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    Default EIFS ON 22 year old SH

    Found this. It might has backing paper in between Poly-styrene & sheathing. the wall is soft when pushing. Some sections seem air bubble trapped behind stucco when press & look from shape. Is it the only way to defer to stucco guy?

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    Default Re: EIFS ON 22 year old SH

    Huh???

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    Default Re: EIFS ON 22 year old SH

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Ostrowski View Post
    Huh???

    Ditto.

    Why are you calling that EIFS?

    Is that polystyrene or some type of drainage/weepage plane?

    Are those cultured stones/stone cladding below? If so. then it will have the same drainage issues as EIFS.

    The area definately looks like water is getting in. Which is this case (as far as I can see in the photo), is a flashing deficiency.

    Slow down, look at the whole area and decide what is there and what is happening. Do you have a moisture meter? Test the sheathing beneath the stone and see if it is wet.

    Perhaps you should recommend an EIFS inspector, of actually a Building Envelope Inspector/Moisture Analyst.

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    Default Re: EIFS ON 22 year old SH

    for sure it is Efis ( poly-styrene board, fiber glass mesh and stucco). I do not want either to defer to stucco guy or to tell client what I have actually seen, the wall just painted and fine. I told them this is problematic wall in rainny BC lower mainland. I think the client have a hard time tonight.

    Guys, give some clue to address this wall. Moisture meter can does not work at this point.

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    Default Re: EIFS ON 22 year old SH

    Peter, I'm not trying to pick on you but your posts are so grammatically fractured and broken that I can't understand what you're saying/asking.

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    Default Re: EIFS ON 22 year old SH

    Sorry Nick, I kept on learning English.

    Actually, this was the first time seeing the EIFS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Louis View Post
    for sure it is Efis ( poly-styrene board, fiber glass mesh and stucco). I do not want either to defer to stucco guy or to tell client what I have actually seen, the wall just painted and fine. I told them this is problematic wall in rainny BC lower mainland. I think the client have a hard time tonight.

    Guys, give some clue to address this wall. Moisture meter can does not work at this point.
    Peter,

    Like Nick, I am having a difficult time understanding you, it is appearant that english is not your native tongue. That's ok, I'm sure your english is better than I can speak whatever language is yours. Would it be french?

    OK, I'll try.

    Si vous n'êtes pas familier avec EIFS, faites-vous et votre client une faveur, et trouver quelqu'un là-dedans qui est familier avec EIFS. Si ce n'est pas que vous faites un service terrible maladie à votre client.

    Pourquoi voudriez-vous leur dire que tout est ok, si vous pensez qu'il ya un problème?

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    Default Re: EIFS ON 22 year old SH

    Bien que la maison que vous inspection peut avoir EIFS sur elle, le problème de la photographie est un problème clignotant, et ce serait un problème avec toute la maison. Voir quelques photos de plus.

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    Default Re: EIFS ON 22 year old SH

    YES,the crawl vent is terrible. I told them to fix that. EIFS wall caused me more concern. I talked to 2 senior HIs. They gave me 2 different opinion. One said we cannot find the possible latent damage and tell the client to have the stucco contractor evaluate. In this case, I believe the wall replacement is quite possible no matter whatever the reality is. The other senior told me that if I did not see any defect, just tell what I have seen " that wall just be painted and acceptable and do not mention the further inspection which could make trouble.


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    Default Re: EIFS ON 22 year old SH

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Louis View Post
    ...The other senior told me that if I did not see any defect, just tell what I have seen " that wall just be painted and acceptable and do not mention the further inspection which could make trouble.
    Do not listen to that person. It's not your job to worry about making trouble.
    You have enough evidence to question the entire installation, which is what I would do, and recommend a specialist (NOT the original stucco contractor) do a full analysis.

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    Default Re: EIFS ON 22 year old SH

    If it has bubbles this sounds like the lamina is pulling away or delamination is taking place. Anyway, bubbles are not part of the system so you know that is a problem. Most likely the bubbles are not the only thing that is wrong.

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    Default Re: EIFS ON 22 year old SH

    Peter...here is what the NCHILB recommends when EIFS is found. I might give you some ideas as to what you want to convey to your client.


    "This house is clad with a synthetic stucco system known as Exterior Insulating Finishing System , also known as EIFS. EIFS is an exterior cladding system used widely in new construction and remodeling during the 1980’s and 1990’s. This material, while relatively maintenance free, may cause problems because moisture trapped behind its surface cannot escape, potentially resulting in decay of structural components. The most common source for water penetration behind the EIFS is at joints where it meets other materials. Problems with water infiltration due to improper installation of the system or simply leaks through other building components have led to numerous complaints and nationwide class action lawsuits against the installers and manufacturers of this product. Revisions to installation requirements in the mid 1990’s mandated the installation of a moisture barrier and drainage plane behind the EIFS, and this has reduced the potential for problems. A home inspector’s visual inspection may not reveal the presence of water infiltration and structural deterioration. The client should have the exterior cladding of this home evaluated by a qualified EIFS inspector or competent stucco repair contractor, including testing for moisture behind the EIFS. For more information about EIFS and for recommendations of qualified moisture testing specialists, visit the Exterior Design Institute at http://www.exterior-design-inst.com."


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    Default Re: EIFS ON 22 year old SH

    Although the picture makes it difficult to tell, I think what you're refering to as paper between the EPS and sheathing is actually dried adhesive. Looks like there is blue mesh, probably Dryvit's plywood adhesive, ADEPS could appear when dry to look like paper. Are the "bubbles between the lamina and the EPS or the EPS and the plywood.


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