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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    I move for a vote of closure and immediate adjournment.

    Point of order. This advertisement can not be allowed till we have a vote. Please have a seat and wait for the vote.... Wish I knew what triggered this add that has appeared....

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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa Endza View Post
    Personally emailing fellow home inspectors in the home inspection industry to alert them to an upcoming free home inspection meeting with presentations from home inspection industry leaders including two home inspection technical trainers (one on electrical and one on mold), an attorney who only works with home inspectors, the owner of a home inspection company that performs 20,000 home inspections a year (offering tips for growth), along with drinks, snacks, 800 pounds of inspection training material, inspection text books, and inspection-related door prizes, all for free, doesn't sound like "spam" to me.
    How far would an association get keeping silent about everything ?
    duh....no brainier.Perhaps Ray needs to learn how to block emails ......nah then he would run out of ammo in his long hate campaign.He loves NACHO and is afraid to admit it.

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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Elliott View Post
    How far would an association get keeping silent about everything ?
    duh....no brainier.Perhaps Ray needs to learn how to block emails ......nah then he would run out of ammo in his long hate campaign.He loves NACHO and is afraid to admit it.
    No Bob,

    I am just getting the message out in a different manner about how NACHO operates. Call it spamming if you like! How do you see the glass of Kool-Aid, half empty or half full?

    If you don't like the message don't read it. This is not the NACHO forum where rules are thrown out the window to suit myopic members.

    To impart something intelligent that you might be able to grasp, but then again, maybe not.

    spam |spam|
    noun
    1 irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients.
    unwanted or intrusive advertising on the Internet: [ as modifier ] : an auto-generated spam website.
    2 (Spam) trademark a canned meat product made mainly from ham.
    verb [ with obj. ]
    send the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet.



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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    Thanks Ray. Your definition convinced me it isn't spam.

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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    Lisa

    As communications director you might want to answer Nick O. since it was unsolicited as per the definition I provided and, since you have ignored his question.

    Public Relations class 101 - Always answer questions asked of you and don't skirt the issue.


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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    I think Garry worded it perfectly, just because some says something, which in this case is a derogatory statement towards one association and its marketing practices, does not make it so, Raymond.
    Lets move on.

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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    Quote Originally Posted by ROBERT YOUNG View Post
    I think Garry worded it perfectly, just because some says something, which in this case is a derogatory statement towards one association and its marketing practices, does not make it so, Raymond.
    Lets move on.
    Robert ,
    Thank you for a complement, though I believe it is misplaced.

    You are attributing something to me that I did not say and I am not sure who made the comment that you are referring to.

    In my own defense and position/philosophy; one persons interpenetration of a statement is deemed derogatory due to their personal penchant. Just because they do not like what is said does not make it derogatorily nor can it be summarily dismissed as untrue.

    Furthermore, claiming something at the top of your lungs or just repeating it multiple times also does not make it a fact and true.

    There is a fine line at times between a truth and a lie, which is often called marketing.

    Part of marketing is changing the narrative to what the marketer is pushing.

    How about sticking a fork in this turkey and calling it done???????????


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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    Garry, sorry for the misquote.
    Marketing is the reality of running a business, including governments.
    To paraphrase you, "Let's stick a fork in this subject and call it done."

    Last edited by ROBERT YOUNG; 05-10-2016 at 04:20 PM. Reason: Shorting subject material.
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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    Nick often describes marketing as an accellerant. It gets you to where you are going as a home inspector, faster. If you are a competent inspector and offer great service, marketing will make you successful sooner. If you are an incompetent inspector and offer lousy service, marketing will cause your demise sooner.

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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    Brian--please get rid of this thread--again we enter the sewer--this is so wrong--cvf


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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    I'm fine with the thread. I don't think anyone is in the "sewer."

    Lisa Endza
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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa Endza View Post
    I'm fine with the thread. I don't think anyone is in the "sewer."
    Hey, we agree on something!


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    It's nice to agree.

    And I think the question is a valid one.

    Does emailing fellow home inspectors in the home inspection industry to alert them to an upcoming free home inspection meeting with presentations from home inspection industry leaders including two home inspection technical trainers (one on electrical and one on mold), an attorney who only works with home inspectors, the owner of a home inspection company that performs 20,000 home inspections a year (offering tips for growth), along with drinks, snacks, 800 pounds of inspection training material, inspection text books, and inspection-related door prizes, all for free, constitute "spam?"

    Call 'em like you see 'em.

    Lisa Endza
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    Lisa, hope you are in good health and spirits today.

    I have sent clients repeated emails mistakenly with one client being particularly offended. Might be an idea to apologize to, Nick Ostrowski and try to resolve any irregular overlapping emails.

    Have a great day!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa Endza View Post
    It's nice to agree.

    And I think the question is a valid one.

    Does emailing fellow home inspectors in the home inspection industry to alert them to an upcoming free home inspection meeting with presentations from home inspection industry leaders including two home inspection technical trainers (one on electrical and one on mold), an attorney who only works with home inspectors, the owner of a home inspection company that performs 20,000 home inspections a year (offering tips for growth), along with drinks, snacks, 800 pounds of inspection training material, inspection text books, and inspection-related door prizes, all for free, constitute "spam?"

    Call 'em like you see 'em.
    There are at least two laws covering unwanted electronic messaging in Canada. The first that is applicable to the original post is Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA)

    Business contact information may be subject to this Act if it is being collected, used or disclosed for a purpose other than communicating or facilitating communication with an individual in relation to their employment, business or profession.

    The fact that these emails are sent as a business to business communication, and the mail is in relation to the profession, means that they do not breach PIPEDA.

    However, more recently there was the new Canadian Anti-Spam legislation (CASL). This puts the onus one the sender to not only have, but prove that they have, the EXPLICIT consent to send the recipient the messages.

    This would appear to suggest that electronic messages sent without the recipients explicit consent would be in breach of CASL and therefore identified as spam.

    There is, unfortunately, a loophole in the legislation. (Isn't there always?).

    An exception exists to the consent requirement for commercial electronic messages (CEMs) sent following a referral, if certain conditions are met.

    The referral must be made by an individual who has an existing business relationship, an existing non-business relationship, a family relationship or a personal relationship with the sender and the recipient of the CEM. Also, the full name of the individual who made the referral and a statement that the CEM is sent as a result of a referral must be in the CEM.


    So, if the email comes to you and:


    • it's from a previously unknown originating source, and
    • it identifies that the sender got your information from another source that has (or had) an existing relationship with you, and
    • it is in relation to your business or profession, and
    • it has identification information of the sender, and
    • it has an unsubscribe mechanism (that must work)

    then by definition in the Compliance and Enforcement Information Bulletin CRTC 2012-548, consent is implied, falls under the exception, and the email is not spam.

    If you don't like the fact you are getting emails, click the unsubscribe button. If after 14 days you continue to get emails, then you have a case to go after.

    An additional point to note is that CASL is only effective on mail sent from servers hosted inside of Canada. In addition to you having to prove the email is spam, you will have to prove it originated from such a server.

    There is an untested precedent to the last point, that has yet to be brought before the courts.

    The technical way in which email is delivered (behind the scenes) relies on a series or relays. The question is, if spam (real spam) is relayed through a server that is hosted in Canada and then sent on to a Canadian recipient, would the owner of the server be liable for penalty under the Canadian legislation?

    From a purely technical point of view, it is easy to stop a mail server from relaying unauthenticated mail, but most Telcos and ISP's don't do it because they are either too lazy, or they see it as requiring more hardware (more cost) to manage the load.

    Don't shoot me for telling you all this, it's the law and I'm just the messenger.


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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymond Wand View Post
    Lisa

    As communications director you might want to answer Nick O. since it was unsolicited as per the definition I provided and, since you have ignored his question.

    Public Relations class 101 - Always answer questions asked of you and don't skirt the issue.


    Public Relations class 201-
    --If you don't like the answer to the question redirect the topic to answers that you do like.
    --If you can't skirt the issue of the questioner make some outlandish accusation about them. Then back it up with made up data.


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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    Wow! I just revisited this thread and it definitely has grown legs. Luckily the flurry of spam I was getting from Nick G and the other internachi spammers lasted all of one day but it was a lot for one day. It was like somebody just kept hitting the send button.

    "It takes a big man to cry. It takes an even bigger man to laugh at that man". - Jack Handey

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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    It is kinda funny how your original post took off. A bit of a hoooooot.


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    Default Re: Getting Spammed By Internachi & Nick Gromicko

    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Sorrells View Post
    It is kinda funny how your original post took off. A bit of a hoooooot.
    Anything related to that association takes off - there are the defenders of the defenseless, and there are the truth tellers showing why there is no defense for those defenders to use ... but they use it anyway.

    Oh-oh ... get ready for another onslaught from those defenders ... I just stuck a stick in their hornets nest ...

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