is about the only way that they can advertise to the inspection community and actually to the general public. This site has more non-inspectors and folks looking to become an inspector than any other site on the Internet.

[Dan Harris]

Well, I would say that it is all about marketing.
.

If I can add, the largest open to the public un-biased professional site , that provides the most free information for home owners, and folks looking to enter the profession.
AND the largest professional Homer Inspector site that's open to the public [with out in your face marketing , spam, and open to the public slander/bashing of others in the profession by the site owner,] .
IN is the only site with great professional , established advertizers with proven/product tools to help our business.
IN is a professional marketing tool when our customers search our business's and names..

I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out why there aren't more advertizers looking to gain long term customers from the members on this site.

[Lisa Endza]

I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out why there aren't more advertizers looking to

Jeez, I'm scratching my head and wondering why too. It's almost as if most of the vendors in the inspection industry are .... ;) Lol!

[Dan Harris]

Jeez, I'm scratching my head and wondering why too. It's almost as if most of the vendors in the inspection industry are .... ;) Lol!
Now that nick, [the one that is claimed to be a smart marketing person, ]figured out this is THE place to market his products, the professional venders that want to stay in business, will follow his actions.

[Steve Reilly]

1st pick the association that has a chapter near you, go to a chapter meeting or two of a few organizations to see where you are more comfortable.

I have shared the educational chair for our local chapter Northern Illinois Chapter American Society of Home Inspectors NICASHI. All of our meetings are educationally based with guest speakers, plus we have associates corner for an hour before the regular meeting this is wear a seasoned inspector will talk on one aspect of an inspection for the new inspectors to learn.

We have ride along inspections, where a new guy can shadow an inspector doing an inspection. We also have parallel inspections where the new guy does the inspection as a ride along but also writes his own report and summits it to inspector for review.

I checked out all three Nahi was to far for me to travel, Inachi was a bunch of new guys did not get the feel of any value in joining, last I checked out ASHI much tougher to become a full member but the level of its members made it worth joining.

[Steve Reilly]

1st pick the association that has a chapter near you, go to a chapter meeting or two of a few organizations to see where you are more comfortable.

I have shared the educational chair for our local chapter Northern Illinois Chapter American Society of Home Inspectors NICASHI. All of our meetings are educationally based with guest speakers, plus we have associates corner for an hour before the regular meeting this is wear a seasoned inspector will talk on one aspect of an inspection for the new inspectors to learn.

We have ride along inspections, where a new guy can shadow an inspector doing an inspection. We also have parallel inspections where the new guy does the inspection as a ride along but also writes his own report and summits it to inspector for review.

I checked out all three Nahi was to far for me to travel, Inachi was a bunch of new guys did not get the feel of any value in joining, last I checked out ASHI much tougher to become a full member but the level of its members made it worth joining.

[Lisa Endza]

Steve, you mention education in Illinois. All of InterNACHI's comprehensive, free, online courses are approved (http://www.nachi.org/education.htm) by the State of Illinois.

I'm sure Steve's Northern IL group is a fine bunch of guys. Like he said, if there is a local group of inspectors meeting in your area, you should join. However, there is no way you can be serious about the inspection business outside of InterNACHI, IMO. And it is a business. InterNACHI provides way too many free inspection business success tools (http://www.nachi.org/success.htm) to just pooh pooh. Unless you are rich and doing inspections for fun, being a non-member is fiscally irresponsible.

Nick disagrees with me, and almost everyone else at InterNACHI, on the issue of dual membership, but I believe that inspectors should belong to as many associations as they think will help them feed their families. There is something to be said for beer and camaraderie, but InterNACHI helps pay your bills.

[Bob Elliott]

1st pick the association that has a chapter near you, go to a chapter meeting or two of a few organizations to see where you are more comfortable.

I have shared the educational chair for our local chapter Northern Illinois Chapter American Society of Home Inspectors NICASHI. All of our meetings are educationally based with guest speakers, plus we have associates corner for an hour before the regular meeting this is wear a seasoned inspector will talk on one aspect of an inspection for the new inspectors to learn.

We have ride along inspections, where a new guy can shadow an inspector doing an inspection. We also have parallel inspections where the new guy does the inspection as a ride along but also writes his own report and summits it to inspector for review.

I checked out all three Nahi was to far for me to travel, Inachi was a bunch of new guys did not get the feel of any value in joining, last I checked out ASHI much tougher to become a full member but the level of its members made it worth joining.

Steve are you sure you went to a Nachi Chicago meeting.?
We are known as one of the best all around Inspection chapters there is, with many members that have plenty experience. including quite a few Ashi guys(don't tell anyone) (some are past higher ups) that stop in often to partake of all the great live education opportunities that exist here.

Myself and others would be happy to take you on a ride along if you wish.

No Charge as we help each other out.

What night did you drop by,or did you go to a different chapter?

[Scott Patterson]

Nick disagrees with me, and almost everyone else at InterNACHI, on the issue of dual membership, but I believe that inspectors should belong to as many associations as they think will help them feed their families. There is something to be said for beer and camaraderie, but InterNACHI helps pay your bills.

Lisa, is it true that Nick is planning to not allow dual memberships in ASHI and INACHI after March 2010 (or some date in 2010)? Something like he is going to not renew those that have them and will not allow a person to join if they belong to ASHI?

I heard this at our Chapter meeting the other day and I had a hard time believing that Nick would do that. We have several in our chapter that belong to two or three associations.

[Scott Patterson]

Steve are you sure you went to a Nachi Chicago meeting.?
We are known as one of the best all around Inspection chapters there is, with many members that have plenty experience. including quite a few Ashi guys(don't tell anyone) (some are past higher ups) that stop in often to partake of all the great live education opportunities that exist here.

Myself and others would be happy to take you on a ride along if you wish.

No Charge as we help each other out.

What night did you drop by,or did you go to a different chapter?

Bob, nothing wrong with folks from other associations dropping by and participating in your education programs. Glad to see that all of your members do free ride-along's. I'm with you, I have never seen anyone in my chapter charge a fee for helping a fellow inspector even when they were not a member of our chapter. Sounds like you have a good chapter that you are proud of.

Now if we could only get Nick to stop the bantering and sand kicking we would all be better off.

[Bob Elliott]

Bob, nothing wrong with folks from other associations dropping by and participating in your education programs. Glad to see that all of your members do free ride-along's. I'm with you, I have never seen anyone in my chapter charge a fee for helping a fellow inspector even when they were not a member of our chapter. Sounds like you have a good chapter that you are proud of.

Now if we could only get Nick to stop the bantering and sand kicking we would all be better off.

I think a lot of it is reaction to the Branding turmoil that is still on going.

You know as well as I do that unless you are joining" Knights of umma gumma" it really does not matter which of the major associations you hook up with or for that matter do you even need to join in a Licensed State.

If feel bad for guys that are forced to join and pay dues to ASHI in places like MO where they cant work unless they join ASHI.

Remember I live and have been a member of Chicago Unions ,and have seen what it did to my town in the long run.

Competition is good in the long run ,as it forces improvement ,but the other side has been aggressive in marketing to Agents, and has put down a heavy hand against NACHI in many ways.

Joe Ferry the famed Educator for "Law and Disorder" was banned recently from giving courses to ASHI members due to his association with NACHI.

I have missed his classes when in town, but hear it is a great seminar for protecting your business.

So you see the silliness goes both ways.

He was approved last year by the way.

What can I say?

[Scott Patterson]

I think a lot of it is reaction to the Branding turmoil that is still on going.


Wow! The branding debacle happened over five years ago and only lasted for 18 months before it was stopped because the membership would not financially support it any longer.

I never knew that it effected folks outside of ASHI.

Ya, the issue with Joe Ferry was unfortunate but he was Nicks attorney on some of the lawsuits over trademarks and the like so a few folks at ASHI HQ had some issues with him. As you said it is over and he has been approved. Joe even has a booth at the upcoming InspectionWorld Las Vegas | January 17-20, 2010 (http://www.inspectionworld.org)

[Bob Elliott]

Wow! The branding debacle happened over five years ago and only lasted for 18 months before it was stopped because the membership would not financially support it any longer.

I never knew that it effected folks outside of ASHI.

It does though as I know lots of members that are forced to join ASHI or get no referrals.
ASHI did a good job with that.

I remember the turmoil it caused within (wow, that long ago)

Apparently it worked well,I mean you see Agent posts on AR and how they often talk about hiring only ASHI in all the Boondocks areas.

Since these areas are smaller the Agents go more by what they read ,as there is less competition or no licensing as of yet in those States,and my hats off to an excellent market strategy.

Remember I do not speak for Nick but am only guessing that could be part of it in my own mind.

Our resources went to education , videos, graphic artists,web related content,etc.

This explains lots of disparity in that NACHI is more of an educational outfit while ASHI is more well known in RE Agent land.

Remember these are my own thoughts.

I have no way of knowing if the plan to ban double associations is a bad one or not but do not like it as I may join ASHI at some point as a duel member.

Not to drop NACHI ,but to add to my experience for a lousy (what is it) $300.

Realistically no one here should talk trash unless having experienced both.

[Raymond Wand]

Banning dual memberships?

I would like to see that fly. It would most certainly be a discriminatory practice and as such barred by Federal/State/Provincial law, and could be considered to be monopolistic.

[Lisa Endza]

Scott Patterson posts
Lisa, is it true that Nick is planning to not allow dual memberships in ASHI and INACHI after March 2010 (or some date in 2010)? Something like he is going to not renew those that have them and will not allow a person to join if they belong to ASHI?

I heard this at our Chapter meeting the other day and I had a hard time believing that Nick would do that. We have several in our chapter that belong to two or three associations.I don't believe he'll be able to do it. What you probably heard is that he hired another high-priced law firm that specializes in stuff like this. He asked them to figure out a legal way to kick out all the ASHI members. They researched it and told us that InterNACHI couldn't do it, unless, InterNACHI adopted a strict morals clause that listed many prohibited acts. If InterNACHI does that, then we could slip in something about members being prohibited from financially supporting any other inspection association that has no entrance requirements on the basis that it harms the general public.

Even then, Nick would have to sell the idea and I can say with some certainty that it will never fly. Nick has lost most of his real power at InterNACHI. He didn't really lose it, he gave it up. He holds a board seat but that only gives him a minority vote and they only meet once a year. He turned operations over to me and gave me an iron-clad employment contract so that it is all but impossible for me to lose my job. After building NACHI.TV, he donated his entire financial interest in it and now InterNACHI gets the profits ongoing into the future. It makes serious money too. ESOP continues to run independently and yesterday ESOP kicked out two of Nick's friends from Ontario over an ethics violation. Nick hasn't visited InterNACHI's IT Department in Philladelphia in over 3 years. Nick is a strong personality at InterNACHI to say the least, with lots of friends in the inspection industry, but InterNACHI has grown so big that Nick couldn't run it if he wanted to, and he clearly doesn't want to. Don't sweat him. He's just being Nick.

[Raymond Wand]

Kicked out? You mean there was a discipline hearing and the respondents Helen and Bob Brown of ACISS were suspended? When is the execution? :D

Nick does and says a lot of wacky things for the hits. Did he really think he could legally kick ASHI members out? I could have saved Nick some money on legal advice all he had to do was ask me! :)

Merry Christmas Lisa, all the best to you and yours and the Nachi family.

Hi Nick, Merry Christmas to you too! Thanks for looking after that little problem for me, it was much appreciated.

[Dan Harris]

What you probably heard is that he hired another high-priced law firm that specializes in stuff like this. He asked them to figure out a legal way to kick out all the ASHI members. They researched it and told us that InterNACHI couldn't do it, unless, InterNACHI adopted a strict morals clause that listed many prohibited acts.


LOL .. LOL... LOL :D :D
Nachi adopt a strict morals clause :D
All those high priced layers had to do is look at the morals, and ethics of the the orgs owner, and of many nachoites , they would soon see, if that clause was adopted there woudn't be any more nachi :D
Thanks for the laugh, Merry Christmas. :)

[Fisherman Bob]

Lisa Endza wrote in part...
Steve, you mention education in Illinois. All of InterNACHI's comprehensive, free, online courses are approved (http://www.nachi.org/education.htm) by the State of Illinois.


Hi Lisa,

How does that work, since IL requires proctored testing for CE credit? Thanks!

[Bob Elliott]

Lisa Endza wrote in part...
Steve, you mention education in Illinois. All of InterNACHI's comprehensive, free, online courses are approved (http://www.nachi.org/education.htm) by the State of Illinois.


Hi Lisa,

How does that work, since IL requires proctored testing for CE credit? Thanks!

That's right
And it is.
Any other questions?

Let me ask you one.
How much do you pay for your CE'S ?

[Lisa Endza]

Lisa Endza wrote in part...
Steve, you mention education in Illinois. All of InterNACHI's comprehensive, free, online courses are approved (http://www.nachi.org/education.htm) by the State of Illinois.


Hi Lisa,

How does that work, since IL requires proctored testing for CE credit? Thanks!

Our tests are proctored in Illinois.

[Fisherman Bob]

Our tests are proctored in Illinois.

Thanks, Lisa. Was just curious...how are on-line tests proctored? (Pardon my ignornace, but I'm pretty lame when it comes to these matters.) Again, thanks for any insight.

[Lisa Endza]

The InterNACHI member takes the approved InterNACHI course online (http://www.nachi.org/education.htm) while the proctor watches.

[Bob Elliott]

Thanks, Lisa. Was just curious...how are on-line tests proctored? (Pardon my ignornace, but I'm pretty lame when it comes to these matters.) Again, thanks for any insight.

I tried to answer that for you last night, as I have been through the proctored exam.
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That is OK though as I am sure Lisa can answer that stuff.

Fact is that a proctored test will save you money since the instructor does not need to be paid and the venue can be anywhere.

No need for advertising ,sending letters,paying to rent a hall,etc.

I will let Lisa continue.

[Stuart Brooks]

I just sent the message to iNACHI Lisa:

It is illegal in the state of Virgina for a home inspector to call him or her self a "Certified Home Inspector" or to offer certified home inspections unless they hold a current valid state certification. Please refer to the following link:

LIS > Administrative Code > 18VAC15-40 (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+reg+18VAC15-40)

Therefore, Virginia iNACHI members cannot advertise or list themselves as "Certified" because they belong to iNACHI. Please advise you Virginia members of the legal requirements in the state.

H. Stuart Brooks VA Lic: 3380-000409

[Bob Elliott]

Today would be a good day to join.
NACHI is having the big Christmas party with tons of free gifts.
I just won 2 LED flashlights and a Laser pointer along with the other first 100 to respond.

Merry Christmas everyone:D

[Dan Harris]

Today would be a good day to join.
NACHI is having the big Christmas party with tons of free gifts.
I just won 2 LED flashlights and a Laser pointer along with the other first 100 to respond.

Merry Christmas everyone:D


LOL Bob.. I have to make a tough decision.
Do I spend $289.00 to join nicki and sit at home with no inspections, like 100 plus of his members are doing to get free stuff.
Or, do I go do my second $300.00 inspection, and pick up 2-10 new customers @ $300.00 per in the next few months :)

[Scott Patterson]

I just sent the message to iNACHI Lisa:

It is illegal in the state of Virgina for a home inspector to call him or her self a "Certified Home Inspector" or to offer certified home inspections unless they hold a current valid state certification. Please refer to the following link:

LIS > Administrative Code > 18VAC15-40 (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+reg+18VAC15-40)

Therefore, Virginia iNACHI members cannot advertise or list themselves as "Certified" because they belong to iNACHI. Please advise you Virginia members of the legal requirements in the state.

H. Stuart Brooks VA Lic: 3380-000409

This is very true not only in VA but a few other states, but if the organization's name is placed in front of Certified Inspector such as; ASHI Certified Inspector then the state is OK with it. So if they said INACHI Certified Inspector it is not an issue.

[Stuart Brooks]

This is very true not only in VA but a few other states, but if the organization's name is placed in front of Certified Inspector such as; ASHI Certified Inspector then the state is OK with it. So if they said INACHI Certified Inspector it is not an issue.

If you go to the iNachi website, go to "find an inspector", search your state, the heading is "CERTIFIED INSPECTORS" not iNACHI Certified. I plan to check each member that lists a web site. When I was just starting I joined NACHI as well as ASHI, I used the logo on my website but later included a disclaimer to state certification under the logo.

I have not seen very much of ASHI inspectors in VA using ASHI Certification as a primary marketing tool unless they were also state certified. Association membership or certification does not appear to play a very big role in the home inspection business here, at least in the NOVA area. I've had a few clients who said that ASHI membership played a role in their selection process. I've had very few contacts from ASHI and even fewer agents seem to give a hoot. That's one reason a lot of local inspectors have dropped the $300-$500 a year in dues to national associations and local chapters.