CSST Bonding Specifications Timeline

[Aaron Miller]

Is anyone aware of the existence of a definitive bonding specifications timeline for CSST?

[Lon Henderson]

I don't know about "specifications" but Lubbock started requiring the ground bond in 2007. I am unaware of any definitive or official "bond CSST now" deadline.

[Jerry Peck]

The official 'timeline' would be the earliest of:
- a requirement in the code
- a requirement in the manufacturer's installation instructions

[Jim Robinson]

We usually have WardFlex here, if we have CSST. My document that I use has a date of Sept. 2008.

[Aaron Miller]

The official 'timeline' would be the earliest of:
- a requirement in the code
- a requirement in the manufacturer's installation instructions

I did not use quotation marks for the term timeline because it does not require them. I meant it literally as it is most often defined as a table listing important events for successive years within a particular historical period. Events over successive years include more than just a beginning point, last time I looked.

Thus, a definitive timeline of bonding specifications would necessarily have more than just one code requirement. As codes change over time so do their stated requirements. A timeline (or time line, if you wish) includes multiple events over a span of time. But then, you knew all that, right? Ever the instigator, Peck. :p

So then, from its introduction to this country in around 1990 through the present, the bonding specifications for this material have changed. I am attempting to piece together a chronological list of those changes in the writing of a paper I intend to submit to the Texas Congress, TDI, TREC, et al. I was actually hoping to find some info here, and not a debate.

But, I am always prepared for one when I come here . . .:o

[Jim Luttrall]

I don't know of specific time line but from memory there was a 5 year period of class action funding for bonding retrofit that had expired or was about to expire around the time I found out about the problem with CSST around 2005-2007 (again this is from memory, which is very fallible these days.)

This from http://triblive.com/business/headlines/4139270-74/tubing-stainless-lawsuits

From 1996 to August 2011, 141 fires involving lightning and corrugated stainless steel tubing were reported in the United States, according to a report by the Fire Protection Foundation of Quincy, Mass., cited in the lawsuits.
There have been other class-action lawsuits nationwide. One in Arkansas in 2004 against Titeflex and other manufacturers was settled with Titeflex agreeing to pay for installation of a lightning protection system or grounding of its product, according to the lawsuit.

Another interesting bit of history although not a direct answer to your question.
http://www.selectinspect.com/pdf/FRISCO%20Gas%20pipe%20ban.pdf

Another bit of info with useable references on the subject
http://lightning.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/09_Presentation-Morgan-CSSTs.pdf

[Aaron Miller]

I don't know of specific time line but from memory there was a 5 year period of class action funding for bonding retrofit that had expired or was about to expire around the time I found out about the problem with CSST around 2005-2007 (again this is from memory, which is very fallible these days.)

This from http://triblive.com/business/headlines/4139270-74/tubing-stainless-lawsuits


Another interesting bit of history although not a direct answer to your question.
http://www.selectinspect.com/pdf/FRISCO%20Gas%20pipe%20ban.pdf

Another bit of info with useable references on the subject
http://lightning.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/09_Presentation-Morgan-CSSTs.pdf

Jim:

All useful information. Thanks.

[Jerry Peck]

So then, from its introduction to this country in around 1990 through the present, the bonding specifications for this material have changed. I am attempting to piece together a chronological list of those changes in the writing of a paper I intend to submit to the Texas Congress, TDI, TREC, et al. I was actually hoping to find some info here, and not a debate.

But, I am always prepared for one when I come here . . .:o


Had you stated what your stated purpose was, writing an article versus information for an inspection, then we would have understood your intended use of the term timeline - there is a difference between a timeline for one specific installation and a timeline for bonding requirements since introduction.

Always willing to reply with the information asked for ... when that information is known, which includes the use of that information. :cool:

[Aaron Miller]

Had you stated what your stated purpose was, writing an article versus information for an inspection, then we would have understood your intended use of the term timeline - there is a difference between a timeline for one specific installation and a timeline for bonding requirements since introduction.

Always willing to reply with the information asked for ... when that information is known, which includes the use of that information. :cool:

Classic Peckian logic.