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Jim Luttrall
10-06-2007, 10:20 PM
I am interested in gaining ICC certification. Does anyone have any tips for beginning the process and maybe a plan of attack?
Thanks, Jim

Joseph P. Hagarty
10-06-2007, 11:01 PM
IRC Home Study Course (http://www.assurancecheck.net/IRChomestudy.html)

Dan Bowers
10-06-2007, 11:57 PM
Go to IRC's site, buy the study guides and study - then take tests. Simple stuff. I read their study guides for mechanical, plumbing, electrical and building. Bought a Code Book. Signed up for tests (1 every 2 weeks - took them - passed) and got certified in all 4. The only test that gave me any problem was the electric. Was a real shock to find out I passed. Lot of questions about things that we don't regularly see or do, such as how many wires can be in a square box that is xx" by xx".

Nolan Kienitz
10-07-2007, 07:39 AM
Jim,

Check out ICC's website for the certs:

ICC Online | Certification & Testing (http://www.iccsafe.org/certification/inspector.html)

I'm going to work the process myself over the next six months or so. The testing center is just East of North Central and just South of Park in a 2-story office building. Easy access.

I completed the NHIE for my ASHI membership and am now helping the NHIE developers with further releases of the test. Learning a lot !

Scott Patterson
10-07-2007, 08:23 AM
Get the loose leaf IRC and put in the speed tabs. Keep in mind that this is an open book test and it is not necessary a test of your knowledge, but a test of your skill in reading and looking up the codes. Pay attention to the "exceptions", they will trip you up.

The ICC test are not all that hard if you know how to look up the information.

Jim Luttrall
10-07-2007, 09:41 AM
Joseph, that home study course looks pretty interesting, have you had personal experience with it?
Nolan, keep me updated with your progress.
Thanks, everybody.

Eric Shuman
10-07-2007, 10:17 AM
The only test that gave me any problem was the electric. Was a real shock to find out I passed. Lot of questions about things that we don't regularly see or do, such as how many wires can be in a square box that is xx" by xx".

I agree with Dan on this point about the Electrical test. It was in my opinion the hardest test of the four and I, too, was surprised I passed the first time. The study guides were a big help to me, I didn't try the home study course, but if I were to do it over, I probably would have used it even though I passed all tests on the first attempt (probably by the minimal score when it came to the electrical :) ). I didn't think the tests were easy (even being open book), but definitely passable with the right preperation.

Even though as Scott said, it is not necessarily a test of your knowledge, existing knowledge of the codes will definitely help as it is a timed test and if you already know the answers to some of the questions, it will free up time for the ones you have to look up.

Eric

Rick Thitoff
10-13-2007, 05:08 PM
I am also considering getting certified. Will studying the IRC, and using it at the test be sufficient? Are the code check books also good study references?

Thanks for any info.
Rick

Deleted Account
10-13-2007, 06:18 PM
The ICC test are not all that hard if you know how to look up the information.



If you are successful and take two exams at each sitting it will cost $400 to achieve an R-5 Certification, so advice is cheep only when you don't have to put your money where your mouth is or maybe when you have another exam to sell.

Anyone who has actually taken these exams know that it is almost impossible to pass just by looking up the answers, you will have to know something about the subject especially when taking the electric exam.

All exams have a two-hour time limit. In raw numbers, the B1 Exam is 50 questions which gives you 2.4 minutes per question. The other exams (E1, M1 & P1) have 60 questions which give you 2.0 minutes per question.

The B1 exam covers the first 10 chapters and is over 270 pages of information, most people will not be able to read and answer the questions within the alloted time and will need a successful strategy to pass.

Matt Hawley
10-13-2007, 07:35 PM
Joseph's and Greg Bell's ICC Boot Camp and Ace Educator software program are both excellent.

Scott Patterson
10-13-2007, 07:48 PM
If you are successful and take two exams at each sitting it will cost $400 to achieve an R-5 Certification, so advice is cheep only when you don't have to put your money where your mouth is or maybe when you have another exam to sell.

Anyone who has actually taken these exams know that it is almost impossible to pass just by looking up the answers, you will have to know something about the subject especially when taking the electric exam.

All exams have a two-hour time limit. In raw numbers, the B1 Exam is 50 questions which gives you 2.4 minutes per question. The other exams (E1, M1 & P1) have 60 questions which give you 2.0 minutes per question.

The B1 exam covers the first 10 chapters and is over 270 pages of information, most people will not be able to read and answer the questions within the alloted time and will need a successful strategy to pass.

Don't you have a class to sell?

I said that the ICC exams were not all that hard, this is based on when I took the B1, E1 and M1 six years ago. I did not find them all that difficult, the electrical was the most difficult. It could be that the exams have become more difficult since I took them in 2000 & 2001, I don't know. I stopped paying my ICC dues back in 2004 so I have not been that involved in the process. Yes, being familiar with the book and knowing how locate the answers is important.

Tim Moreira
10-14-2007, 12:19 AM
I took the ICC exams for building and electrical last year. I went through Joseph Burkeson and Greg Bell's class first. The class they taught was 1st class and highly recommended. I don't think I would have passed without their class and study materials. Electrical test was easier for me, but I do have more of an electrical background. Building was a bit tougher.

You need to really spend a lot of time studying this stuff. You can not just look it up. You will not have a lot of time. I recommend you use the loose leaf three ring binder with the tabs in it. Put the index in the front of the three ring binder so you can access it easier. I do not recommend the book version for the test.

Study the index and learn how to read the tables. I seem to remember a lot of table questions on the building section. This to me was the worst and most time consuming.

You will most definitely feel "rushed" when taking the tests. Two hours seems like a lot of time but it isn't. I could have easily spent double that on each section.

Hope that helps and good luck.

Hello to all, sorry I've been away so long. My father moved in with me and took over my office. :(

Hope everyone is doing well.

Tim

Brandon Chew
10-14-2007, 08:04 AM
I've seen several people recommend buying the loose leaf version of the code book instead of the bound version. I'm curious -- what are the reasons for this preference?

Ditto the comments on the turbo tabs. I think they are worth getting and using for the paper code books.

My preference, in my work, is the electonic version, because it is easy to do a search and to copy & paste code sections into other documents. But I don't think they'll let you use the electronic version on the cert tests.

Deleted Account
10-14-2007, 08:11 AM
Don't you have a class to sell?




Thanks for the plug, it is not just a class I sell but a whole philosophy, I believe that home inspectors should be certified independently of home inspection associations this way there is no conflict of interest.

Take for example the My Safe Florida Home Program (http://www.mysafefloridahome.com/FreeHomeInspectionsPrint.htm) being trashed this morning in the Tampa Tribune (http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/oct/14/na-programs-worth-questioned/), it appears there are discrepancies concerning the quality of inspectors, who would have thought that an 8-hour course would not have been sufficient to train people to properly conduct wind mitigation inspections. I can say this with certainly, no one could spend only 8-hours with the IRC code book and pass the B1 exam. Had the state also required the applicants to have successfully passed the B1 besides whatever other training they deemed necessary I doubt these problems would now exist. But then again if not for the poorly structured WCE program we would not have high level ASHI leaders who have turned WCE attempting to get inspectors to perform these inspections for a lousy 50 bucks.

Let me not trail too far from your question though, yes I sell a low-cost ICC course that provides a proven plan to achieve ICC Certification, which appears to have your shorts in a knot.

What is it that concerns you about Assurance Check helping hundreds of home inspectors achieve ICC Certification, could it be that we are a threat to your multi-million dollar EBPHI (http://www.homeinspectionexam.org/board.php) which is diligently attempting to suck every state into using your questionable exam? Anyone taking the time to do a little investigative work on their own will soon discover that without state licensing the EBPHI corporation would be no more than an asterisk on the historical ASHI time-line, yes, it is obvious to all that you have something to sell and it smells rotten.

Scott Patterson
10-14-2007, 08:42 AM
Let me not trail too far from your question though, yes I sell a low-cost ICC course that provides a proven plan to achieve ICC Certification, which appears to have your shorts in a knot.

What is it that concerns you about Assurance Check helping hundreds of home inspectors achieve ICC Certification, could it be that we are a threat to your multi-million dollar EBPHI (http://www.homeinspectionexam.org/board.php) which is diligently attempting to suck every state into using your questionable exam? Anyone taking the time to do a little investigative work on their own will soon discover that without state licensing the EBPHI corporation would be no more than an asterisk on the historical ASHI time-line, yes, it is obvious to all that you have something to sell and it smells rotten.

Joe, I never said I had a problem with your course. You just assumed it because I asked a question. In fact I think it is great that you have the talent and time to put it on. ICC also has a very good course that they offer online.

The NHIE must not be too questionable as it is used by 19 States, ASHI, AII and even NAHI allows it as their membership exam.

As for EBPHI, this thread was not about the NHIE. But now that you brought it up, as of three years ago ASHI no longer has anything to do with EBPHI. And yes, licensing is what supports EBPHI. With the NHIE being in 19 states, that is what the exam is and was designed for. EBPHI is not a multimillion dollar corporation as you say, I wish it was then I might get paid for all of my time I spend with it. All you have to do is the math and you can figure that out.

Joe, I don't sell anything other than my inspection services. You are the one with a dog in this hunt.

Brandon Chew
10-15-2007, 06:23 AM
I've seen several people recommend buying the loose leaf version of the code book instead of the bound version. I'm curious -- what are the reasons for this preference?


BUMP.

Scott Patterson
10-15-2007, 06:51 AM
BUMP.

Brandon, the loose leaf is just easier as you can add addendums or changes as they are published.

The best way to have to codes is on your computer, but you need the printed version for the exams.

Deleted Account
10-15-2007, 11:03 AM
I've seen several people recommend buying the loose leaf version of the code book instead of the bound version. I'm curious -- what are the reasons for this preference?




One of the keys to passing the exam is the ability to decipher the question, once you know what is being asked you then have a target to look up, the next key is to keep look up time to a minimum by reducing the the size of the target.

To help reduce look up time... The loose leaf version of the code book allows you to move the index to the front of the section you are being tested on.

To help reduce the size of the look up target... You could create custom content pages & indexes for each division that you can place in your Code Book yourself, this strategy is not possible with the soft-cover edition.

Assurance Check has created these custom content pages & indexes for you as part of our over all strategy for exam success, all that you need do is print, three-hole punch and put them in the appropriate section.

Brandon Chew
10-16-2007, 06:35 AM
Thanks for those tips guys. I have and use the computer version in my work. I plan to take the cert tests this winter and will need to buy a paper version of the code book to bring into the tests. Meanwhile I'll need to practice with it so I can quickly find what I'm looking for.

Eric Shuman
10-17-2007, 06:39 AM
Brandon,

If you are interested, the ICC offers a deal that if you joined ICC as a member ($75.00) they would send you a copy of the latest IRC book free. Kinda kill two birds with one stone if you would like to be a member. If you are already a member the deal would not apply.

Just a thought and the $75.00 is only a few bucks more than a new copy of the IRC book.

Eric

Deleted Account
10-17-2007, 06:27 PM
Brandon,

If you are interested, the ICC offers a deal that if you joined ICC as a member ($75.00) they would send you a copy of the latest IRC book free. Kinda kill two birds with one stone if you would like to be a member. If you are already a member the deal would not apply.

Just a thought and the $75.00 is only a few bucks more than a new copy of the IRC book.

Eric



The $75 membership price is reserved for "Certified Inspectors", you must have passed an exam and have been certified by ICC to get that price. Members who are not Certified can join under the the "Professional" title which is $150 per year.

BTW: You still get the book if you are a 1st timer regardless of which designation you currently fall under, we suggest to our students to first pass their B1 and join for the lower price because there is no brake on exam prices regardless of your membership status everyone pays the same price for an exam.

Eric Shuman
10-18-2007, 08:13 AM
Joseph,

Thanks for that clarification. I didn't join until after I was certified so I didn't make the connection in pricing.

Eric

Darren Miller
11-26-2007, 07:17 AM
The $75 membership price is reserved for "Certified Inspectors", you must have passed an exam and have been certified by ICC to get that price. Members who are not Certified can join under the the "Professional" title which is $150 per year.

That's the new 'Duping of America', people are joining ICC as 'professionals'', displaying the ICC logo so unsuspecting consumers think they are hiring an ICC 'Certified' inspector.

Oh, the shame!

Darren
New Jersey Home Inspection - About the House! (http://www.aboutthehouseinspections.com)

as Frank would say, "don't you never try to look behind my eyes, you don't wanna know what they have seen."

Deleted Account
11-26-2007, 09:40 AM
That's the new 'Duping of America', people are joining ICC as 'professionals'', displaying the ICC logo so unsuspecting consumers think they are hiring an ICC 'Certified' inspector.

Oh, the shame!

Darren
New Jersey Home Inspection - About the House! (http://www.aboutthehouseinspections.com)

as Frank would say, "don't you never try to look behind my eyes, you don't wanna know what they have seen."



ICC logo use is something that cannot and should not be discussed here, ICC can & does dictate their own policy.

LICENSE GRANT (http://www.iccsafe.org/membership/logos/license-members.html)

ICC hereby grants a nonexclusive, nontransferable license to use the ICC Member logo in accordance with the following ICC Corporate Identification Guidelines:

Members - Members in good standing with the ICC may use the logo on brochures, advertisements, Web sites, business collateral and exhibit displays for the purpose of signifying their membership in or association with the ICC.

Click the link for more.

It does not appear that the use of the logo in any way signifies anything other than membership, certified inspectors can be found in another section of the board. Certification requires the passing of an exam followed up with continuing education over the course of holding that certificate.

Certified ICC Inspectors can be found here (http://www.iccsafe.org/e/certsearch.html). ICC Certification isn't for everyone, it is reserved for those inspectors who seek national recognition for their education, experience and construction knowledge, not all home inspectors are required to measure up.

Billy Stephens
11-26-2007, 10:12 AM
ICC logo use is something that cannot and should not be discussed here, ICC can & does dictate their own policy.


???? :)

Darren Miller
11-26-2007, 11:12 AM
ICC logo use is something that cannot and should not be discussed here, ICC can & does dictate their own policy.


Who left you in charge of what can be discussed on this board?

I know what ICC policy, you see, I am certified by the ICC as I know other people who frequent this board also are (including yourself).

What people may not be aware of (including consumers) is that other people are not certified by ICC, but are members. They use the ICC logo to show membership, hoping the consumer will think they are 'CERTIFIED'.

Another classic example of 'Duping of America'

Darren

New Jersey Home Inspection - About the House! (http://www.aboutthehouseinspections.com)

(just in case you want to check on my 'certifications')

NJ Home Inspector Lic # 24GI00019700
ICC Residential Building Inspector # 5261943-B2, M2
NJ UCC Building Inspector ICS # 009387
NJ UCC Construction Official
NJ UCC Building Sub Code Official
ASHI ® Member # 204319
Credentialed Wood Destroying Insect Inspector # 214
Radon Technician MET 10946

daniel nantell
11-26-2007, 01:23 PM
How does getting a ICC certificate help a home Inspector ??????

Dom D'Agostino
11-26-2007, 02:11 PM
ICC logo use is something that cannot and should not be discussed here, ICC can & does dictate their own policy.



Now that's funny, Joe. Where would you like us to discuss this?
:confused:

Seriously, what did you mean to say?
Dom.

Deleted Account
11-26-2007, 02:22 PM
Now that's funny, Joe. Where would you like us to discuss this?
:confused:

Seriously, what did you mean to say?
Dom.

I should have said it is useless to discuss ICC logo usage here because nothing that gets did iced here carries any weight with ICC and will effect no change.

On second thought that is the case with much of the posting that goes on here, Shakespeare had it right... a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Billy Stephens
11-26-2007, 02:31 PM
..... a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.


That's what I have been thinking all along. :)

Deleted Account
11-26-2007, 02:43 PM
That's what I have been thinking all along. :)

I see the shoe fits, tie the laces before you trip & fall on your face.

Billy Stephens
11-26-2007, 03:08 PM
I see the shoe fits, tie the laces before you trip & fall on your face.


Thanks for the advice Joe But I wear pull on boots.

Jerry Peck
11-26-2007, 03:22 PM
a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

As he stands there before the mirror talking to himself saying 'Mirror, Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, who is the ... of them all' ... "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" sounds like an excellent self description of you and your posts Joe.

"a tale told by an idiot,"
"full of sound and fury,"
"signifying nothing"

I must say, Joe, you sure did nail yourself rather perfectly with that description. :D

Deleted Account
11-26-2007, 03:44 PM
Actually Peck-er I was reading one of your old FABI articles when I wrote that. :D

Billy Stephens
11-26-2007, 03:51 PM
Actually Peck-er I was reading one of your old FABI articles when I wrote that. :D


Oh Joe,

That was Brilliant! :rolleyes:

Just admit you put your foot in your mouth.

Deleted Account
11-26-2007, 04:29 PM
Oh Joe,

That was Brilliant!


Thanks for the support, but riddle me this Billy J... Why would someone with absolutely no connection whatsoever with ICC spend so much time fussing over something he will never attain?

I realize you want to hang out with seasoned, experienced, certified inspectors, but someone as wet behind the ears as you would be better off spending your time gaining knowledge, as opposed to trying to show off in front of the boys.

Smart talk aside, even if you start today it will take you over a year to get your residential ICC Certifications (which by itself is no guarantee of success), by that time I would have held mine for three years.

Jim Luttrall
11-26-2007, 04:35 PM
How does getting a ICC certificate help a home Inspector ??????
Daniel, in Texas, there was a new law passed requiring all new homes constructed to be inspected even if outside the jurisdiction of a municipality.

Just one more area for home inspectors.
I think it would also be beneficial strictly from a marketing perspective.
Most inspectors that have certifications and licenses post that on their web sites just like you doctor has his diploma on the wall.
It does not prove anything, but it is an indicator of at least some amount of competency.

Deleted Account
11-26-2007, 04:51 PM
It does not prove anything, but it is an indicator of at least some amount of competency.



From the ICC Website (http://www.iccsafe.org/):

"Becoming ICC certified in one or more professional categories represents a significant accomplishment that offers national recognition of your achievement; increased earning and career advancement potential; and proof of your knowledge, technical expertise and commitment to protect public health safety and welfare. Becoming ICC certified can be achieved in most categories by successful completion of one or more examinations and by submitting additional documentation, when required. For information on the prestigious ICC Certification Program for Code Professionals click here (http://www.iccsafe.org/certification/2007/bulletin.html)."

The Residential Combination Inspectors Certificate known as R-5 requires successful passage of the following exams.

B1 - Residential Building
E1 - Residential Electric
M1 - Residential Mechanical
P1 - Residential Plumbing

Any home inspector holding an R-5 with verifiable education and experience would most likely be recognized as a home inspection expert.

The B1 exam is fairly easy for any seasoned home inspector who has paid attention for a few years to pass, but the rest require knowledge of the specific trade and especially the nomenclature associated associated with that trade, I personally believe this is a worthy goal for any home inspector to attain.

Billy Stephens
11-26-2007, 05:13 PM
I ... a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.


but riddle me this Billy J... Why would someone with absolutely no connection whatsoever with ICC

Joe,(Ain't You The ONE,)

If you were all of what you claim to be "Why Waste your time on the likes Me?"(uncertified and all)

Write a book,Get a talk show,Get Elected to Public Office to conform the World to Your will.

I don't know if your just a miserable,lonely old man or a nut case.(or both)

I do think all you are good at is FLAPPING YOUR LIPS!

Mike Schulz
11-26-2007, 05:37 PM
I haven't been able to frequent this board as mush as I would like to because of time constraints. But when I do you all make it worth while........:p

Jerry Peck
11-26-2007, 06:08 PM
Any home inspector holding an R-5 with verifiable education and experience would most likely be recognized as a home inspection expert.

"Expert"? Laughable.

Attained a certain amount of provable knowledge, sure. But don't go trying to think you are an "expert" with a lowly R-5 certification.

Sheesh! :rolleyes:

Deleted Account
11-26-2007, 06:24 PM
"Expert"? Laughable.

Attained a certain amount of provable knowledge, sure. But don't go trying to think you are an "expert" with a lowly R-5 certification.



Most home inspectors will never reach R-5 (hell most can't pass the NHIE) furthermore, why would any "home Inspector" seek any ICC status higher then the R-5, as all the rest of the higher certificates pertain to commercial buildings?

Personally, I was a state licensed master electrician for 18 years before coming to this profession but there is nothing lowly regarding the ICC R-5 designation, especially for "Home Inspectors".

Right now I am working on my Certification for Combination Building Inspector but that will have nothing to do with my existing residential status.

Billy Stephens
11-26-2007, 09:13 PM
I realize you want to hang out with seasoned, experienced, certified inspectors,


Hey Jeaanne R Burkeson.

Please explain if you have been in business sense 5-20-03,(the same year you claim to have passed the NHIE) you are such a seasoned,experienced inspector?

Please share your 4 years 6 months of Season. It is Jeaanne isn't it?

MiamiSunpost.com Home Page (http://www.miamisunpost.com)

Deleted Account
11-26-2007, 09:42 PM
Hey Jeanne R Burkeson.

Please explain if you have been in business sense 5-20-03,(the same year you claim to have passed the NHIE) you are such a seasoned,experienced inspector?

Please share your 4 years 6 months of Season. It is Jeanne isn't it?



Jeanne, owns the company (but when licensing comes, she will get a license), Me, I'm just an employee, but I have 25 years of construction experience, 18 as a state licensed master electrician before coming to this profession, what did you do 6 months ago and was it under golden arches?

In regards to the NHIE Exam I really didn't have to study, one day I just decided to become a home inspector and sat for the exam, what can I say the exam is geared to the 7th or 8th grade level? I mean if you can read you should be able to pass.

See, the problem with guys like you is you have no history, no website and no past, you are like a ghost so from me you get no respect. Me, I'm all out front got nothing to hide and don't care what you or anyone else thinks, I only listen to the voices in my own head La-La-La-La-La I-Can't-hear-you La-La-La-La.

Everyone needs an outlet to experiment on. Nothing that goes on here is reality or has any real meaning, this place merely represents a mental playground for me and you are just one of my simple playmates. Do you want to play a game? :)

As a child I was incorrigible, now I just do whatever I want, whenever I want to do it, and there is no one to stop me! :D

In the 4 years 6 months I've been here, guys like you have come & gone by the hundreds Guys like you don't last long, but I'm still here bucause... I came to play & I'm here to stay, get used to it. ;)

Billy Stephens
11-26-2007, 09:59 PM
Jeanne, owns the company (but when licensing comes, she will get a license),

I only listen to the voices in my own head La-La-La-La-La I-Can't-hear-you La-La-La-La.

Everyone needs an outlet to experiment on. Nothing that goes on here is reality

Do you want to play a game? :)

... I came to play & I'm here to stay, get used to it. ;)

Gosh Jeaanne R Burkeson has the same background as you (published on your site).

The Miami Sun Post interview sounds like you were in favor of Home Inspector Licensing?

So your saying nothing here is reality,( your just Cyber Puff Pigeoning?)

Oh I think I get it.

Deleted Account
11-26-2007, 11:30 PM
Gosh Jeanne R Burkeson has the same background as you (published on your site).


No Billy it is just that you are reading challenged, look again (http://www.square-oneinspection.com/4x/aboutus.html), a bit more education and you wouldn't make simple mistakes like this..



Oh I think I get it.



Billy,

This substance of this universe is chaos and it's foundation is uncertainty, so much so that the mere act of observation changes what was observed. Based on that revelation... I discovered a long time ago that things are what I decide them to be regardless of how loud someone like you shouts otherwise.

None of this will matter in a hundred years and no one here gets out alive. So... Billy fess up did your last job have golden arches?

Here is the kicker... when people pay attention to me they really pay.

Joe.

Billy Stephens
11-26-2007, 11:56 PM
No Billy it is just that you are reading challenged, look again (http://www.square-oneinspection.com/4x/aboutus.html).






Billy,

This substance of this universe is chaos and it's foundation is uncertainty, so much so that the mere act of observation changes what was observed. Based on that revelation... I discovered a long time ago that things are what I decide them to be regardless of how loud someone like you shouts otherwise.

None of this will matter in a hundred years and no one here gets out alive. So... Billy fess up did your last job have golden arches?

Here is the kicker... when people pay attention to me they really pay.

Joe.


Your right Joe,

President Jeanne R. Burkeson,(seems like a nice lady)

You Decided! And thats, that hun? Sorry Joe life doesn't work that way.

Nobody is perfect Joe. Get off your stump every now and then. If your wrong admit it OOps ain't so bad.

As far as the kicker goes OH PLEASE!!!!

Deleted Account
11-27-2007, 07:03 AM
Sorry Joe life doesn't work that way.

Nobody is perfect Joe. Get off your stump every now and then. If your wrong admit it OOps ain't so bad.



Dear Billy Sunday, (my new moniker for you)

You have rocked my world, 53 years of life searching for the truth and now I read the profound pros in your last post. Crushed am I, defeated, morose and bout near suicidal, you have won you silver tongued devil. Uncle I cry, Uncle!

Yes, yes say it isn't so dammit, I finally agree with you, I must, it is the only right thing to do, the children must be protected... Ok, Ok already, here goes I Joseph T. Burkeson admit (there I said it) that you are wrong! :D

Thanks, I truly feel better now, somehow cleansed, how bout you? :)


Joe (I-Have-Seen-The-Light) Burkeson ;)


PS: Can I send you some money or anything?

Billy Stephens
11-27-2007, 07:39 AM
Thanks, I truly feel better now, somehow cleansed, how bout you? :)


Good Morning Joe,

I feel great with no hang over.

It appears you have semi-sobered up this morning.


What time does your Liquor Store open ?


.

Deleted Account
11-27-2007, 08:02 AM
Good Morning Joe,

I feel great with no hang over.

It appears you have semi-sobered up this morning.


What time does your Liquor Store open ?




Dear Billy Sunday,

I realize that you rank up there with some of history's most well respected philosophers (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eE7Fe1cGLPk) like Immanuel Kant, John Stuart Mill, Heidegger & Nietzsche (of course today we spell it NACHI (http://www.nachi.org/)), but this is a thread dedicated to ICC. Is there anything you can contribute regarding ICC Certification, maybe you could share with us your study techniques or some of your crib notes?

BTW No matter how much I drink, the next day I'll be sober and you my friend will still be IQ challenged. :)

Billy Stephens
11-27-2007, 08:21 AM
NACHI (http://www.nachi.org/)), but this is a thread dedicated to ICC.

BTW No matter how much I drink, the next day I'll be sober and you my friend will still be IQ challenged. :)


Thread Drift?

And I thought this like every other one of your post was all about YOU, or your Boss.

Go put that Cold wash cloth back on your head and keep telling your self you can Quit
any time you want too.

Deleted Account
11-27-2007, 12:28 PM
Dear Billy Sunday,

I am glad that we agree that regardless of my state of sobriety you will always remain an imbecile.

Now can we get back to something you know nothing about... Home Inspecting and ICC Certification?

Billy Stephens
11-27-2007, 12:59 PM
Now can we get back to something you know nothing about... Home Inspecting and ICC Certification?

Joe,

You have the floor Lay It on Us.

SEE BELOW

Deleted Account
11-27-2007, 02:21 PM
Joe,

You have the floor Lay It on Us.


Regarding IRC Certification I view myself as an adviser and will be willing to answer any questions regarding study techniques, exam strategy and expanding market-share through IRC Certification.

Looking back, apart from my lively banter with you my other posts on this thread have coalesced around my first-hand knowledge regarding IRC Certification and see no reason to change my tactics now, thanks just the same.

Mike Schulz
11-27-2007, 04:58 PM
Am I on the Jerry Springer web site...............:confused:

I have been doing inspections for 12 years and still theres much to learn. Wall hangers or not it is the persons knowledge from learning from others that will dictate what type of inspector you will be (as long as you have some type of personality). Yes it would be great if all home inspectors had 30 years experience (like me) in the field to see what works and what doesn't but that is not going to happen. So learn from this board as well as others and you should be OK. :cool:

Let me put it another way, wall hangers is good to get customers but doesn't mean squat to people like us because we all know they screw up just like the next person.
Ive personally went toe to toe with electricians, GC, plumbers, AHJ, etc. and prevailed. But I also taken a few on the chin. Makes me a better inspector.

So if your a burger flipper or not it's what you learn from these guys on this board and others that will make you stand the test of time.

But on a lighter note I hope I don't inspect the same home you do (Rookies) because I'll eat you alive........:eek: .....:) And guys like Jerry will have me for breakfast. Got to love it...............

Deleted Account
12-11-2007, 02:53 PM
Silly question , here,

What version of the IRC are you tested on by ICC, is it the 2006 IRC or do they regionalize the test (say if your city is governed by the 2000IRC)?





Hi Jeff,

There are no silly questions, the test is given on the 2006 IRC (http://www.iccsafe.org/certification/).

Joe Burkeson

Jerry Peck
12-11-2007, 06:15 PM
It's a 3 year code cycle, the next ICC codes should be the 2009 codes.

Your ICC certification does not matter or depend on what codes you were tested on, you need to keep your continuing education up and get 45 hours every 3 years. If the code mattered, some of mine were taken on the 1994 Standard Building Codes when it was SBCCI, the rest on the 1997 Standard Codes, and my Plans Examiner on the 2006 ICC Codes.

Just keep your ICC certification renewed every 3 years (once certified, you are always certified, you don't lose that, but states and AHJ may not recognize your certifications if not kept current).

Mark Mustola
12-13-2007, 07:37 AM
Whats the differance between ICC and the old ICBO. Is ICBO obsolite or is it part of the ICC?

Jerry Peck
12-13-2007, 09:12 AM
Whats the differance between ICC and the old ICBO. Is ICBO obsolite or is it part of the ICC?

The ICBO, BOCA, Uniform, and Standard codes all joined together to become the ICC and produced the 2000 ICC codes. I know the last Standard Codes were 1997, not sure about the others.

However, some areas may still be using older editions of the code, which could mean that some places are still on those codes. I believe CA was still using the Uniform Plumbing Code until recently.

Jerry McCarthy
12-13-2007, 10:53 AM
The vast knowledge required by professional Real Estate Inspectors like all knowledge is absolutely endless and by the time you think you know a reasonable amount of it you’re to old to climb a ladder or crawl under a house.

ICBO; International Conference of Building Officials. Web site closed, see ICC web site. Welcome to the International Code Council (ICC): Your source for building safety products and services and the International Codes (http://www.iccsafe.org)

SBCCI: Southern Building Code Congress International. Web site closed, see ICC web site. Welcome to the International Code Council (ICC): Your source for building safety products and services and the International Codes (http://www.iccsafe.org)

ICC: International Code Council. Welcome to the International Code Council (ICC): Your source for building safety products and services and the International Codes (http://www.iccsafe.org)

UBC, UMC, UPC; Uniform Building Code, Uniform Mechanical Code, Uniform Plumbing Code. (UMC & UPC by the International Association of Plumbing and Mechanical Officials: IAPMO). International Association of Plumbing & Mechanical Officials (IAPMO) - Business/Organization Participant Highlight - Volunteer - Volunteers for Prosperity (http://www.volunteersforprosperity.gov/busorg/profiles/international-association-plumbingmechanical-officials.htm)

CABO; Council of American Building Officials: Amalgamation of BOCA: Building Officials and Code Administrators International, ICBO: International Conference of Building Officials, and SBCCI: Southern Building Code Congress International.
CABO One and Two Family Dwelling Code and CABO Model Energy Code (http://www.bookmarki.com/CABO-Codes-s/155.htm)

Of Interest for code rats: International Code Council: Welcome to the International Code Council (ICC): Your source for building safety products and services and the International Codes (http://www.iccsafe.org) - International Association Electrical Inspectors: International Association of Electrical Inspectors - Working for Peoples' Safety (http://www.iaei.org) - International Association Plumbing & Mechanical Officials: IAPMO Group (http://www.iapmo.org) - CA State Architects Office; default (http://www.dsa.dgs.ca.gov) - CA Energy Commission: CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION HOMEPAGE (http://www.energy.ca.gov) - National Roofing Contractors Association: Home page | NRCA, National Roofing Contractors Association (http://www.nrca.net) - National Fire Protection Association: NFPA (http://www.nfpa.org) - Smoke Safety Council: www.somkesafety.org (http://www.somkesafety.org) - Underwriters Laboratory: Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (http://www.ul.com) - Gypsum Association: Gypsum Association - Home (http://www.gypsum.org) - National Institute of Standards and Technology: National Institute of Standards and Technology (http://www.nist.gov) - American National Standards Institute: American National Standards Institute - ANSI (http://www.ansi.org) - American Standards for Testing and Materials: American National Standards Institute - ANSI (http://www.ansi.org) - National Conference of States and Building Codes and Standards: - NCSBCS Homepage (http://www.ncsbcs.org) - American Iron and Steel Institute: AISI | Steelworks Home (http://www.steel.org) - American Society of Mechanical Engineers: American Society Of Mechanical Engineers - ASME.ORG (http://www.asme.org) - American Society of Heating Refrigeration and Air Cond. Engineers: ASHRAE (http://www.ashrae.org) - American Society of Civil Engineers: www.asce.org (http://www.asce.org) - American Institute of Architects: The American Institute of Architects - Good Design, Architect, Knowledge (http://www.aia.org) - American Concrete Institute: http://www.concrete.org/ (http://www.concrete.org/) - Portland Cement Association: PCA - The Portland Cement Association (http://www.cement.org) - Precast Concrete Institute: www.pci.org- (http://www.pci.org-) National Concrete Masonry Association: ..:: MBMA - Home ::.. (http://www.mbma.com) - Western Wood Products Association: www.wwpa.org (http://www.wwpa.org) - TrusJoist: iLevel by Weyerhaeuser - The leading provider of structural framing materials and finishing products for residential and commercial applications. (http://www.trusjoist.com) - ADA Resources: ADA Document Portal (http://www.adaportal.org) - National Association of Home Builders: National Association of Home Builders (http://www.nahb.org) - Construction Specifications Institute: www.csinet.org/scsi/index.asp (http://www.csinet.org/scsi/index.asp) - International Organization for Standardization: ISO - Page not found (http://www.iso.ch/iso/en/ISOOnline.openerpage) - Duro-Shield Roof Systems Commercial Roofing System Single-ply membrane roofing system - Duro-Last Roofing, Inc. (http://www.duro-last.com/) - http://127.0.0.1:4664/cache?event_id=78202&schema_id=6&q=SBCCI&s=L87dKQzAuW7aStMlfOKOZoF2kWU

PS: IMHO if you're really serious about being a pro you will get ICC certified as a "Combination Residential Dwelling Inspector" ASAP.

Deleted Account
12-13-2007, 11:04 AM
PS: IMHO if you're really serious about being a pro you will get ICC certified as a "Combination Residential Dwelling Inspector" ASAP.



I agree, but no doubt Peck, will come down hard on you for your statement, he equates being an R-5 with just being a novice, still wet behind the ears. A true pro knows how many angels can dance on a GFIC, and brother you won't get that from simply reading a code book. :)

Eric Shuman
12-13-2007, 11:52 AM
Jerry Mc,

Thanks for the post/links. Some good stuff there!

Eric

Jerry Peck
12-13-2007, 12:05 PM
I agree, but no doubt Peck, will come down hard on you for your statement,

Incorrect assumption there. I believe all home inspectors should get ALL the ICC certifications they can, starting with the residential ones.


he equates being an R-5 with just being a novice, still wet behind the ears.

Nope, only those who brag about being R-5 and that it means they are better than anyone else AND state that being a home inspector with an R-5 means you will be considered an "expert". To that, yeah, that's wrong, R-5 is just the beginning, i.e., "beginner" ... *not* and "expert".

I encouraged SBCCI certifications back when it was SBCCI (in the south where I was and am) and then encouraged ICC certification once the ICC was formed from the various model code agencies. I still encourage it.

Just don't start thinking (and bragging) that an R-5 makes you considered an "expert".

Jerry Peck
12-13-2007, 12:10 PM
and by the time you think you know a reasonable amount of it you’re ...

... you realize there will never be enough time to learn the reasonable amount you thought you knew. :(

Because ... 'the more you know, the more you know you don't know'. :D


International Organization for Standardization: ISO - Page not found (http://www.iso.ch/iso/en/ISOOnline.openerpage)

Try this: ISO - International Organization for Standardization (http://www.iso.org/iso/home.htm)

Deleted Account
12-13-2007, 03:48 PM
Because ... 'the more you know, the more you know you don't know'.



There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. - Can't remember who said this, it was either Jerry Rumsfeld or Donald Peck. :)

Jerry Peck's quest is learning more & more about less & less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. :D

Jerry Peck
12-13-2007, 04:29 PM
Jerry Peck's quest is learning more & more about less & less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. :D

That's an engineer. :)

I'm a contractor. ;)

Deleted Account
12-13-2007, 08:23 PM
That's an engineer. :)

I'm a contractor. ;)



Touche' :)

Mark Mustola
12-14-2007, 09:54 AM
Jerry and Jerry, thank you both for your replys. The reason I ask, is that an inspector in my area makes a big deal out of being ICBO certified. I do believe at one time he was but when I go to the ICC website I can not find his name as a member so I would assume he has not kept he membership/certifacation up to date.

Do you know if old ICBO credentials carrired over to ICC when the organizations merged?

Jerry Peck
12-14-2007, 09:03 PM
Do you know if old ICBO credentials carrired over to ICC when the organizations merged?

You had to apply to the ICC for the new ICC matching certifications, which were given on a one-to-one basis depending on what your previous certifications were.

If you did not apply, you did not get an ICC certification. I don't know if the ICC will still do that to old certifications, unless maybe their continuing education requirements have been met and kept up, it's only 15 hours per year/45 hours every three years (you don't need 15 hours every year, you can get them all at once, it's the 45 hours in 3 years which counts).

Darren Miller
12-15-2007, 07:01 AM
There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. - Can't remember who said this, it was either Jerry Rumsfeld or Donald Peck. :)

Jerry Peck's quest is learning more & more about less & less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. :D

You know Joe, your a total disappointment. Someone with your background (electrical contractor) should be on this board answering questions and helping people on electrical and other areas. Instead, all of your posts usually end with you calling someone a name or bashing them because they don't see your point of view.

Knowing what you do about electrical and now code issues; turn that knowledge into helping others instead of getting into knock-down brawls.

Just one mans opinion.


Darren

New Jersey Home Inspection - About the House! (http://www.aboutthehouseinspections.com)

Deleted Account
12-15-2007, 09:01 AM
Knowing what you do about electrical and now code issues; turn that knowledge into helping others instead of...



I do that, just not here, the software & class material my partner & I have developed has helped scores of home inspectors become ICC Certified, I also teach within my local ASHI chapter and my partner is President of Florida NACHI where he teaches.

Here on this message board though the lessons are political as opposed to technical, I feel that my job here is to present and challenge others to see beyond the association rhetoric and think freely, especially in regards to home inspector licensing. It is a thankless task, but someone must do it, so save your disappointment for your children.

Darren... By the way, what exit? :)

Darren Miller
12-15-2007, 09:31 AM
so save your disappointment for your children.


See, there you go again... trying to stir the pot.

I have nothing to be disappointed about my childdren. My son just got promoted and is working in the corporate headquarters of A & P.

My daughter has been on the Dean's list all 4 years of college. Next semister she graduates as a radiologist.

Billy Stephens
12-15-2007, 10:05 AM
I do that, just not here, the software & class material my partner & I have developed has helped scores of home inspectors become ICC Certified,

Darren,

Joe's on this thread to pedal his soft ware & classes.

And Brags on his (just not here inter-NACHI) board about his current RANTS here.

Maybe you over estimate capabilities ;).

Jerry McCarthy
12-15-2007, 10:32 AM
The timing on this subject is interesting as I just got my ICC certification 3 year renewal notice in yesterday’s mail. I scanned some of the materials so that it may help others understand what their current protocol is. It appears that coming up with the CEUs is a piece of cake as in the old days we had to take a short exam and pass it for renewal. As a building code instructor for 14 years I have also helped, prodded and cajoled many of my students into getting themselves ICC certified and in the jurisdictional world that's a must. I've long held the belief that all serious private section inspectors should at least attempt obtaining certifications as it's certainly not rocket science, but show professional intent and absolutely will result in making one a more knowledgeable real estate inspector, not better, just more knowledgeable. Knowledge is the main ingredient for success, but only when you know how and when to employ it.

Deleted Account
12-15-2007, 11:40 AM
Joe's on this thread to pedal his soft ware & classes



Billy Sunday,

If that were the case you would be able to catch me lowering standards in an attempt to sell folks like you educational products, mark my word... That will never happen, besides you ain't got enough money. ;)

I mean the idea of selling educational products to blockheads like you is quite tempting because folks like you are a veritable bonanza of unending free money, taking course after course and never achieving anything, but that would take away from those who will still be here next year. :D

No, I am here to share my ideas in regards to the ideals of free thinking and the sham of home inspector licensing, nothing more or less.


Joe.

Billy Stephens
12-15-2007, 12:15 PM
Thanks Joe,

I wouldn't want you to TAKE Advantage of anyone just to make a quick Buck.:rolleyes:

Maybe You could do an Infomercial and offer other products as well to benefit Mankind.:)
.
.

Deleted Account
12-16-2007, 12:30 PM
Maybe You could do an Infomercial and offer other products as well to benefit Mankind.


Why would I do that? I have no respect for any message board that would allow me to post anyway. :)


Hooray and up she rises! Hooray and up she rises! Hooray and up she rises Early in the morning! (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg_ZCPW5uUU)

Billy Stephens
12-16-2007, 03:47 PM
[quote=Joseph Burkeson;27489]... I have no respect .../quote]

Understood,
.
.

Clay White
12-30-2007, 01:05 PM
Question for you guys who have taken the ICC cert exams:

Do you recall if in the test question(s), a table is specifically referenced in the question for you to look up or do you have to find the table on your own....just curious...I'm studying right now to take the Residential, B1 exam.

thanks,

Deleted Account
12-30-2007, 04:37 PM
Question for you guys who have taken the ICC cert exams:

Do you recall if in the test question(s), a table is specifically referenced in the question for you to look up or do you have to find the table on your own....just curious...I'm studying right now to take the Residential, B1 exam.

thanks,




You will need to find the table on your own. Before the exam I created a Table Index listing the Table & page in the code book it was located then inserted this index into my 3-ring binder code book, you might want to do the same.

Good luck with the B1!

Clay White
12-31-2007, 04:01 PM
You will need to find the table on your own. Before the exam I created a Table Index listing the Table & page in the code book it was located then inserted this index into my 3-ring binder code book, you might want to do the same.

Good luck with the B1!

Thanks, Joseph...

Good idea about the index!

By the way, I noticed that ICC says 17% of the questions on B1 will be on Public Safety, however, I don't see anything in the IRC 2006 about public safety or in the study guide. What am I missing?

Clay White
01-02-2008, 04:14 PM
Hey Joe,

You be around? I'm curious if there is anything in the IRC 2006 about Public Safety as I the IRC B1 exam said there will be many questions on it but yet I don't see it in the IRC.

Jerry McCarthy
01-02-2008, 05:32 PM
I think you mean "occupant safety" and I suggest you thoroughly read 2006 IRC Chapter 3.
Good luck.

Richard Stanley
01-04-2008, 08:49 AM
The whole code is for public safety.

Brandon Chew
01-04-2008, 08:07 PM
Clay,

Go here: ICC Online | Certification & Testing (http://www.iccsafe.org/certification/inspector/b1C.html)
Scroll down to the bottom to the section titled Public Safety and you will see a list of the things you need to know. As Jerry M pointed out, you'll find those things in Chapter 3 of the IRC.

Brandon