direct vent fireplace

[Tony Vargas]

On Modern gas fireplaces which have a realistic looking stack of logs that surround the burner and appear to be log fireplaces, but burn propane or natural gas, how are these written up in report as far as chimney sections and fireplace section of report( due to fact you cant open and look up inside them) , are these called direct vent systems?
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[Mike Gault]

if 'ventless'

"You home has a ventless gas log set fireplace. Please do a good bit or research on this item in your home before sustained use. More info (a start) can be found here http://www.askthebuilder.com/B96_Gas_Fireplaces_and_Ventless_Gas_Fireplaces.sht ml"

Direct vented fireplaces are (at least are) 'vented' to the homes exterior - normally directly behind the enclosure.

[Tony Vargas]

Hey thanks Mike i appreciate it

[H.G. Watson, Sr.]

On Modern gas fireplaces which have a realistic looking stack of logs that surround the burner and appear to be log fireplaces, but burn propane or natural gas, how are these written up in report as far as chimney sections and fireplace section of report( due to fact you cant open and look up inside them) , are these called direct vent systems?
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Absolutely NOT.

You've taken a stock photo from an internet site tagged "1190261214_MonessenVentlessGasInsert-LP_DISRoomScene-opt2.jpg"

Ventless does NOT equate to "direct vent"!

Logsets do not equal "inserts" nor "fireplaces".

Direct vent does not equal UNvented or ventLESS!!!

An insert designed to be installed within a fireplace is not a fireplace.
A logset is not a fireplace.

A direct vented appliance takes all its combustion and dillution air from the outdoors and deposts all of the flue gas outdoors (defined in the various gas codes and mechanical codes). Ventless, vent-free, unvented, implies the opposite.

A F.I.R.E. certified professional, a Hearth professional, possibly a sweep, might be consulted. Perhaps taking a CE course yourself. I believe Dale Feb has a one-day course specifically for HIs in California which covers how to identify what is actually present and covers the distinctions with differences on same - and the various listing requirements, such as flame sensors/gas shut offs, oxygen depletion sensors, etc.

You apparently "borrowed" the photo from this site: Monessen Ventless Gas Insert - LP - Ventless-Gas-Logs.com (http://www.ventless-gas-fireplaces.com/product_20_monessen_ventless_gas_insert_remote_rea dy_propane.html#photo) I've posted the larger version of the same "borrowed" photo.

Monessen is here: Monessen - Fire For Your Imagination (http://www.monessenhearth.com/index.asp)
http://www.inspectionnews.net/home_inspection/attachments/fireplaces-chimneys-solid-fuel-burning-appliances-home-inspection-commercial-inspection/21815d1302358936-direct-vent-fireplace-1190261214_monessenventlessgasinsert-lp_disroomscene-opt2.jpg

Unlisted devices should be removed. Devices & appliances not installed in accordance with their Listing, labeling, and listed instructions - and/or appliances installed into other devices not in keeping with their listed limitations should be removed.



Listed and labeled devices, have listing plates (information) which are always accessible, and have means to identify, examine, maintain, test, open, without damaging building finish. The operating/installation instructions should be made available.



Unvented room heaters (ANSI Z21.11.2),
Vented room heaters (ANSI Z21.86),
Unvented decorative room heaters listed (and labeled!) for use in specific factory built fireplaces (UL 127),
Vented Gas Fireplace Heaters (ANSI Z21.88)
Vented Gas Fireplaces (Decorative Appliances) (ANSI Z21.50)

Masonry fireplaces,
Factory-built fireplaces,
Decorative appliances for installation in vented fireplaces,
Vented gas fireplace heaters and decorative appliances for installation in vented solid fuel-burning fireplaces

Decorative appliance for installation in fireplaces (approved solid fuel-burning fireplaces) which may or may not have been tested and approved or listed with ANSI Z21.60 or for manually lighted natural gas decorative appliances tested in accordance with ANSI Z21.84.

Stoves.

[Bob Spermo]

Toney,

A direct vent appliance should have a double pipe that exits the building. The hot air is exhautsed through the innner pipe and the cooler combustion air is deliverd through the outer pipe.

[Tony Vargas]

Thanks guys lots of help