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Sam Morris
09-21-2017, 05:31 PM
I have seen this in older homes mostly (compromised footing) but this was on a 1970 model home. It looked to me the grade below the footing has been cut out incorrectly straight down not at a 45 degree angle like it should be. Anyone have any knowledge in this area.

Jerry Peck
09-21-2017, 05:58 PM
Looking at the 4th photo as representative of what the others are also like, but not showing it, the 4th photo shows a block stem wall, either one course high or the top course of multiple courses - the footing would be below that, and the support for the footing would be at the bottom of the footing ... which means it depends on a few things, including: first and foremost - how far down is the bottom of the footing; followed by - what is its support (the soil/rock).

If rock, then if it possible that the rock could be cut straight down at the edge of the footing (a bit foolish perhaps, but it should work).

If soil, then it would depend on the angle of repose of the soil type, and if not known, then the 45 degree angle is typically a 'safe bet' as that places the load on the bottom of the footing down and out up to 45 degrees from the edges of the footing.

Sam Morris
09-21-2017, 06:03 PM
Looking at the 4th photo as representative of what the others are also like, but not showing it, the 4th photo shows a block stem wall, either one course high or the top course of multiple courses - the footing would be below that, and the support for the footing would be at the bottom of the footing ... which means it depends on a few things, including: first and foremost - how far down is the bottom of the footing; followed by - what is its support (the soil/rock).

If rock, then if it possible that the rock could be cut straight down at the edge of the footing (a bit foolish perhaps, but it should work).

If soil, then it would depend on the angle of repose of the soil type, and if not known, then the 45 degree angle is typically a 'safe bet' as that places the load on the bottom of the footing down and out up to 45 degrees from the edges of the footing.
The top of the dirt mound looks like it had maybe 4" of concrete

John Kogel
09-21-2017, 06:51 PM
Good call. That is actually a serious issue that just hasn't manifested itself yet. The house is in danger of at least partially falling into that pit.

As a remedy, I would suggest rebar, concrete forms and then pumped in concrete to build a continuous retaining wall where the dirt was dug away.

(For a small job, ready mix concrete can be laid up like sandbags. Wet the bags and the concrete hardens in place.)

Jerry Peck
09-22-2017, 06:34 AM
The top of the dirt mound looks like it had maybe 4" of concrete

If that is all which is under the block shown in the photo - I would not refer to it as a footing because it wouldn't meet the requirements for a footing.

Making the issue even worse.

Recommend that a structural engineer design appropriate repairs, then after the repairs are completed, the same engineer to issue a signed and sealed engineer's letter stating that the repairs were completed in accordance with the engineering design (which likely means that the engineer would need to inspect the work while it was being done).

Claude Lawrenson
09-22-2017, 12:03 PM
It's known as "angle of repose".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNwl2Cg780

Jerry Peck
09-22-2017, 01:37 PM
Here are two more (the first one is the better one, I think):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0kP5ZNRaLA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jgdC4mEvYo