NACHI answers NAHI's motion files in the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
EASTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN SOUTHERN DIVISION.

http://www.nachi.org/documents/Respo...ssociation.pdf

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David Nice
http://www.nationalcertified.com
National Certified Inspection Services, Inc.Wauwatosa, WI

Misleading statements? Who should we believe?
I find it interesting that nicks claim on number of dues paying members do not show,= $s to balance on his posted financial statement..

While this is not the message board that would normally find people interested in the truth, David, it is still good for you to post it here. Thanks.

Dan,

Since Mallory's own deposition admits the NAHI offers membership deals and discounts from time to time as well, there would be no correlation between the financial statement of either organization to the actual number of qualified members.

"NAHI also alleges that Mr. Gromicko is lying when he states that NACHI has more than
8,000 members, but NAHI offers no evidence to support this. NACHI, in fact, has 8,653 dues
paying members in North America and a list of each and every one of them may be viewed at
Featured Inspectors - The National Association of Certified Home Inspectors. Gromicko Aff. at para. 12."

Of course you would know that if you actually read the answer instead of just regurgitating the same misinformation from NAHI's motion. But then, that's what you do. It will be interesting to see what the judge has to say, if he doesn't just dismiss their motion in it's entirety.

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David Nice
http://www.nationalcertified.com
National Certified Inspection Services, Inc.Wauwatosa, WI

It will be interesting to see what the judge has to say, if he doesn't just dismiss their motion in it's entirety.
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I Agree.
Untill then, It is also interesting to see pay back by others for all the years of public bashing, [by nick and his followers ] along with his threating to put others out of business.
I also find it interesting that since being challanged by some one bigger than him, when he was busted for illegaly used that persons copywritten materials, he now plays the big bully role by just going after the little guys.

Dan,

Is it public bashing to take a stand against the practice of allowing your members to perform repairs on homes they have inspected?

Not so sure that NAHI or Mallory will appreciate your backhanded complement projecting their image as "little guys" but your concern is noted.

Joe.

Back in March Nick announced that membership had topped 9800, now only 4 months later it's down to 8600, it must be a trend, 8 or 9 months ago there were approximately 36 to 38 Nachi members in the Spokane, WA/Coeur d'Alene ID area, now there are 13, ASHI Membership has remained the same for the same period of time, and the total number of Inspectors has increased.

Nick also still claims "Nearly 10,000 members":

"NACHI is pleased to announce AskNACHI.org, a complete resource for anyone with questions about home inspections. AskNACHI.org harnesses the power of NACHI's industry-leading message board to bring consumer's and real estate professional's questions to nearly 10,000 NACHI-certified home inspectors. Simply go to Ask NACHI - Home Inspection Questions, Home Inspectors and type in your question."
NACHI provides consumers and real estate agents with direct access to 10,000 inspection professionals. - The National Association of Certified Home Inspectors

I don't agree with the practice or with an association allowing its members to perform work on a home they inspected, but in States where it is not against the law, it must not be Immoral, at least according to your CMI Chairmans way of thinking. Legal=Moral according to an official Nick appointee.

CMI does not support the immoral idea of inspectors performing work on houses that they inspect.

John McKenna, CMI
President - Master Inspector Certification Board
Home - Certified Master Inspector
Professional Inspector & Approved Trainer (TREC #4565)
Certified Building Science Thermographer (#33493)
Texas Home Inspector, Thermal Imaging Inspection, Conroe, Bryan, Lufkin, Athens

In a post on the Nachi Message board you said that :

"The CMI designation is used by inspectors to enhance their credibility to the
consumer, just like someone who markets themselves as "NACHI Certified".
Both are legal and there is nothing immoral about either."

You equated Legality with morality, so why should it be different where States permit Inspectors to perform work on homes they have inspected. I believe that is unethical, but no more so than claiming that you possess skills and competency levels that you do not.

You also stated that:

"The designation is legal and those who have completed the requirements can
walk into any court and not fear they have misrepresented the designation that
was issued to them. The standards are clearly listed on the CMI web site,
regardless of what anyone says. I have presented myself to the public as an
inspector who has met those standards, no more and no less."

You may want to talk with your attorney about what the Term Master "implies" and about the lack of definition of the term in your marketing materials. Also more than half of your members probably cannot meet your "new" standards of 1000 inspections/hours or 3 years in business, yet your website claims that they do. InterNachi members who joined last year with only 150 hours of "education" and very few if any inspections under their belts still claim CMI status, another deception.

You website, as has been pointed out before, does not require Home Inspection experience or Home Inspection Education, according to your present requirements any type of inspection "ON" a home would qualify someone to become a Certified Master "INSPECTOR", maybe your members should consider removing any reference to "Home" from their marketing materials.

Legal is not always moral, deceptive and misleading certifications and designations may be legal, but they are not moral. Your "Certifications" are very easily discredited by explaining to potential clients, Realtors, Legislators etc., the standards, qualifications, verification, and testing practices behind them, most find the use of such "certifications" and their use unethical at best.

An interNachi question for you John, how many of the 8600 members joined within the past 12 months and how many past members with less than two years membership left?

What home inspector organization allows it's members to perform repairs on homes that they have inspected?

Last I heard NAHI stopped this practice when the changed their COE a few months back. It was done when a large percentage of the membership complained and did not agree with the practice.

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Scott Patterson
Spring Hill, TN
http://www.traceinspections.com

Scott,

What the hell is wrong with you!! Don't you know if you don't update your information, you never have to worry about being right/wrong

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"If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress?"
Richard Rushing, HCRI
Duncanville, Tx.

If people would quit taking Dan's bait, it wouldn't have come up. They got pummeled for allowing it, they changed it, pummeling (on that issue) done. They should be acknowledged for aligning their policies to reflect that of ASHI and NACHI on the issue and end of story, done, finis, over and out.

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David Nice
http://www.nationalcertified.com
National Certified Inspection Services, Inc.Wauwatosa, WI

My bait??
The only thing I've seen here, and on other posts, are facts, I also noticed harvey is jealous that another one of his former fellow members will not be riding with him on the short bus

I find it mind boggling that people raised such a stink over NAHI allowing their inspectors to perform repairs on houses they inspected. There is far more potential for conflicts of interests in allowing inspectors to solicit realtors for referrals but nobody says anything about that. If an organization wants to set the ethics bar, let them take that idea and run with it. It will never happen in our lifetime.

Texas does not allow home inspectors to work on repair items they list in their reports. I happen to agree with them.

Also, I do not solicit Realtors. Life is simple and my sleep is good.

CMI continues to grow, and does not break agreements previously made. There is no other way to do business IMHO.
To do otherwise would be to hurt someone and I feel it would be better to do no harm, and still move forward
with the needed changes to improve.

John McKenna, CMI
President - Master Inspector Certification Board
Home - Certified Master Inspector
Professional Inspector & Approved Trainer (TREC #4565)
Certified Building Science Thermographer (#33493)
Texas Home Inspector, Thermal Imaging Inspection, Conroe, Bryan, Lufkin, Athens

I wonder what the answer would be if the profession demanded that every member of the other organization meet their current standard? Here in Florida we will soon find out since grandfathering has been disallowed everyone must meet the minimum standards.

I've asked the same question of your associations leaders who have attempted to discredit other associations by saying that many of their older members have never met the newer requirements including taking and passing the NHIE. This seems to be a crime in the eyes of many of your leaders, who expect older ASHI members etc. to take the NHIE like the new members are required to do.

Also, your "requirements" for continued membership in interNachi continue to change, but the way I've read your rules all members must meet the new "education" standards as they evolve, not the standards that were in place when they joined.

So interNachi Leadership demands that other Associations force their members to meet all new membership requirements and the say their own interNachi members must meet any new requirement, but members of the new interNachi Tier, CMI, don't need to meet any new standards. Interesting!

I also like John M's sense of Ethics, he doesn't perfor work on homes he inspects, very ethical. He doesn't seek or market to Realtors for referrals, that's very ethical in the views of some. BUT, he has no qualms about using a designation that was only created to allow inspectors to increase their prices by deceiving clients into believing the inspector is something he is not.
Even Nick and your other leaders say that increase in price is the only goal of CMI.

CMI's new "requirements" say that those who have that designation have completed 1000 inspections or a combination of inspections and self proclaimed "education". How then does a CMI who joined last year with only 150 hours of "education" and possibly ZERO Inspections continue to display the CMI Logo without violation CMI's on COE, along with possibly violating various false advertising laws in various States?

If a client is looking for an inspector and finds one on the internet that is displaying the CMI