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    Default residential exit

    Does a 30" patio set qualify as a residential exit door?

    I say no.

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    Default Re: residential exit

    No, but ...

    Is that the ONLY exit door?

    Basically speaking, the door needs to be a standard 3-0 x 6-8 door to meet minimum height and width requirements.

    An also be side hinged.

    Sliding glass doors are automatically not an exit/egress door.

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    Default Re: residential exit

    Thanks for the reply.

    Space is "habitable space" built into corner of a bigger ag buidling.

    Local inspector has busted the owner/builder and wants the space to meet residential, I guess treating it as a house with a garage.

    Local inspector refuses (because he doesn't understand his job) to inspect any existing building, so makes owner hire me to give him a checklist to bring space to sfd status.

    Only other exit is a 2-8 door into the ag space.

    I found so many items missing I just wrote him a hellfire argument over the use, calling it an ag building with amenities.

    I have heard that they worked out a settlement but the owner was unwilling to make all the modifications the space needed to meet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jim baird View Post
    Space is "habitable space" built into corner of a bigger ag buidling.
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    I found so many items missing I just wrote him a hellfire argument over the use, calling it an ag building with amenities.
    Define "habitable space".

    What is in it?

    Is it a "bunkhouse" in the ag building? (with sleeping area)

    Or is it just "recreation room"/"man cave"? (no sleeping area)

    Sounds like it could be a mixed occupancy building at that point, and the Building Code would apply instead of the Residential Code, with the residential sections of the Building Code possibly being applicable to that space - or not (depends on the use of the space).

    Regardless, though, the minimum egress exit size would be the same, and if that has a "sleeping area" (such as a bunkhouse), then it would need an EERO.

    Not enough information wass given here to guess about more than that.

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    Default Re: residential exit

    Thanks Jerry. I wasn't asking about anything but opinions on patio sets.

    The building is a hot mess and the inspector is a little man with a little authority.

    He can't even grasp ideas like mixed use etc.

    In our state we have to use nfpa 101 to establish occupancy, but that code does not address separation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jim baird View Post
    Thanks Jerry. I wasn't asking about anything but opinions on patio sets.
    Jim,

    And that is why I was clarifying what I was referring to.

    "patio sets" could mean "sliding glass doors" or "double french doors" - thus why I clarified the side hinged door aspect, and then the heights and widths.

    Added with edit: a "patio set" could also be a sliding french door look (6, 9, etc lites in the doors which slide instead of hinged/swing).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    Sliding glass doors are automatically not an exit/egress door.
    Hey Jerry, is this stipulated or assumed based on process of elimination or? just curious..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc M View Post
    Hey Jerry, is this stipulated or assumed based on process of elimination or? just curious..
    Marc,

    Stipulated - the code specifies what is required for an egress door: minimum height, width, side hinged, etc in R311.2.

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    Default Re: residential exit

    A slider would be OK as long as there was at least one that met the code - CORRECT??? I haven't looked it up, but I thought that you only had to have one exit door that met the requirements.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Feldmann View Post
    A slider would be OK as long as there was at least one that met the code - CORRECT??? I haven't looked it up, but I thought that you only had to have one exit door that met the requirements.
    Jack,

    A residence is required to have one door that meets the requirements of egress door. After that, it can be ridiculous narrow sliders.

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    Default Re: residential exit

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    No, but ...

    Is that the ONLY exit door?

    Basically speaking, the door needs to be a standard 3-0 x 6-8 door to meet minimum height and width requirements.

    An also be side hinged.

    Sliding glass doors are automatically not an exit/egress door.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    Marc,

    Stipulated - the code specifies what is required for an egress door: minimum height, width, side hinged, etc in R311.2.
    Sounds good.. TY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist View Post
    A residence is required to have one door that meets the requirements of egress door. After that, it can be ridiculous narrow sliders.
    Or a doggy door (as long as it meets EERO sizes where an EERO is required).

    After stating the minimum requirements for the egress door, the IRC states: "Other doors shall not be required to comply with these minimum dimensions."

    Not sure how "dimensions" got transferred over to going from "side hinged" to allowing sliding doors ... but sliding doors are allowed for doors which area "other doors" (other than the one required "egress door").

    Are all doors allowed to meet egress door size requirements? Absolutely, and I would think that would be common sense (setting aside that 'side hinged' aspect to allow for sliding doors).

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