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Donald Stauffer
12-05-2017, 10:20 PM
Did inspection on upgraded home. Bathroom receptacles had a tag attached on each which said it was GFCI protected. Outlets wouldn't trip. No master anywhere, including in the electrical panel. Is this a scam, or legit?

Roy Lewis
12-06-2017, 05:57 AM
Is this a scam, or legit?
It is an issue that needs to be corrected.

Don Hawley
12-06-2017, 06:30 AM
Did inspection on upgraded home. Bathroom receptacles had a tag attached on each which said it was GFCI protected. Outlets wouldn't trip. No master anywhere, including in the electrical panel. Is this a scam, or legit?

People hide GFCI's in the strangest places but all you can do is report it as not working if you can't find it. I lucked out once and heard the GFCI trip but couldn't find it: owner had to show it was in the closet of the adjoining room behind stacks of boxes.

Jerry Peck
12-06-2017, 07:06 AM
If it doesn't trip with your GFCI tester, then report that it did not trip with your GFCI tester, that there is a label stating it us GFCI protected but no GFCI device was found - an electrical contractor needs locate the GFCI device that the "GFCI protected" label is referring to, replace that GFCI device, then document that the receptacle outlet in question is properly GFCI protected.

You can suggest replacing the receptacle outlet with a GFCI device receptacle outlet.

Jim Port
12-06-2017, 08:37 AM
You said updated, but was the wiring grounded? If not the feeder will not trip the gfi.

Donald Stauffer
12-06-2017, 01:24 PM
If it doesn't trip with your GFCI tester, then report that it did not trip with your GFCI tester, that there is a label stating it us GFCI protected but no GFCI device was found - an electrical contractor needs locate the GFCI device that the "GFCI protected" label is referring to, replace that GFCI device, then document that the receptacle outlet in question is properly GFCI protected.

You can suggest replacing the receptacle outlet with a GFCI device receptacle outlet.

Thanks, Jerry. You put the exact words in my mouth I was hoping to report.

Jerry Peck
12-06-2017, 02:55 PM
You said updated, but was the wiring grounded? If not the feeder will not trip the gfi.


Thanks, Jerry. You put the exact words in my mouth I was hoping to report.

Jim gave a reason to not immediately presume, and state, "not GFCI protected" in your report, one of the reasons I said to " locate the GFCI device that the "GFCI protected" label is referring to, replace that GFCI device," - and I thought about adding "as necessary" but did not to keep my reply shorter ... and, alas, Jim pointed out why I should have added that. I seem to regret trying to keep posts shorter more often than I regret writing 'War and Peace' posts, oh well ... ;)

If it was a GFCI breaker in the panel, you would have seen that, but ... as Jim was pointing out, a GFCI tester will not trip a GFCI device on an ungrounded system which was updated to grounding-type receptacle outlets - you need to find the GFCI device being referred to (and, yes, the sticker may be fake, but it may not be fake too).

Donald Stauffer
12-07-2017, 11:24 AM
Jim gave a reason to not immediately presume, and state, "not GFCI protected" in your report, one of the reasons I said to " locate the GFCI device that the "GFCI protected" label is referring to, replace that GFCI device," - and I thought about adding "as necessary" but did not to keep my reply shorter ... and, alas, Jim pointed out why I should have added that. I seem to regret trying to keep posts shorter more often than I regret writing 'War and Peace' posts, oh well ... ;)

If it was a GFCI breaker in the panel, you would have seen that, but ... as Jim was pointing out, a GFCI tester will not trip a GFCI device on an ungrounded system which was updated to grounding-type receptacle outlets - you need to find the GFCI device being referred to (and, yes, the sticker may be fake, but it may not be fake too).

Thanks guys. I added, "as necessary", Jerry. Also thanks to Jim, I made a note in report about it may be ungrounded, but still should be verified by an electrical person.

Jack Feldmann
12-07-2017, 02:04 PM
You should know if the outlet you tested was grounded or not.

Not all GFCI's will trip with an outlet tester 100% of the time. I have found some GFCI outlets would not trip with my tester, but would trip if I pushed the "test" button.

Electricians put them in strange places, and we all waste a lot of time looking for them. Just today I found the garage circuit was controlled by a GFCI in the laundry room (next to sink). and the exterior outlets were controlled by a basement bathroom GFCI.

Roy Lewis
12-07-2017, 03:38 PM
It seems like everyone has miss the OP post..
"Outlets wouldn't trip"
They should have tripped the GFCI down stream. OK?
It is an issue refer it.

Jerry Peck
12-07-2017, 05:32 PM
Outlets wouldn't trip. No master anywhere,


It seems like everyone has miss the OP post..
"Outlets wouldn't trip"
They should have tripped the GFCI down stream. OK?
It is an issue refer it.

Roy,

Seems that you may have missed the above part in the original post ... and why what you stated is not correct ... unless you meant to state the following 'when using the TEST button on the GFCI device ... which the OP indicated he couldn't find (maybe you missed that part too?).

ROBERT YOUNG
12-07-2017, 05:39 PM
What about these GFCI receptacles? How do you report them?
http://www.inspectionnews.net/home_inspection/attachment.php?attachmentid=33732&stc=1

Jerry Peck
12-07-2017, 06:59 PM
What about these GFCI receptacles? How do you report them?

In what way and about what?

Missing cover?

Not TR, not WR?

That there are two side by side (is there a problem with that?).

Etc.

You need to be more specific about what you are asking about.

ROBERT YOUNG
12-09-2017, 01:18 PM
In what way and about what?

Missing cover?

Not TR, not WR?

That there are two side by side (is there a problem with that?).

Etc.

You need to be more specific about what you are asking about.

Nothing wrong. Just wanted to show the viewers a GFI meant for river Mooring.