Thread: HELP: If you have ever taken and failed the NHIE, InterNACHI needs your help.

If you are correct and it is dead with no value, then maybe you can explain why ASHI spent hard-earned members' dues on going to court three times in a row (LOST all three times BTW) in three failed attempts to try to prevent InterNACHI from getting a judgment against NAHI.

Originally Posted by Lisa Endza

If you are correct and it is dead with no value, then maybe you can explain why ASHI spent hard-earned members' dues on going to court three times in a row (LOST all three times BTW) in three failed attempts to try to prevent InterNACHI from getting a judgment against NAHI.

And here we go again ... off to the races ...

... going into the first turn (again) is Lisa ...

... not realizing the race was completed without her ...

... everyone else is in the pits watching the lonely racer race herself - she knows, just knows, that somewhere up ahead of her ... is something of value ...


... Lisa ... that is a carrot on a stick which is tied to your back ... you will never catch that carrot ... but it does keep you going in circles ...

Carrots? Hm.

So if you are correct and it is dead with no value, then maybe you can explain why ASHI spent hard-earned members' dues on going to court three times in a row (LOST all three times BTW) in three failed attempts to try to prevent InterNACHI from getting a judgment against NAHI. Can you?

Deja vu all over again. I think Lisa is stuck in a programing infinite loop. Maybe she needs to be rebooted or just plain booted.....

Or maybe if you are correct and it is dead with no value, then you can explain why ASHI spent hard-earned members' dues on going to court three times in a row (LOST all three times BTW) in three failed attempts to try to prevent InterNACHI from getting a judgment against NAHI. Apparently you can't.

Originally Posted by Lisa Endza

Or maybe if you are correct and it is dead with no value, then you can explain why ASHI spent hard-earned members' dues on going to court three times in a row (LOST all three times BTW) in three failed attempts to try to prevent InterNACHI from getting a judgment against NAHI. Apparently you can't.

Originally Posted by Garry Sorrells

Deja vu all over again. I think Lisa is stuck in a programing infinite loop. Maybe she needs to be rebooted or just plain booted.....

Yep ... the record is scratched, causing the needle to jump track and repeat itself ... oblivious to what is going on outside that groove.

Jerry,
Remember back when your children were little and they would have a tantrum where the would just keep saying the same thing over and over and over?? Thinking that some how that would make it valid. Apparently Lilsa thinks that the argument of reiteration is her salvation for validation. It did work at Jones Town( correction - Jonestown ), though many see through the haze of noise and see reality. Surprisingly there are those with less developed minds who don't.

Jamestown? Hm.

Anyway, if you are correct and it is dead with no value, then would you please can explain why ASHI spent hard-earned members' dues on going to court three times in a row (LOST all three times BTW) in three failed attempts to try to prevent InterNACHI from getting a judgment against NAHI?

We'd all love to hear your answer. Don't try to skirt the question by talking about "Jamestown" or "carrots." Pretend you are doing some expert witness work in your profession and answer directly.

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Yep ... the record is scratched, causing the needle to jump track and repeat itself ... oblivious to what is going on outside that groove.

For a long time vinyl records have been been forgotten due to the CD development. Many people don't have a clue about using and caring for real records much less what happens when damaged. Yet there has been a resurgence in the production of vinyl. Funny how old become new and interesting.

I have a feeling that our little friend would put on a record that was scratched (damaged) and be oblivious that the same song was playing over and over. Probably would think that there was only one song on that big vinyl 33 1/3 disk because the rest was just for show and marketing.

Pretty sure that most know or made the connection, though I originally spelled it incorrectly (didn't proof read), that Jones Town = Jonestown.

Originally Posted by Garry Sorrells

I have a feeling that our little friend would put on a record that was scratched (damaged) and be oblivious that the same song was playing over and over. Probably would think that there was only one song on that big vinyl 33 1/3 disk because the rest was just for show and marketing.

She/he may not realize that the answer to their riddle is on the flip side ... oh ... wait ... there is a "flip side"? CDs don't have "flip sides" so she/he may not know that.

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

She/he may not realize that the answer to their riddle is on the flip side ... oh ... wait ... there is a "flip side"? CDs don't have "flip sides" so she/he may not know that.

Well there is/was 2 sided CDs but the production cost and usability had issues. But, that was a while ago, thinking 10 yrs. So s/he may have been at the sand box and would not know it.

Otherwise, like working a rotary phone when all you have seen and used were touch tone.

How about Dave In India. DII or Dii for she/he or s/he???

Originally Posted by Garry Sorrells

Well there is/was 2 sided CDs but the production cost and usability had issues. But, that was a while ago, thinking 10 yrs. So s/he may have been at the sand box and would not know it.

Otherwise, like working a rotary phone when all you have seen and used were touch tone.

How about Dave In India. DII or Dii for she/he or s/he???

NLCS (Nick/Lisa/current surrogate)

Or maybe:

Alice (Alice in Wonderland on the other side of the looking glass)

Dorothy (from the Wizard of Oz)

Maybe Toto would be better for Lisa

Tattoo ("De plane, de plane" from Fantasy Island)

I kind of like Tattoo or Toto ...

Originally Posted by Claude Lawrenson

Robert with all due respect, which course or program have you specifically claimed as outdated. As an example in a business I am involved with we just updated our courses. We do that "annually". At the college we had annual internal reviews and every 3 to 5 years external reviews.

Yes, there may be some training materials out there that is sold that has seen little updating; but to "ASSUME" that is the case for every training vendor is more misleading promotion by one association.

Again as another point - the courses that I have been involved with received to reviews by provincial oversight prior to receiving acceptance. Perhaps take another look at more relevant articles that offer a realistic counterpoint.

Perhaps I should compose a study of "why unproctored exams are harmful to consumers", or perhaps why "exams certification is not a true measure of competence", or something that addresses reasons why "candidates fail exams".

Again when was the last DACUM (Developing a Curriculum) completed for home inspections? I know several that have been completed within the last 5 years in Canada alone. Accredited training providers keep up with "curriculum", while others will fall behind.

Why do you think I would invest in attaining DACUM Facilitator and Credentialing Specialist? Simply because I realize its' importance to the home inspection and education sector.

Perhaps on another note - you need to consider the targeted audience for your referenced article, and also consider the state of education in general in Canada versus the US. It certainly was not specific addressing "home inspection" training and education.

In all the discussion about learning management systems, open educational resources (OERs(link is external)), massive open online courses (MOOCs(link is external)), and the benefits and challenges of online learning, perhaps the most important issues concern how technology is changing the way we teach and - more importantly - the way students learn. For want of a better term, we call this “pedagogy.” A New Pedagogy is Emerging... and Online Learning is a Key Contributing Factor | teachonline.ca


That is why InterNACHI is leading, and will be leading the home inspection industry at this time.
Governments have accepted their pedagogy.

Educators, then teachers and now, professors are using an old method of class room teaching. This method was based on/for factory and assembly line works. Question to students in grid lined rooms with desks asking students to raise your hand during Q&A.
Grade school. A, B, C, D, E, F for failure.
Percentages. A: 100, B: 90, C: 80, D: 70, C: 60, etc…

WHAT TRIGGERS THIS NEW PEDAGOGY?
Changes in society, student expectations, and technology are motivating innovative university and college faculty and instructors to re-think pedagogy and teaching methods.
New Demands of a Knowledge-Based Society
There are several separate factors at work here. The first is the continuing development of new knowledge, making it difficult to compress all that learners need to know within the limited time span of a post-secondary course or program. This means helping learners to manage knowledge - how to find, analyze, evaluate, and apply knowledge as it constantly shifts and grows.
The second factor is the increased emphasis on skills or applying knowledge to meet the demands of 21st century society, skills such as critical thinking, independent learning, knowing how to use relevant information technology, software, and data within a field of discipline, and entrepreneurialism. The development of such skills requires active learning in rich and complex environments, with plenty of opportunities to develop, apply and practice such skills.
Lastly, it means developing students with the skills to manage their own learning throughout life, so they can continue to learn after graduation.

Thanks Robert, you just confirmed what has already taken place in many learning environments. InterNACHI is one of many others even in the home inspection sector that have changed the way "people" learn.

Originally Posted by ROBERT YOUNG

In all the discussion about learning management systems, open educational resources (OERs(link is external)), massive open online courses (MOOCs(link is external)), and the benefits and challenges of online learning, perhaps the most important issues concern how technology is changing the way we teach and - more importantly - the way students learn. For want of a better term, we call this “pedagogy.” A New Pedagogy is Emerging... and Online Learning is a Key Contributing Factor | teachonline.ca


That is why InterNACHI is leading, and will be leading the home inspection industry at this time.
Governments have accepted their pedagogy.

Educators, then teachers and now, professors are using an old method of class room teaching. This method was based on/for factory and assembly line works. Question to students in grid lined rooms with desks asking students to raise your hand during Q&A.
Grade school. A, B, C, D, E, F for failure.
Percentages. A: 100, B: 90, C: 80, D: 70, C: 60, etc…

WHAT TRIGGERS THIS NEW PEDAGOGY?
Changes in society, student expectations, and technology are motivating innovative university and college faculty and instructors to re-think pedagogy and teaching methods.
New Demands of a Knowledge-Based Society
There are several separate factors at work here. The first is the continuing development of new knowledge, making it difficult to compress all that learners need to know within the limited time span of a post-secondary course or program. This means helping learners to manage knowledge - how to find, analyze, evaluate, and apply knowledge as it constantly shifts and grows.
The second factor is the increased emphasis on skills or applying knowledge to meet the demands of 21st century society, skills such as critical thinking, independent learning, knowing how to use relevant information technology, software, and data within a field of discipline, and entrepreneurialism. The development of such skills requires active learning in rich and complex environments, with plenty of opportunities to develop, apply and practice such skills.
Lastly, it means developing students with the skills to manage their own learning throughout life, so they can continue to learn after graduation.

Did you plan on plagiarizing the entire article, or just the section you posted?

A New Pedagogy is Emerging... and Online Learning is a Key Contributing Factor | teachonline.ca

Originally Posted by Robert Sheppard

Did you plan on plagiarizing the entire article, or just the section you posted?

A New Pedagogy is Emerging... and Online Learning is a Key Contributing Factor | teachonline.ca

Poor Robert.

Hard to accept things new?

That is why InterNACHI is leading, and will be leading the home inspection industry at this time.
Governments have accepted their pedagogy.

Educators, then teachers and now, professors are using an old method of class room teaching. This method was based on/for factory and assembly line works. Question to students in grid lined rooms with desks asking students to raise your hand during Q&A.
Grade school. A, B, C, D, E, F for failure.
Percentages. A: 100, B: 90, C: 80, D: 70, C: 60, etc…

Robert Y, respectfully when was the last time you attended and actually participated in an "adult education" setting?

Things have changed significantly, so to generalize and believe that teaching has not changed is truly being unfortunate. Have you heard of the inverted classroom, or perhaps that technologies and methodologies of delivery have changed?

Perhaps on another note since most of this was about failing the NHIE exam, and comments about mathematical rather than "strategic guessing" (credit to NHIE), in a 4 part M/C question the candidate has a 25% probability of guessing the correct answer. Of course as noted odds can increase if the candidate actually knows something about the topic to increase the odds. However it is highly unlikely that "guessing" your way through will simply work for everyone. Ultimately who does it really diminish other than the candidate?

In some M/C exams odds can change by simply adding 5 responses, rather than 4, or by changing the type of M/C question to identify a condition.

As I stated earlier, InterNACHI is not the only exam that can claim mastery of home inspection exams. Perhaps take a good close look around at least in Canada and actually realize what has changed and what exams have been accepted for home inspectors. Now consider the actual candidates background taking the exam. - Respectfully - the knowledge and quality will vary!

Here's more food for thought regarding "Test Inspections".

We have calculated that through an actual "field testing" and with a peer review process that approximately 20% fail to meet a minimum 80% pass grade on reporting "significant defects" on a test house. Perhaps I should also note that having tested well over 300 candidates to date that are claiming to be "certified home inspectors" (those holding a H.I. designation).

So as you can see there are other means to test the knowledge, skills and abilities other than just a written or perhaps the more current version of an online exam.

Originally Posted by Claude Lawrenson

Robert, respectfully when was the last time you attended and actually participated in an "adult education" setting?

Things have changed significantly, so to generalize and believe that teaching has not changed is truly being unfortunate. Have you heard of the inverted classroom, or perhaps that technologies and methodologies of delivery have changed?

Perhaps on another note since most of this was about failing the NHIE exam, and comments about mathematical rather than "strategic guessing" (credit to NHIE), in a 4 part M/C question the candidate has a 25% probability of guessing the correct answer. Of course as noted odds can increase if the candidate actually knows something about the topic to increase the odds. However it is highly unlikely that "guessing" your way through will simply work for everyone. Ultimately who does it really diminish other than the candidate?

In some M/C exams odds can change by simply adding 5 responses, rather than 4, or by changing the type of M/C question to identify a condition.

As I stated earlier, InterNACHI is not the only exam that can claim mastery of home inspection exams. Perhaps take a good close look around at least in Canada and actually realize what has changed and what exams have been accepted for home inspectors. Now consider the actual candidates background taking the exam. - Respectfully - the knowledge and quality will vary!

Last week. I gave a educational presentation for a major insurer, the focus was wind mitigation for residential structures.

Originally Posted by Robert Sheppard

Last week. I gave a educational presentation for a major insurer, the focus was wind mitigation for residential structures.

Claude was referring to "the other" "Robert".

Guess we should include just the quote box (leave the beginning and ending quote brackets, but delete everything else, or include a minimal quote) ... use first name with first letter of last name (Robert S or Robert Y), or maybe first letter of first name with last name (R Sheppard, R Young) so we know who the reply is too.

I prefer the minimal quote as that gives a reference to what follows:

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

just because

or

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

-

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Claude was referring to "the other" "Robert".

Thanks it was intended to respond to Robert Y.
Cheers.....

Last week. I gave a educational presentation for a major insurer

I trust the educational presentation wasn't on the use of indefinite articles.

Originally Posted by Robert Sheppard

Last week. I gave a educational presentation for a major insurer, the focus was wind mitigation for residential structures.

Robert,
Being criticized for an "a" rather than an "an" is probably the most notable thing that our little darling has written in quite some time. I would not give it much credence nor any concern. I realize that the fingers may not be as quick as the mind directing them. Next will be a spelling bee.

For those that may not pick up on this grand distinction I include a link or two:

https://www.butte.edu/departments/ca.../articles.html

When to Use Definite vs. Indefinite Articles | Dictionary.com Blog

Last week. I gave a educational presentation for a major insurer

Last week, I rode my bicycle down the driveway really fast Mommy!

Originally Posted by Claude Lawrenson

Robert Y, respectfully when was the last time you attended and actually participated in an "adult education" setting?

Several years back.
Family prohibited me from completing the curriculum.
I will be enrolling again this year seeing things have changed.
McGill adult education. I have been invited.
Dawson college. Langues. French level 4.

Originally Posted by Claude Lawrenson

Things have changed significantly, so to generalize and believe that teaching has not changed is truly being unfortunate. Have you heard of the inverted classroom, or perhaps that technologies and methodologies of delivery have changed?

I attended Dawson New School (Arts) when it first opened.
I remember using bata video recorders on loan from the National Film Board any many trip to the NFB.

Unique educational model.
Open classrooms. Students graded themselves. Teachers had a say in marks.
It still exists today some >40 years later.

Originally Posted by Claude Lawrenson

Perhaps on another note since most of this was about failing the NHIE exam, and comments about mathematical rather than "strategic guessing" (credit to NHIE), in a 4 part M/C question the candidate has a 25% probability of guessing the correct answer. Of course as noted odds can increase if the candidate actually knows something about the topic to increase the odds. However it is highly unlikely that "guessing" your way through will simply work for everyone. Ultimately who does it really diminish other than the candidate?

Strategic guessing, Lol. Thanks for the laugh!
You mean traditional education. Teacher-(centered) delivery. Instructional education.
Tests as follows. A set of questions (in random) on paper, the same question, in different number sequence on papers. "To avoiding cheating." Lol....

Technology is often named as the major difference between distance education and traditional forms of education. It is my belief that distance education will be the driving force in the next decade.

Originally Posted by Claude Lawrenson

In some M/C exams odds can change by simply adding 5 responses, rather than 4, or by changing the type of M/C question to identify a condition.

If you wish to validate the statement, show an example so we can debate or have a reasonable argument.

Originally Posted by Claude Lawrenson

As I stated earlier, InterNACHI is not the only exam that can claim mastery of home inspection exams. Perhaps take a good close look around at least in Canada and actually realize what has changed and what exams have been accepted for home inspectors. Now consider the actual candidates background taking the exam. - Respectfully - the knowledge and quality will vary!

As to your post's, "InterNACHI is not the only exam that can claim mastery of home inspection exams."
Yes, I concur. But they are the largest and most recognised by state regulators.

Best, Claude.
Robert

I would think it would be easy to distinguish who is who by the posts. Kind of endearing to me when I have to be defined within the same string as Robert Sheppard.
Thanks gentlemen.

Originally Posted by ROBERT YOUNG

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I attended Dawson New School (Arts) when it first opened.
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Unique educational model.
Open classrooms. Students graded themselves. Teachers had a say in marks.
It still exists today some >40 years later.
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[[[ "Originally Posted by Claude Lawrenson In some M/C exams odds can change by simply adding 5 responses, rather than 4, or by changing the type of M/C question to identify a condition. "]]]


If you wish to validate the statement, show an example so we can debate or have a reasonable argument.
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Robert, Allow me to preface my comments by saying that I do not intend to damage your ego or insult you. I am not disparaging you personally, only making the (definite article) observations. With a few conclusions.

You educational model experience explains a lot. A product of free range education and self expression.

If you don't understand the difference between 1:4 and 1:5 probability you are in a poor position to argue testing methodology either practical, theoretical or applied. Kinda goes also for practical, theoretical or applied mathematics. Probability in math is not arguable it has been defined and is an excepted axiom. The issue with the OP's article is that it had to use extreme axiom as its starting point to attempt reaching a false narrative.

You may want to look into "discrete probability distributions" and "basic probability theory". Here is a probability question; If you flip a coin 100 times is there a probability that you will get 100 heads? Hint: there may be subsets.

I understand that by you educational background it is more about how you feel about what you know rather than actually know what you know. ((our English major can sort out that last sentence)) You can not be wrong because you feel that it is correct.

So " don't worry be happy" on the other side of the looking glass.

Originally Posted by Robert Sheppard

Did you plan on plagiarizing the entire article, or just the section you posted?

A New Pedagogy is Emerging... and Online Learning is a Key Contributing Factor | teachonline.ca

Originally Posted by ROBERT YOUNG

Poor Robert.

Hard to accept things new? .......................

That is the best response to explaining plagiarism. Now that is sad. I still think that it is possible yet not confirmed that Nicki took his article from someone else in part or whole.

Originally Posted by Garry Sorrells

Robert,
Being criticized for an "a" rather than an "an" is probably the most notable thing that our little darling has written in quite some time. I would not give it much credence nor any concern. I realize that the fingers may not be as quick as the mind directing them. Next will be a spelling bee.

For those that may not pick up on this grand distinction I include a link or two:

https://www.butte.edu/departments/ca.../articles.html

When to Use Definite vs. Indefinite Articles | Dictionary.com Blog

LOL…..If I’m honest, I really didn’t even see it until she pointed it out.

She’s sounded so giddy and excited about finding it that I just couldn’t bring myself to change it.

Robert S.,
Yep, so happy with themselves that you just don't have the heart to burst their bubble. Your a big man Charlie Brown..

Originally Posted by Robert Young

Unique educational model.
Open classrooms. Students graded themselves. Teachers had a say in marks.

That explains a lot.

I wonder how many students thought that they were "below average" and gave themselves an 'F' or a 'D'?

Sounds a lot like Lake Wobegon, where the women are strong, all the men are good looking, all of the children are above average and they all grade themselves.

Originally Posted by Garry Sorrells

Sounds a lot like Lake Wobegon, where the women are strong, all the men are good looking, all of the children are above average and they all grade themselves.

Sounded much better when Garrison Keillor said it - seems lame for someone else to brag about 'above average' ...

Students grade themselves ... if one were to ask what grade they got only the below average ones would give themselves anything other than A/100/perfect score ... to give themselves less would indicate that 'they didn't get it' as to why they went to school.

That is why he has the show and we don't.