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Sam Morris
09-11-2018, 03:00 PM
Would this basement electrical panel install be considered a wet or damp location since its mounted on a block wall that is not underground were its installed ? Panel does not have plywood behind it to create that 1/4 air gap- space from the wall that's stated in the IRC 2012 code book (this county is going by the 2012 code) ??

Gunnar Alquist
09-11-2018, 04:55 PM
Would this basement electrical panel install be considered a wet or damp location since its mounted on a block wall that is not underground were its installed ? Panel does not have plywood behind it to create that 1/4 air gap- space from the wall that's stated in the IRC 2012 code book (this county is going by the 2012 code) ??

Sam,

Most surface-mounted panel enclosures that I have seen have little dimples that hold the rear wall of the enclosure away from the wall. It kind of looks like there is a small space between the panel and the block, but I can't tell for sure.

If the wall does not get wet, then it seems to me this is not a wet location.

Jim Port
09-11-2018, 08:12 PM
The required space is built into the panel back.

See the NEC for the definition of location, wet and location, damp.

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The required space is built into the panel back.

See the NEC for the definition of location, wet and location, damp.

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The required space is built into the panel back.

See the NEC for the definition of location, wet and location, damp.

ROBERT YOUNG
09-19-2018, 03:53 AM
Can the CMU wall become damp or wet.

Typically, I see boxes/enclosures mounted on plywood substrate secured to CMU.

312.2(A) requires the gap, at least 6mm/1/4" inch, if it is in a damp/wet location.
This a crawlspace?

Cables are not installed correctly. Article 334.30 states: secured within 12" inches of the box/enclosure, equipped with cable clamps.
Exceptions. 314:17(c) nonmetallic boxes, to which the image is not.

Jerry Peck
09-19-2018, 05:09 AM
A better photo (higher resolution and better focus) would help.

I think I see the standoff mounting dimples which space the back of the enclosure 1/4" out from the surface of the wall ...

... and I think I see greenish/blueish concrete fasteners installed NOT IN THOSE LOCATIONS ...

... which pulls the back of the enclosure tight to the wall.

Elizabeth Chambers
09-22-2018, 03:47 PM
Off question, but I agree with Robert: Quote

{Cables are not installed correctly. Article 334.30 states: secured within 12" inches of the box/enclosure, equipped with cable clamps.}

Jerry Peck
09-22-2018, 05:06 PM
Surprising (not really) that two HIs called out, and gave a code reference for, not properly secured, but neither called out the not maintaining spacing (actually full blown bundling).