Thread: What's the deal with NACHI?

Originally Posted by Ken Rowe

When you quoted me you forgot to include the following sentence.
"If you want to become a truely Certified Inspector you should have to work for it."

Too many people want things given to them for free and with little work. For those people NACHI is the right association.

Work for what?
I can hang 100 logos on my site and the only one that counts is the one I designed for my business.

I had two guys doing Inspections in front of me with all kinds of certification from the old Union association down the street from me in Park Ridge and I knew more about home systems than they did before I ever got my License.

Most of these guys down the street are still using checklists and spending maybe an hour on site.

If you call their 250 reports quality stuff ,that proves anything, you have no idea what you are talking about.
At NACHI we are required to have CE.

I'M just sayin

Originally Posted by Bob Elliott

Work for what?

Most of these guys down the street are still using checklists and spending maybe an hour on site.

If you call their 250 reports quality stuff ,that proves anything, you have no idea what you are talking about.
At NACHI we are required to have CE.

I'M just sayin

I'll hire an old guy that does an one hour inspection with a check list report all day long, before I would hire some new guy that has a fancy logo, and some fancy boiler plate narriative report.

" At NACHI we are required to have CE."
Required? Have you read how many of your members have openly stated they never completed any, and have never been asked for proof they completed any CE.

Originally Posted by Ken Rowe

I'm a member of ASHI but have looked in to Internachi (due to the lawsuits they are no longer to be referred to as Nachi)

To me they both have major flaws but personally ASHI seems to be the lesser of two evils.

What lawsuits? And for what?

Originally Posted by Marc M

What lawsuits? And for what?

There are a couple different ones listed here, Search I think "Law Suit Nicks at it again" , or something like that.
There are also a couple references on the TIJ site.

Google nick, and you will find more, including one where he was sued, and fined by the state of PA, for defrauding PA consumers.

Originally Posted by Dan Harris

I'll hire an old guy that does an one hour inspection with a check list report all day long, before I would hire some new guy that has a fancy logo, and some fancy boiler plate narriative report.

" At NACHI we are required to have CE."
Required? Have you read how many of your members have openly stated they never completed any, and have never been asked for proof they completed any CE.

Names my friend....names.
Talk is cheap.

All this talk about openness when nobody can see what goes on behind ASHI closed doors.

I hear the whole purpose of ASHI is to try and protect the old timers business from the new guys.
Is it true that when the crickets stop chirping that the only reply a new guy gets is sarcasm and critique of spelling on the ASHI forum?

Your knowledge of NACHI is from spending so much time there even though you are not a member...right?
How many posts do you think you had?

So if all the new guys go to NACHI I guess ASHI will dis appear soon...right?

Are you saying that if I pretend to be spanking new and send ASHI my check they will not allow me to work?

I would love to have a competition between the top ASHI and NACHI guys at a home and see who does the best job.

What do you think would happen?

All these new guys that everyone hated 5 years ago now have many jobs under their belt and with much bettor education than offered anyplace else.

ASHI spent time selling to Agents ,while NACHI trained the future ,is the way I see it.

Originally Posted by Bob Elliott

Work
If you call their 250 reports quality stuff ,that proves anything, you have no idea what you are talking about.
At NACHI we are required to have CE.

I'M just sayin

At ASHI we're required to have CE's also. 20 hours a year. We're also required to pass the National Home Inspector Exam to become a top level inspector. This is the very same proctored exam that over 20 states require for licensing.

Originally Posted by Bob Elliott

Names my friend....names.
Talk is cheap .

I'm not ratting on them,
A couple of them are from Fla. one from MO and a couple other states.

Some good info on this topic, provided by one of your top guys, can be found in the contents of the now deleted, site
What Went Wrong with NACHI

Mo and Kansas Lic departments have found this to be very valuable info. and useful in their attempt to protect their consumers from web site
Certified Inspectors.

Originally Posted by Marc M

What lawsuits? And for what?

NAHI v NACHI Lawsuit/Settlement Update

Court Enters Judgment after InterNACHI Violates Settlement Agreement

Do a google search and you'll find other lawsuits involving NACHI or InterNACHI.

Originally Posted by Ken Rowe

NAHI v NACHI Lawsuit/Settlement Update

Court Enters Judgment after InterNACHI Violates Settlement Agreement

Do a google search and you'll find other lawsuits involving NACHI or InterNACHI.

That's what happens when the slow and old get scared.

To be a InterNACHI Certified Inspector you must:

1. You must have passed InterNACHI's Online Inspector Examination (free) with a score of 80 or better.
2. You must have completed InterNACHI's Ethics Obstacle Course (free).
3. You must have taken InterNACHI's Standards of Practice Quiz (free).
4. Mailing, faxing, or submitting online a completed InterNACHI Application/Affidavit.
5. Send them a check for $289

To be an InterNACHI Master Inspector you must:

1. complete 1,000 fee-paid inspections and/or hours of inspection-related Continuing Education courses (combined) in their lifetime;
2. prove they've been in the inspection business for at least three years;
   
3. abide by the industry's toughest Code of Ethics;
4. substantially follow a Board-approved Standards of Practice;
   
5. submit to a criminal background check; and
6. apply for Board certification by signing an affidavit in front of a Notary.

To be an ASHI candidate you must:

• Just joined ASHI and may be new to the inspection profession or may be a seasoned inspector who has not yet completed ASHI's requirements to move up in membership.

To be an ASHI Associate w/logo use you must:

• Passed the National Home Inspector Examination and ASHI's Standards and Ethics module.
• ASHI has verified performance of 50 fee-paid inspections in substantial compliance with the Standards of Practice.
• Had inspection reports successfully verified for compliance with ASHI's Standards of Practice.

To be an ASHI Certified Inspector you must:

• Passed the National Home Inspector Examination and ASHI's Standards and Ethics module.
• Had inspection reports successfully verified for compliance with ASHI's Standards of Practice.
• Submitted valid proof of performance of at least 250 fee-paid home inspections that meet or exceed the ASHI Standards of Practice.

Interesting, but according to InterNACHI they could have a Certified Master Inspector who has never done an inspection if they have completed enough education courses.

Ken. Nick has the Certified Master Inspector" option for the ones that cannot pass, or find some one to take his on-line quiz for them.
They just have to pay nick a few extra $s.

You guys are too funny.

I grow weary of convincing closed minds.

Please keep in mind that I'm not saying that one association has better inspectors. I have issues with the way ASHI does things also. Just not with their "Certified Inspector" requirements.

Originally Posted by Ken Rowe

We're also required to pass the National Home Inspector Exam to become a top level inspector. This is the very same proctored exam that over 20 states require for licensing.

That is 24 States and soon to be 25 once Florida starts their license program in 2010.

It seems ASHI SPENDS MORE MONEY CONVINCING AGENTS IN HOW GOOD THEY ARE.,It does not matter what group you belong to , it is the job you do for your clients that counts . I like InterNachi because of the courses they provide.When i first started i was told i would not get much work if i was not a ASHI member . Guess what that person is no longer a member of ASHI and is a member of InterNachi after a local chapter of ASHI chapter craped on them. Any Assocation can get to big for their britches i guess.

Originally Posted by Ken Rowe

Please keep in mind that I'm not saying that one association has better inspectors. I have issues with the way ASHI does things also. Just not with their "Certified Inspector" requirements.

You should have concerns. It's clear you nor anyone else here understands the message I'm sending out. Read closely...

A. While you was correct in your observation of NACHI you left off some information.

Within the first 10 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must log in to InterNACHI's educational message board.
• You must apply for a membership photo I.D. (free).

Within the first 30 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must complete InterNACHI's online Safe Practices course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online 25 Standards Every Inspector Should Know course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Residential Standards of Practice course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.

Within the first 45 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must complete InterNACHI's online Plumbing course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Electrical course (free), including all quizzes within, and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Roofing course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.

Within the first 60 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must complete InterNACHI's online HVAC course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Structural course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Exterior Inspection course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.

Within the first 90 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must complete InterNACHI's online Deck Inspections course (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Moisture Intrusion Inspection course (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.

So let's take a closer look. Bottom line is when people call in my area for a home inspection most could care less about our little associations. However in my area you have those realtors who insist on leading their clients to believe that only a ASHI inspector is qualified enough to do the job. Sad but true. So here's the facts.

Fact 1: The phone call. Question posed by potential client on occation. "Do you belong to ASHI?" Now here's the problem. I can simply send in a check and fill out a form and once accepted without any type of online, in class, on site ed or any thing I can answer my potential client with one simple word.

"Yes"

9 times out of ten that ends it there. These people simply assume your automatically certified. Your not lying. They didn't ask you if your certified. Most ask "do you belong". Legally I can say yes.

Fact 2: Legally I can't say I belong to NACHI until I pass a online test which is much like the national exam most states uses for license requirements. Yes I agree I can sit at home and look up answers however since the test is "TIMED" that's very hard to do.

Fact 3: You cannot become a "Certified Master Inspector" simply by having enough credits. Yes it appears that way however you must have done 1000 paid inspections or 500 paid inspections and CE equivilant to match 1000 paid inspections if that made any sense.

As professional home inspectors it's our duty to give the public straight facts and to me quality, integrity and sound ethics is what I build my company with and before any of you spout anymore nonsense make sure to do your homework and speak with all the facts. Your not helping anyone by giving out half ass information.

As for Nick... Yes he's been sued on a number of occations and he's laid lawsuits on a number of people for various reasons. Bottom line is NACHI is a solid organization with good people who are very knowledable and I sincerely feel that ASHI is the same way. Both orgs are good organizations. Either one would be a good choice.

It always gets into a pissing contest whenever INACH is brought into the mix of any discussion on this board and over on TIJ. The same can be said whenever ASHI or NAHI is brought up over on the INACHI board. The players are pretty much the same on all three, sometimes they post under pseudo names.

Yes, over the past 10 years we have seen many lawsuits between INACHI, ASHI, NAHI and even EBPHI. Most I think revolved around marketing, trademark, a few petty items and some are just nuisance suits. Some were settled out of court, some were settled by the judge and some are still ongoing.

Some of the outcomes forced the defendants to change the way they advertise and talk about the other organizations. In one case the defended was forced to change the name of their organization and in another case the defendant was forced to change the name of their examination (actually this happened to two defendants).

I wish everyone would realize that is not the national organizations that are behind all of this crap, but rather a few individuals in each.

Originally Posted by Ken Rowe

Please keep in mind that I'm not saying that one association has better inspectors. I have issues with the way ASHI does things also. Just not with their "Certified Inspector" requirements.

Originally Posted by wayne wilson

It seems ASHI SPENDS MORE MONEY CONVINCING AGENTS IN HOW GOOD THEY ARE.,It does not matter what group you belong to , it is the job you do for your clients that counts . I like InterNachi because of the courses they provide.When i first started i was told i would not get much work if i was not a ASHI member . Guess what that person is no longer a member of ASHI and is a member of InterNachi after a local chapter of ASHI chapter craped on them. Any Assocation can get to big for their britches i guess.

Good for them. That means more business for you if you effectively market realtors the way you should be doing. Weather you like it or not realtors hold a fast majority of our profit and if you leave them out of your pie crust your business will fold sooner or later. I market and advertise realtors on my website. There's a catch. I only advertise those whom I've done business with multiple times. My reports are narrative with pictures and I don't let up on language to please realtors. I write the true condition of the home in the best interest of my clients. If a realtor has a problem with that then under no circumstances will I associate my business with them any longer. Realtors you see on my site understand this and works in the best interest of their client. I post their picture on my site to show appreciation to their hard work and to the fact that they work in the best interest of their client. It's important that one builds a solid foundation with their reputation.

Originally Posted by Scott Patterson

It always gets into a pissing contest whenever INACH is brought into the mix of any discussion on this board and over on TIJ. The same can be said whenever ASHI or NAHI is brought up over on the INACHI board. The players are pretty much the same on all three, sometimes they post under pseudo names.

Yes, over the past 10 years we have seen many lawsuits between INACHI, ASHI, NAHI and even EBPHI. Most I think revolved around marketing, trademark, a few petty items and some are just nuisance suits. Some were settled out of court, some were settled by the judge and some are still ongoing.

Some of the outcomes forced the defendants to change the way the advertise and talks about the other organizations. In one case the defended was forced to change the name of their organization and in another case the defendant was forced to change the name of their examination (actually this happened to two defendants).

I wish everyone would realize that is not the national organizations that are behind all of this crap, but rather a few individuals in each.

Well said Scott. What is TIJ?

Originally Posted by Bill Boerner

You should have concerns. It's clear you nor anyone else here understands the message I'm sending out. Read closely...

A. While you was correct in your observation of NACHI you left off some information.

Within the first 10 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must log in to InterNACHI's educational message board.
• You must apply for a membership photo I.D. (free).

Within the first 30 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must complete InterNACHI's online Safe Practices course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online 25 Standards Every Inspector Should Know course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Residential Standards of Practice course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.

Within the first 45 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must complete InterNACHI's online Plumbing course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Electrical course (free), including all quizzes within, and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Roofing course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.

Within the first 60 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must complete InterNACHI's online HVAC course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Structural course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Exterior Inspection course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.

Within the first 90 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must complete InterNACHI's online Deck Inspections course (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Moisture Intrusion Inspection course (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.

So let's take a closer look. Bottom line is when people call in my area for a home inspection most could care less about our little associations. However in my area you have those realtors who insist on leading their clients to believe that only a ASHI inspector is qualified enough to do the job. Sad but true. So here's the facts.

Fact 1: The phone call. Question posed by potential client on occation. "Do you belong to ASHI?" Now here's the problem. I can simply send in a check and fill out a form and once accepted without any type of online, in class, on site ed or any thing I can answer my potential client with one simple word.

"Yes"

9 times out of ten that ends it there. These people simply assume your automatically certified. Your not lying. They didn't ask you if your certified. Most ask "do you belong". Legally I can say yes.

Fact 2: Legally I can't say I belong to NACHI until I pass a online test which is much like the national exam most states uses for license requirements. Yes I agree I can sit at home and look up answers however since the test is "TIMED" that's very hard to do.

Fact 3: You cannot become a "Certified Master Inspector" simply by having enough credits. Yes it appears that way however you must have done 1000 paid inspections or 500 paid inspections and CE equivilant to match 1000 paid inspections if that made any sense.

As professional home inspectors it's our duty to give the public straight facts and to me quality, integrity and sound ethics is what I build my company with and before any of you spout anymore nonsense make sure to do your homework and speak with all the facts. Your not helping anyone by giving out half ass information.

As for Nick... Yes he's been sued on a number of occations and he's laid lawsuits on a number of people for various reasons. Bottom line is NACHI is a solid organization with good people who are very knowledable and I sincerely feel that ASHI is the same way. Both orgs are good organizations. Either one would be a good choice.

Billy, what you have printed is true but it is not enforced and I hope you realize it. Nick says that it is all done on the honor system.

Nobody at the INACHI HQ monitors and makes sure that any of those items are done. I have two very good inspector friends who belong to INACH and have not done any of those items outside of the online test and paying the fee. Now if all of that was enforced then INACHI would have the most stringent requirements.

Originally Posted by Bill Boerner

Well said Scott. What is TIJ?

TIJ is Home Inspector Forums, News, Resources, Education and Events

It is a very good discussion board that does not put up with this type of petty BS. Several posters on this board and a few others over at INACHI, ASHI and have been blocked from TIJ. Some of the best in the profession can be found over on Mikes site. Those that don't like it are the ones that have been banned from posting on it!

Originally Posted by wayne wilson

It seems ASHI SPENDS MORE MONEY CONVINCING AGENTS IN HOW GOOD THEY ARE.,It does not matter what group you belong to , it is the job you do for your clients that counts . I like InterNachi because of the courses they provide.When i first started i was told i would not get much work if i was not a ASHI member . Guess what that person is no longer a member of ASHI and is a member of InterNachi after a local chapter of ASHI chapter craped on them. Any Assocation can get to big for their britches i guess.

Hi Wayne, who is that and what chapter? I would like to see if I can help to make sure it does not happen again.

Don't forget that according to Nick, he has the largest organization. Yet, whenever you see an interview (on ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CNN, FORBES, Wall Street Journal, etc.) that has to do with purchasing a home or inspections it is always an ASHI member or the current ASHI President that is interviewed when it comes down to the home inspection. Yes, ASHI has a very good PR firm and I think that the PR budget is about 8% of the total budget. According to Nick, INACHI does not have a PR budget.

I'm glad ASHI is out marketing and doing PR for me and the profession.

Originally Posted by Scott Patterson

Billy, what you have printed is true but it is not enforced and I hope you realize it. Nick says that it is all done on the honor system.

Nobody at the INACHI HQ monitors and makes sure that any of those items are done. I have two very good inspector friends who belong to INACH and have not done any of those items outside of the online test and paying the fee. Now if all of that was enforced then INACHI would have the most stringent requirements.

Agreed. However, my point is it's laid out there for the public to see on the website and Nick doesn't advertise to new recruits the fact that NACHI doesn't monitor the progress of one after he or she joins. For me I actually did what the website said I had to do because I was under the impression at the time that I would loose my certification. That's the difference between ASHI and NACHI. Atleast NACHI states you need to do some sort of training when you first join "that's key, when you first join". ASHI has a great full certification program however my point is they need to get rid of the fact that one can simply state to the public that they are a member of ASHI simply by sending in a check and filling out a form. That's a hard fact. The associate program is fine it's the initial sign up program that leads many consumers astry IMO.

Originally Posted by Scott Patterson

Hi Wayne, who is that and what chapter? I would like to see if I can help to make sure it does not happen again.

Don't forget that according to Nick, he has the largest organization. Yet, whenever you see an interview (on ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CNN, FORBES, Wall Street Journal, etc.) that has to do with purchasing a home or inspections it is always an ASHI member or the current ASHI President that is interviewed when it comes down to the home inspection. Yes, ASHI has a very good PR firm and I think that the PR budget is about 8% of the total budget. According to Nick, INACHI does not have a PR budget.

I'm glad ASHI is out marketing and doing PR for me and the profession.

And that's why I'm going to join once I get back from the desert. ASHI is well known and has done a great job at helping the inspector get known in his or her community. NACHI is a great source to have for education and online message board help. I will always belong to BOTH ORGS.

Originally Posted by Scott Patterson

TIJ is Home Inspector Forums, News, Resources, Education and Events

It is a very good discussion board that does not put up with this type of petty BS. Several posters on this board and a few others over at INACHI, ASHI and have been blocked from TIJ. Some of the best in the profession can be found over on Mikes site. Those that don't like it are the ones that have been banned from posting on it!

Thanks for the info. I'll stop by and see what it's all about.

Originally Posted by Bill Boerner

Agreed. However, my point is it's laid out there for the public to see on the website and Nick doesn't advertise to new recruits the fact that NACHI doesn't monitor the progress of one after he or she joins. For me I actually did what the website said I had to do because I was under the impression at the time that I would loose my certification. That's the difference between ASHI and NACHI. Atleast NACHI states you need to do some sort of training when you first join "that's key, when you first join". ASHI has a great full certification program however my point is they need to get rid of the fact that one can simply state to the public that they are a member of ASHI simply by sending in a check and filling out a form. That's a hard fact. The associate program is fine it's the initial sign up program that leads many consumers astry IMO.

Very true, but you can also join ICC the same way. You just can't advertise that you are Code Certified.

I'm all for ASHI upping their entrance requirements. I have suggested many times over the years that ASHI should require the NHIE before a person can sign up. Unfortunately the bean counters say that would cut the number of new folks who join by half. I can see that happening, but I think it would be short lived and after a year or two it would be a moot point.

Originally Posted by Bill Boerner

And that's why I'm going to join once I get back from the desert. ASHI is well known and has done a great job at helping the inspector get known in his or her community. NACHI is a great source to have for education and online message board help. I will always belong to BOTH ORGS.

Let me know when you are ready, I have helped many long time INACHI members in the process.

With all of the Free education stuff that INACHI offers, ya don't have to be a member to take advantage of it!

Originally Posted by Bill Boerner

they need to get rid of the fact that one can simply state to the public that they are a member of ASHI simply by sending in a check and filling out a form.[/COLOR][/B] That's a hard fact. The associate program is fine it's the initial sign up program that leads many consumers astry IMO.

Bill I appreciate your passion.
I see one important thing missing.
Why would ASHI change anything based on an opinion of an outsider?

ASHI members DO have a voice if they think changes will help the org, or profession, by getting involved on committees, and by voting.

Originally Posted by Dan Harris

Bill I appreciate your passion.
I see one important thing missing.
Why would ASHI change anything based on an opinion of an outsider?

ASHI members DO have a voice if they think changes will help the org, or profession, by getting involved on committees, and by voting.

I plan on joining no doubt. ASHI is a great org just like the rest. To answer your question though I can't be the first person to raise the flag on this issue. ASHI must have some reason for keeping their "initial" entry requirement. IMO, however, it's the "main" reason where ASHI got it's papermill nickname from. ASHI is highly viewed this way due to the very reason I layed out on this message board. Get rid of the sign up, pay today and tell your clients your a member of ASHI without a logo scenerio and all will be good. No way then can one call ASHI a papermill IMO.

Originally Posted by Dan Harris

Bill I appreciate your passion.
I see one important thing missing.
Why would ASHI change anything based on an opinion of an outsider?

ASHI members DO have a voice if they think changes will help the org, or profession, by getting involved on committees, and by voting.

So anything done within the org get's approved by popular member vote? I like that alot. No such thing with NACHI.

Originally Posted by Bill Boerner

I plan on joining no doubt. ASHI is a great org just like the rest. To answer your question though I can't be the first person to raise the flag on this issue. ASHI must have some reason for keeping their "initial" entry requirement. IMO, however, it's the "main" reason where ASHI got it's papermill nickname from. ASHI is highly viewed this way due to the very reason I layed out on this message board. Get rid of the sign up, pay today and tell your clients your a member of ASHI without a logo scenerio and all will be good. No way then can one call ASHI a papermill IMO.

Bill, the paper mill thing came from Nick. Under a court order he can not say anything despairingly about ASHI. So he goes about in a roundabout manner.

In the eyes of the general public (folks that hire home inspectors) they could care less about membership requirements or the lack of them. It all boils down to perception and over the years ASHI has lobbied to be the one that consumers look for, and it works. Good or bad ASHI has a huge PR machine.

Originally Posted by Bill Boerner

So anything done within the org get's approved by popular member vote? I like that alot. No such thing with NACHI.

All directors and officers are nominated and are voted on. Anything that requires a change in the bylaws or P&P requires a majority vote.

Nick is the emperor of INACHI, it is his to do with as he wishes. If he wanted to close the doors, or sell it to Pro-Lab he could do it.

Originally Posted by Bill Boerner

You should have concerns. It's clear you nor anyone else here understands the message I'm sending out. Read closely...

A. While you was correct in your observation of NACHI you left off some information.

Within the first 10 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must log in to InterNACHI's educational message board.
• You must apply for a membership photo I.D. (free).

Within the first 30 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must complete InterNACHI's online Safe Practices course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online 25 Standards Every Inspector Should Know course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Residential Standards of Practice course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.

Within the first 45 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must complete InterNACHI's online Plumbing course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Electrical course (free), including all quizzes within, and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Roofing course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.

Within the first 60 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must complete InterNACHI's online HVAC course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Structural course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Exterior Inspection course (free), including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.

Within the first 90 days after becoming a certified member...

• You must complete InterNACHI's online Deck Inspections course (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.
• You must complete InterNACHI's online Moisture Intrusion Inspection course (free), including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.

So let's take a closer look. Bottom line is when people call in my area for a home inspection most could care less about our little associations. However in my area you have those realtors who insist on leading their clients to believe that only a ASHI inspector is qualified enough to do the job. Sad but true. So here's the facts.

Fact 1: The phone call. Question posed by potential client on occation. "Do you belong to ASHI?" Now here's the problem. I can simply send in a check and fill out a form and once accepted without any type of online, in class, on site ed or any thing I can answer my potential client with one simple word.

"Yes"

9 times out of ten that ends it there. These people simply assume your automatically certified. Your not lying. They didn't ask you if your certified. Most ask "do you belong". Legally I can say yes.

Fact 2: Legally I can't say I belong to NACHI until I pass a online test which is much like the national exam most states uses for license requirements. Yes I agree I can sit at home and look up answers however since the test is "TIMED" that's very hard to do.

Fact 3: You cannot become a "Certified Master Inspector" simply by having enough credits. Yes it appears that way however you must have done 1000 paid inspections or 500 paid inspections and CE equivilant to match 1000 paid inspections if that made any sense.

As professional home inspectors it's our duty to give the public straight facts and to me quality, integrity and sound ethics is what I build my company with and before any of you spout anymore nonsense make sure to do your homework and speak with all the facts. Your not helping anyone by giving out half ass information.

As for Nick... Yes he's been sued on a number of occations and he's laid lawsuits on a number of people for various reasons. Bottom line is NACHI is a solid organization with good people who are very knowledable and I sincerely feel that ASHI is the same way. Both orgs are good organizations. Either one would be a good choice.

Oh, I understand it completely. My issue is with the term "Certified Inspector". By taking a few online tests and paying the fees one can be a "Certified Inspector" in the eyes of InterNachi, with no follow up by the association to verify any of the other requirements are completed.

To become a Certified Inspector in the eyes of ASHI you must complete their online test, provide documentation of 250 fee paid inspections, and pass the National Home Inspectors Exam.

.... and it only takes 30 seconds!

Unfortunately, some home buyers read an article about how to choose a home inspector and somehow get locked in on hiring a certified home inspector. Ask them what certified means in regard to home inspectors and I guarantee you'll hear silence on the other end of the phone.

The term certified as far as our profession goes is hollow and really means nothing.

Not according to you know who. That was the whole premise behind CMI and CHI and everything else certifiable in the Nachi stable.

Originally Posted by Scott Patterson

With all of the Free education stuff that INACHI offers, ya don't have to be a member to take advantage of it!

Now thats not playing fair.
NIck stated that he offers free education to lure newbys in, so he can get them for $2-3000 before they go out of business

Marc M.
Out of all these replies, did anybody answer your question?

I have taken 3 different home inspector school courses, all of NACHIS courses or on line test,, the National Home Inspectors Exam, Another school course (approved by Texas when I got here), proctored tests, non proctored test, the final TREC exam at the end of that approved Texas course for home inspectors and countless hours for yearly hours needed (whether needed or not).

Not one bit of it was any different than the any other. None, not one bit any different. Same type of questions, different school/on line course/association etc Same stuff different day. Period. Nothing different. Just more home inspection questions and answers. What is the big damn deal. Oh ... I get it ... the world is comprised of cheaters and everyone has someone else sitting there doing the online test while you watch star trec. I do not freekin think so.

What is the difference with an open book contractors test or an open book ICC test or an online test or a proctored home inspection exam. Same stuff, different day. This is not brain surgery

What is all this endless crap that their poop doesn't stink and theirs does. I have absolutely no understanding what so ever what all this endless back and forth garbage is constantly all about. I remember decades ago when CB radios were popular and there were actually CB clubs. I went to one of those meetings and laughed the entire time with all there technical call to meeting crap. Instead of a bunch of guys getting together for a few drinks it turned into some unbelievable bull session and this one talking about that one and his was bigger than the other guys and mine is more powerful than yours.

If one likes an association then state so. If one does not think highly of another org .... so what. Mention yours and move on.

Personally I don't know Nick from squat and I am sure I never will. I do find all the on line stuff great. I just don't care for organizations and a handful of people (just like the state of Texas) dictating what and how things should be. The only reason it ever goes certain ways is because those particular folks in charge at the time think a certain way and that is the way the drift goes because they have some inner God driven need and desire to be in charge of something and be an authority figure and the head of the gang.

I never much liked gangs . I met many and they are no different than what I see on here when all this Association garbage comes up.

Why am I participating, you may ask.

I have an X from 25 years ago that I still hear crap from in a round about way. The last thing I want to talk about is the details to he said she said, he did she did, he didn't do she didn't do.. What an endless bunch of crap.

I like NACHIs goods. I like ASHIs standards as well. Belong to either? Other than the local chapter I see nothing that draws me to become a member or belong to either. I am still up in the air after 5 years about local Associations. One put a bad taste in my mouth from the get go. The other I never heard much about until the past year and all seems pretty good so far. I am probably going in that direction. If for some reason they want me to prove myself to them after inspecting all my life then I probably will not go in that direction either. If it is a come on in and get together with fellow inspectors and we have great meetings and the state hourly requirements are set with different classes all year long then I'll probably still go in that direction. I proved myself to the state licensing and continuing ed. Thats the only proving I need to do my job. Send a list of 250 reports off so they can pick 5 to look over them and tell me what and pass a judgment on me .... for what reason I would want that I do not know. I am judged every day I go to work.

Thats my rant. No nya nya stuff ... just an opinion. Man do I hate nya nya

Ted, you forgot to add; Have a nice day!

Originally Posted by Scott Patterson

Ted, you forgot to add; Have a nice day!

OOOOPs


Sorry

Originally Posted by Nick Ostrowski

Unfortunately, some home buyers read an article about how to choose a home inspector and somehow get locked in on hiring a certified home inspector. Ask them what certified means in regard to home inspectors and I guarantee you'll hear silence on the other end of the phone.

The term certified as far as our profession goes is hollow and really means nothing.

The most realistic statement I have heard on this subject.

It is fun to argue the points ,but in the end it is up to us as individuals to succeed.

Originally Posted by Scott Patterson

That is 24 States and soon to be 25 once Florida starts their license program in 2010.

Ahhh, after all his hard work in Fla. at the licensing meetings a few weeks ago that must be the
" Big good news about Florida and InterNACHI coming out any day now! "
that nick had planned to tell his members on his 11/2 post

Originally Posted by Marc M

I'm looking for an Org to join, and I just wasnt sure. I hear a lot of negitives with that Org. and want to make a wise choice. They do however, have some pretty cool information over there. I also like ASHI.

I know it sounds cool to post your location as "Left Coast" but your city or county would be better for some of us to get to know you, and for thread discussion purposes. In this case you could be directed to the local CREIA or ASHI chapter and location of meetings. Hope you find something. BTW, as has already been said, CREIA and ASHI are your best source here in Calif. and you will be sure to find many members willing to help you out.

I am a member of NAHI, pretty happy so far. They had problems there for a little bit. Lately things are much better and have added webinar training for CME's etc. My opinion is that if you are looking into associations to join, NAHI is worth a second look.

Have a Great Day

Scott, we at InterNACHI were all thrilled this morning to learn that you've publicly admitted that the reason ASHI has no entrance requirements is so that ASHI can enrich itself by doubling the number of unqualified newbies ASHI dumps on unsuspecting consumers. Thank you. Your quote should be required reading for every consumer and realtor in North America.

Scott Patterson admits in November 2009 on Inspectionnews.net:

I'm all for ASHI upping their entrance requirements. I have suggested many times over the years that ASHI should require the NHIE before a person can sign up. Unfortunately the bean counters say that would cut the number of new folks who join by half.

Originally Posted by Lisa Endza

Scott, we at InterNACHI were all thrilled this morning to learn that you've publicly admitted that the reason ASHI has no entrance requirements is so that ASHI can enrich itself by doubling the number of unqualified newbies ASHI dumps on unsuspecting consumers. Thank you. Your quote should be required reading for every consumer and realtor in North America.

Scott Patterson admits in November 2009 on Inspectionnews.net:

Hey Nick.
How is Scotts quote, his personal opinion, like a long time member of your org's quote, [On 11/22/2009] any different addressing the same topic.

Partial Quote:
Just to give you a clue read the list.

1. Membership would really drop if everything was verified.
2. Nachi is Nick. Nothing gets done here unless it has Nicks approval.
3. There is no accountability to the membership for anything that's done at NACHI.
end Quote]

ASHI's admits that money is the reason ASHI has no entrance requirements. - InterNACHI Message Board

Wow. Nick are you sure about this? Here you are making baseless statements again, having just recently having sent your Communications Director here to correct your previous legal issues vis-a-vis ASHI and NAHI.

Originally Posted by Lisa Endza

Scott, we at InterNACHI were all thrilled this morning to learn that you've publicly admitted that the reason ASHI has no entrance requirements is so that ASHI can enrich itself by doubling the number of unqualified newbies ASHI dumps on unsuspecting consumers. Thank you. Your quote should be required reading for every consumer and realtor in North America.

Scott Patterson admits in November 2009 on Inspectionnews.net:

Hi Lisa,

I'm no longer on any ASHI committee or do I have anything to do ASHI other than just being a member for about the past two years. I'm not an ASHI "Big Wig" as Nick claims. I have not admitted to anything like you claim. I do not speak for ASHI, I only speak for myself. I have voiced my opinion.

Yes, I would like to see ASHI, INACHI, NAHI, CREAI and every other home inspector organization require the NHIE before a person could join. It would be the best thing for our profession.

Yes, it is common sense (you do know what that is I hope!) that if you increase requirements for anything you will reduce the amount of participation. This is why Nick has made it so easy to become a Certifed Home Inspector and the listed requirements are never enforced. He knows that if he required the NHIE he would have a major loss of members in his organization. This is why he continues to use the unproctored backroom made test that is not recognized by any state licensing authority as an equal to the NHIE.

ASHI is not responsible for dumping unqualified newbies anymore than INACHI is, all of the home inspector associations are guilty of it!

Scott wrote:

ASHI is not responsible for dumping unqualified newbies anymore than INACHI is, all of the home inspector associations are guilty of it!

Why not stick both feet into your mouth? That statement has no relevance to ASHI! I am insulted you would even state that as an ASHI member!

Originally Posted by Scott Patterson

Yes, I would like to see ASHI, INACHI, NAHI, CREAI and every other home inspector organization require the NHIE before a person could join. It would be the best thing for our profession.

This is why Nick has made it so easy to become a Certifed Home Inspector and the listed requirements are never enforced. He knows that if he required the NHIE he would have a major loss of members in his organization. This is why he continues to use the unproctored backroom made test that is not recognized by any state licensing authority as an equal to the NHIE.

I don't think we will see ole nicko accept the NHIE for his org.
He knows many of his members that are not in a Lic. state could not pass it, and the ones that could, would not waste their $s on his non verified wannta -be certificiation. D:

Originally Posted by Lisa Endza

Scott, we at InterNACHI were all thrilled this morning to learn that you've publicly admitted that the reason ASHI has no entrance requirements is so that ASHI can enrich itself by doubling the number of unqualified newbies ASHI dumps on unsuspecting consumers. Thank you. Your quote should be required reading for every consumer and realtor in North America.

Scott Patterson admits in November 2009 on Inspectionnews.net:

Lisa

You are kidding me right.

What the hell is going on in organizations lately. I cannot believe you or anyone in a national organization would act or respond in such a manner publicly to anything of the like.

Why has everything become so freekin nya nya. Why are professionals acting in such a manner. On another note I cannot believe how a few on here are waiting for such comments from anyone on your side of the fence to make any comment what so ever so they can pounce and insult and the freekin nya nya that goes with it. I am curious on how old many of you are. Personally I cannot remember acting in such a way and I can remember back to when I was 2 visiting my dying brother in the hospital back in 56.

The blatant dropping of NACHI news in multiple threads the other day was about as unprofessional as this last load of crap. I suggest you go talk to (and everyone else for that matter) your councilor to find out what life is really all about.

Look what you did dam it. You got me on the attack from just popping in to see what folks were still talking about on the thread. I was going to comment that you were acting like children but then that would put my children in the mix. They are all in their thirties and mega professionals. They also never acted like what I see on here. There friends never acted like what goes on in this thread and others.

I would say you and some others need a spanking. One or two things on that.

You may like it too much and then have more to whine and cry about and have temper tantrums about. It will give you folks more to go back and forth with. You know ... we have terrorists out there that have the same mentality as some of you folks. You cannot see past your own brain cells and have no clue or even care what the outside worlds feels about such actions. Most of us do not live in 2000 year old mentalities. Mosty of us have joined the modern era. They say criminals have this little deal on top of there brain stem that compared to other non criminals is extremely tiny. They do not have the understanding about anything affecting anyone around them. That is why they can stick a 9 milimeter in someones face and pull the trigger and then go home and play with their kids and have dinner like nothing was suppose to be wrong with what they did.

This is the absolute epitome why I do not belong to an organization right now. Over and over and over the years everytime I started to get involved in any organization all the nya nya's came forth and I put an abrupt end to it. I do not have the stomach for it.

You want to recruit anyone into your organizatiuon ????? I suggest you drop out and they put a professional in there to handle it. Yes I have seen comments that are made from time to time from the leaders of your Org and others..... Freeking shameless ... or is the ... Full of shame.

Shame on you and everyone else like you and your actions.

You want to advertise on here then pay for the advertisement instead of shameless postings. I have grown to respect some of the folks on here that belong to your Association. Don't shame them anymore by your contributions. Have you noticed that almost all of the NACHI members on here have kept there mouth shut or some just added some positive notes. Don't shame them in rethinking that they made a mistake by joining your association.

You as a professional (??????) should apologize to everyone on this board and all the members of NACHI especially.

As for the rest of you in the boxing match with here .... why ??????

I just don't get it.

Ted, post chronology matters.

I notice you waited in silence while InterNACHI took cheap shot after cheap shot, and only decided to play referee when I swung back. So much for chivalry. I must have thrown a knock out punch.

Scott Patterson is very correct. ASHI needs to adopt some entrance requirements, and not just the beginners exam (NHIE) used by many states to license newbies fresh out of school.

Originally Posted by Ted Menelly

Lisa

You are kidding me right.

What the hell is going on in organizations lately. I cannot believe you or anyone in a national organization would act or respond in such a manner publicly to anything of the like.

The blatant dropping of NACHI news in multiple threads the other day was about as unprofessional as this last load of crap.

Look what you did dam it. You got me on the attack from just popping in to see what folks were still talking about on the thread. I was going to comment that you were acting like children but then that would put my children in the mix. They are all in their thirties and mega professionals. They also never acted like what I see on here.

I would say you and some others need a spanking.

You may like it too much and then have more to whine and cry about and have temper tantrums about. It will give you folks more to go back and forth with. You know ... we have terrorists out there that have the same mentality as some of you folks. You cannot see past your own brain cells and have no clue or even care what the outside worlds feels about such actions. Most of us do not live in 2000 year old mentalities.



You want to recruit anyone into your organizatiuon ????? I suggest you drop out and they put a professional in there to handle it. Yes I have seen comments that are made from time to time from the leaders of your Org and others..... Freeking shameless ... or is the ... Full of shame.

Shame on you and everyone else like you and your actions.

You want to advertise on here then pay for the advertisement instead of shameless postings. I have grown to respect some of the folks on here that belong to your Association. Don't shame them anymore by your contributions. Have you noticed that almost all of the NACHI members on here have kept there mouth shut or some just added some positive notes. Don't shame them in rethinking that they made a mistake by joining your association.

You as a professional (??????) should apologize to everyone on this board and all the members of NACHI especially.

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LOL Ted. give em a cyber world spanking
Maybe this board should be sensored, like nicks board is against a certain few.
I vote for you to be the appointed Inspection News B B sensor of nick and his puppets posts.

I don't know how you can claim Nachi's greatness considering how it is managed. The building blocks of a professional association just aren't there and you can spin and spin and spin any way you want Lisa, but at the end of the day until such time Nachi has a set of published bylaws, voting, functional Ethics committee, financial accountability, policy manual, and a accurate membership list, it remains as Nick has always maintained - a marketing club.

The ownership of Nachi is not open to outside review and as such this important fact calls into question the whole gambit of what is going on behind closed doors. Lack of leadership and professionalism are not the watch words in Nicks vocabulary, he has surrounded himself with yes people who simply follow along without question.

A disgraced Nachi member.

Originally Posted by Lisa Endza

Scott Patterson is very correct. ASHI needs to adopt some entrance requirements, and not just the beginners exam (NHIE) used by many states to license newbies fresh out of school.

A few months ago you came here and tried to the the owner of this board how to operate his business.
Now many of your members are coming here to get the free web exposure.
Maybe you should hire Brian, and find out to run a professional HI chat board

Why not be concerned about your own org's non existant, non verified requirements, as documented by many of your current, and ex members, instead of telling some one else, or another HI org how they should do business.
If nacho was the great org you claim it is, every inspector would be begging to join. Instead many of your own members are embarresed to say they belong to nachi.
Heck many of them post ASHI info on their web sites, and refuse to post the nachi logo on their web site, and only do after being forced too, under the threat they will removed from nachi if they don't.

Also proud to be an ex nacho member.

There is also a well found concern about this CMI that was marketed to Canadians which under closer scrutiny turns out to be what can only be termed a fraud. There have been no police background checks, no audits, and at least two people rec'd their CMI gratis no questions, and one look at the make up of the CMI board will explain a lot.

Care to comment Lisa or Nick?

I don't work for the Master Inspector Certification Board, so I can't help you with that one Ray. You have to have been in business for 3 years and completed 1,000 inspections I think, but I'm not sure. I work for InterNACHI only.

Thats strange. Nick is listed as president of CMI. Are you telling me Nick is not co-mingling Nachi business with CMI through your role as Communications Director?

And when did Nick move to Idaho?

Quite a whose who in the Nachi establishment, wouldn't you say?

Also did you know that a Canadian Trademark awarded
Is very questionable given what the CMI board under Nicks direction as president are representing that the Trademark bestows some form of legitimacy it does not considering the questionable nature as to CMI being marketed in Canada.



Master Inspector Certification Board, Inc.:
1750 30th Street, Suite 300
Boulder, CO 80301
contact@certifiedmasterinspector.org

Executive Director:

John McKenna
Texas
info@texas-inspection.com

President:

Nick Gromicko
Idaho
nick.gromicko@nachi.org

Education Director:

Gerry Beaumont
Florida
encoga@hotmail.com

Ethics Director:

Joe Farsetta
New York
info@hitinteractivemedia.com

Corporate Counsel:

Mark S. Cohen, Esq.
Cohen Horner, LLP
Colorado
mark@cohenhorner.com

IT Director:

Chris Morrell
Massachussettes
contact@certifiedmasterinspector.org

Advisory Board:
Paul W. Abernathy,CME,RMS,CMI www.electricalseminars.net, VA: info@electrical-ess.com
Gerry Beaumont, Gerry Beaumont Consulting, FL: encoga@hotmail.com
Robert Brown, Certified Adult Training Services, ON: bob@aciss.biz
Joe Farsetta, H.I.T. Interactive, NY: info@hitinteractivemedia.com
Nick Gromicko, NACHI, CO: contact@certifiedmasterinspector.org
Steve Jawitz, PE, All Building Inspections, FL: SJawitz@allbuildinginspection.com
Bill Merrell, Merrell Institute, NY: bcm@doctor.com
Chris Morrell, Master Inspector Certification Board, MA: contact@certifiedmasterinspector.org
John Onofrey, Top 2 Bottom Real Estate Inspectors, TX: john.onofrey@texasinspectors.net
George Wells, Best Inspectors Network, OH: cmi@bestinspectors.net

As I explained Ray, I don't work for the Master Inspector Certification Board and I never have. It is a separate entity that uses ASHI's Standards of Practice as one of the approved Standards I think. But I don't really know. I know it is full of ASHI inspectors. It is a separate organization that administers the Federal Certification Mark Certified Master Inspector but I didn't know it was registered in Canada until you told me just now.

Originally Posted by Lisa Endza

As I explained Ray, I don't work for the Master Inspector Certification Board and I never have. It is a separate entity that uses ASHI's Standards of Practice as one of the approved Standards I think. But I don't really know. I know it is full of ASHI inspectors. It is a separate organization that administers the Federal Certification Mark Certified Master Inspector but I didn't know it was registered in Canada until you told me just now.

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Originally Posted by Lisa Endza

ASHI needs to adopt some entrance requirements, and not just the beginners exam (NHIE) used by many states to license newbies fresh out of school.

Originally Posted by Lisa Endza

As I explained Ray, I don't work for the Master Inspector Certification Board and I never have. It is a separate entity that uses ASHI's Standards of Practice as one of the approved Standards I think. But I don't really know. I know it is full of ASHI inspectors.

LOL, you're bashing ASHI for using the same exam used by many states for licensing, yet InterNachi doesn't even do that. Plus an arm of InterNachi uses the ASHI Standard of Practice. That's too funny.

On another note, I haven't seen any ASHI employees trolling forums to degrade InterNachi. But then again I'm too busy doing inspections as an ASHI Certified Inspector to spend much time on forums.

Ken, if you feel that pointing out that ASHI has zero entrance requirements is "degrading" to ASHI, perhaps ASHI should adopt some. Feel free to use ours Become a certified inspector! Join InterNACHI today. - InterNACHI

Lisa

How much is Nick paying you to promote the stuff you do as true? The facts do not back up what you or Nick keep trying to convey.

Hey Lisa,

You still haven't answered my question from 8/12:

"Lisa, as director of communications for NACHI, what is your response to this quote from Mr. Nick?

"I and InterNACHI are in complete agreement that non-members should die and go to hell."

Inquiring minds want to know....."