How to test for chinese drywall - InspectionNews

Mark Beckerman · #1 (**permalink**) 03-26-2009, 03:50 PM

OK I understand that some way's to test for this Chinese drywall is to check inside electrical outlets, to look inside the attic to look for manufactures name on the top of the drywall, and to check the A/C unit. Is there any other ways as home inspectors that we can offer clients to test for this garbage?
Looking for help in south Florida!!!!

wayne soper · #2 (**permalink**) 03-26-2009, 05:11 PM

That's dlywall, or sheetlock you are talking about light?

Kevin Barre · #3 (**permalink**) 03-26-2009, 07:53 PM

We (apparently) don't have it in my state, but I'd suggest if you can't see the back side of the drywall in a return air or similar area that you should go in the attic and pull/rake away some insulation and look for the mfr's markings on the back of the material.

If it says Knauf...

Oh yeah, I assume you meant to ask "How to TEST for Chinese drywall"

Mark Beckerman · #4 (**permalink**) 03-26-2009, 08:11 PM

Yes I did mean TEST sorry for the typo

Jerry Peck · #5 (**permalink**) 03-26-2009, 08:44 PM

Mark,

As I understand it, the best way to tell is to look for the name on the back side along the edges.

Of course, after installation, that is rather difficult.

Here is an easy solution, and it beats the cost of testing hands down: measure up about 49" above the floor, that should be the horizontal joint between the sheets, cut out a peice about 6" above and 6" below that height, for about 4 feet, that should give enough edge to find the name.

Repairing drywall is cheap and easy, and if the piece comes out in one piece as it should, that same piece can be put back in and patched around. Of course, if it is Chinese drywall, put it back in temporarily, but why patch it? All of the drywall may end up getting ripped out anyway.

Damon McCarty · #6 (**permalink**) 03-27-2009, 07:00 AM

Here is something I found while googlin around.
Chinese Drywall Test Kit
You could suggest it to your client and let them use the test.
I didn't google too long so you may be able to find a cheaper test kit somewhere.

William Levy · #7 (**permalink**) 03-27-2009, 07:41 AM

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Ian Currie · #8 (**permalink**) 03-28-2009, 12:52 AM

I’ve read somewhere that testing only ‘some’ of the drywall or ripping only ‘some’ out to look for the name is not necessarily effective, since many builders will purchase drywall from several sources – meaning that any single house may contain more than one ‘type’ of drywall in it (you may end up testing or ripping out only ‘good’ drywall).

The article also stated that as few as three sheets could be enough to affect an entire home and that tearing out all of the drywall and replacing it may not be enough to solve the effects since the chemical corrosion has already taken place, which means it will continue corroding metal components – wiring, plumbing, structural components like joist hangars and nails (even galvanized), still, after the drywall has been removed. As a result, the article suggested that the only true solution is to bulldoze any houses proven to contain Chinese drywall (signs of corroded wiring, rotten egg smell, sick occupants, etc).

If I come across the article again I’ll post it here. . . .

HOW MANY TIMES DO ‘WE’ NEED TO BE POISONED OR HARMED BY INFERIOR CHINESE PRODUCTS BEFORE OUR GOVERNMENTS DECIDE TO PROTECT US??? LEAD IN PAINT USED ON CHILDREN’S TOYS, TAINTED MILK, HARMFUL CHEMICALS IN CLOTHING and FOOTWEAR, CORROSIVE GASSES IN DRYWALL . . . WHAT’S NEXT????

THEY DO NOT FOLLOW ANY QUALITY GUIDELINES OR HEALTH AND SAFETY REQUIREMENTS THEREFORE PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO BE HARMED,ALL FOR THE SAKE OF SAVING A FEW DOLLARS HERE AND THERE.

THE ENTIRE WORLD SHOULD BAN THE IMPORT OF CHINESE GOODS.

THIS IS SAD!

William Levy · #9 (**permalink**) 03-28-2009, 07:31 AM

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Copper corrosion associated with imported drywall presentation

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William Slade · #10 (**permalink**) 03-28-2009, 09:48 AM

The reason the government doesn't jump on the Chinese is simple... they buy our debt and without them our government can't sell bonds....let's hope they don't decide to call in the markers they already have.... were screwed if they do...b

Ian Currie · #11 (**permalink**) 03-28-2009, 09:57 AM

It's true but sad.

Money is evil!

The Chinese own both the U.S. and Canada governments - very frightening. . .

Steve Lowery · #12 (**permalink**) 04-19-2009, 02:05 PM

The Chinese also control both ends of the Panama Canal.

( this reply was mostly to make Brians "post something" thingy go away)

Ted Menelly · #13 (**permalink**) 04-19-2009, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Currie

I’ve read somewhere that testing only ‘some’ of the drywall or ripping only ‘some’ out to look for the name is not necessarily effective, since many builders will purchase drywall from several sources – meaning that any single house may contain more than one ‘type’ of drywall in it (you may end up testing or ripping out only ‘good’ drywall).

The article also stated that as few as three sheets could be enough to affect an entire home and that tearing out all of the drywall and replacing it may not be enough to solve the effects since the chemical corrosion has already taken place, which means it will continue corroding metal components – wiring, plumbing, structural components like joist hangars and nails (even galvanized), still, after the drywall has been removed. As a result, the article suggested that the only true solution is to bulldoze any houses proven to contain Chinese drywall (signs of corroded wiring, rotten egg smell, sick occupants, etc).

If I come across the article again I’ll post it here. . . .

HOW MANY TIMES DO ‘WE’ NEED TO BE POISONED OR HARMED BY INFERIOR CHINESE PRODUCTS BEFORE OUR GOVERNMENTS DECIDE TO PROTECT US??? LEAD IN PAINT USED ON CHILDREN’S TOYS, TAINTED MILK, HARMFUL CHEMICALS IN CLOTHING and FOOTWEAR, CORROSIVE GASSES IN DRYWALL . . . WHAT’S NEXT????

THEY DO NOT FOLLOW ANY QUALITY GUIDELINES OR HEALTH AND SAFETY REQUIREMENTS THEREFORE PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO BE HARMED,ALL FOR THE SAKE OF SAVING A FEW DOLLARS HERE AND THERE.

THE ENTIRE WORLD SHOULD BAN THE IMPORT OF CHINESE GOODS.

THIS IS SAD!

The part about builders buying rock from more than one supplier for one house in extremely unlikely. When they order from x and they do not have enough rock for that one home then they will just call someone else to get the delivery in one load.

As far as having to buldoze homes that is also extremely unlikely or necessary. There are folks living in homes right now that have the particular product where there is no egg smell and no corrosion of copper or metalic products.

As far as not buying products made in China. Seriously, there is more than likely something in everything you buy that is made in China. Not to mention after Obama is done china will own all the debt in this country and then it will all be made in China.

The banks are coming back in droves to pay money back that the Feds lterally forced on them. Now the problem is that even if they pay the money back it appears the Feds will still have partial control over them. Taking that money was tantamount to signing a conrete on *we now own you*

The most outrageous mass gov spending throughout all of history and the dems are still chomping at the bit to give more money out to every freaking program they have wanted to in decades but could never pull it off.

There is such a thing as keeping some major large corps heads above water but then you have the massive rest of it literaly getting thrown at states and some goveners trying as hard as they can to refuse it and throw it back before they get brought down with it.

Don't buy from China. Absolutely impossible at this time.

Ian Currie · #14 (**permalink**) 04-19-2009, 09:41 PM

I realize that it is truly impossible for anyone in North America to 'boycott' Chinese products by choosing not to buy Chinese - since nearly everything that is on the shelves is made in China. I also know that our governments will never (at least no time soon) stop importing Chinese goods. We're in a catch 22 situation - a vicious circle. Along the lines of your comments; they 'own' us, but it's sad. Not only that; but there are enough people around who will save a buck regardless of the consequences.

Chinese goods, far too often, contain toxic or poisonous materials and have killed and sickened North Americans. It's a fact. . . and it will continue to happen; all for the sake of the all mighty dollar. It all boils down to money - the need the greed and the corruption. It's as simple as that.

fritzkelly · #15 (**permalink**) 04-19-2009, 10:47 PM

Ian, if Chinese products are sooo dangerous, why are there so friggin many Chinese??

Damon McCarty · #16 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 03:00 AM

They send their dangerous products out of their country.
But then again maybe they are slanted because of their products.
I heard even the womens "you know what" is slanted.

William Levy · #17 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 06:43 AM

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Mark Schniers · #18 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 07:12 AM

If the new administration here in the U.S. is going to do anything productive, it should ban all Chinese imports until strict verification processes (product assurances) are in place. Instead, we are over there catering to them for the sake of GDP numbers (money). What good is trade balance when what we bring into our economy (through prostituting this Christian country) when the money gained will need to be redistributed to health care professional, attorney's, (much of which will end up back in the Chinese and other economies) etc. We could greatly affect the imbalance by restricting the import of unverified products. It does not help the common citizen to any measurable degree. What we can measure is the disruption it causes in maintaining peace of mind, knowing our families are safe. I feel The United States is in the back pocket of the Chinese government at the expense of citizens of this great country. America would have to do without some things for a while. That is my PIECE of mind.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Currie

I’ve read somewhere that testing only ‘some’ of the drywall or ripping only ‘some’ out to look for the name is not necessarily effective, since many builders will purchase drywall from several sources – meaning that any single house may contain more than one ‘type’ of drywall in it (you may end up testing or ripping out only ‘good’ drywall).

The article also stated that as few as three sheets could be enough to affect an entire home and that tearing out all of the drywall and replacing it may not be enough to solve the effects since the chemical corrosion has already taken place, which means it will continue corroding metal components – wiring, plumbing, structural components like joist hangars and nails (even galvanized), still, after the drywall has been removed. As a result, the article suggested that the only true solution is to bulldoze any houses proven to contain Chinese drywall (signs of corroded wiring, rotten egg smell, sick occupants, etc).

If I come across the article again I’ll post it here. . . .

HOW MANY TIMES DO ‘WE’ NEED TO BE POISONED OR HARMED BY INFERIOR CHINESE PRODUCTS BEFORE OUR GOVERNMENTS DECIDE TO PROTECT US??? LEAD IN PAINT USED ON CHILDREN’S TOYS, TAINTED MILK, HARMFUL CHEMICALS IN CLOTHING and FOOTWEAR, CORROSIVE GASSES IN DRYWALL . . . WHAT’S NEXT????

THEY DO NOT FOLLOW ANY QUALITY GUIDELINES OR HEALTH AND SAFETY REQUIREMENTS THEREFORE PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO BE HARMED,ALL FOR THE SAKE OF SAVING A FEW DOLLARS HERE AND THERE.

THE ENTIRE WORLD SHOULD BAN THE IMPORT OF CHINESE GOODS.

THIS IS SAD!

Thom Walker · #19 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 08:28 AM

Brian;
When one doesn't post for a while a message appears telling him so. I have followed the site from the beginning and still, on occasion get info that starts me off to finding new and valuable service information for my Clients.

However, I have stopped posting (and reading) very often because the ratio of persons willing to be publicly ignorant exceeds my willingness to sift through the **** to get to the pony.

Ted- Democrats are not responsible for all the ills of mankind. Economics is a complicated subject. Quit spitting out second hand rhetoric and change personal habits to help affect positive changes.

Damon- I am married to an Asian woman. You are not worthy to look at her, much less make some racist statement about an entire group. Keep your ignorant ass opinions to yourself.

Mark- Our founders went to a great deal of effort specifically so that we would NOT have a CHRISTIAN or any other specific religious affiliation. A whole lot of guys have risked our asses protecting your right to worship, or not worship, as you please.

Brian,
This blog is a noble effort. However, life's too short to get this pissed this often. Political ignorance is an American birthright. Racism, xenophobia, and ethnocentrism have no role at an Inspector's site. I'll get my information elsewhere. I'll be dis enrolling as soon as I post this.

Jerry Peck · #20 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Schniers

(through prostituting this Christian country)

Not sure where YOU LIVE, but, here in THIS COUNTRY - the USA - there is a thing called *separation of church and state* and *freedom of religion*, therefore this *IS NOT* a "Christian country", this is a country where one is free to believe in what they wish to believe in.

If you want to promote and discuss your christain speak, do so on another forum. Try the ones which promote bigotry, they say they are christian too ...

Damon McCarty · #21 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 10:12 AM

This is America, where we are free to post ignorant ass opinions.
Maybe you should not only follow your own advice and move from reading here, but also move to another country.

Ted Menelly · #22 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thom Walker

Brian;
When one doesn't post for a while a message appears telling him so. I have followed the site from the beginning and still, on occasion get info that starts me off to finding new and valuable service information for my Clients.

However, I have stopped posting (and reading) very often because the ratio of persons willing to be publicly ignorant exceeds my willingness to sift through the **** to get to the pony.

Ted- Democrats are not responsible for all the ills of mankind. Economics is a complicated subject. Quit spitting out second hand rhetoric and change personal habits to help affect positive changes.

Damon- I am married to an Asian woman. You are not worthy to look at her, much less make some racist statement about an entire group. Keep your ignorant ass opinions to yourself.

Mark- Our founders went to a great deal of effort specifically so that we would NOT have a CHRISTIAN or any other specific religious affiliation. A whole lot of guys have risked our asses protecting your right to worship, or not worship, as you please.

Brian,
This blog is a noble effort. However, life's too short to get this pissed this often. Political ignorance is an American birthright. Racism, xenophobia, and ethnocentrism have no role at an Inspector's site. I'll get my information elsewhere. I'll be dis enrolling as soon as I post this.

Do you just hate the world or what. I did not mention anything that was not true. If in fact you have read other posts of mine you would have knowthat I put the blame evenly not just to Dems and Repubs but I put the blame world wide.

To bad you are not listening now because I would tell you that you appear to have some serious hang ups with just about everything. Folks give an opinion and it does nmot match yours so you take your balls and roll home.

Thats a shame really. You don't post but just check in from time to time. Well what the hell were you doing that for if you were already so disgusted. Seems to me you were on the look out for anything that you did not like so you could chime in, voice your opinion (like everyone else does) and then insult about as many as you could before you went and hid behind the trees so no one would see you. Butr of course you are not reading this because you ran and hid and we will never see a responce or opinion because you are afraid someone might differ from you.

Just me spitting out second hand rhetoric and not trying to change personal habits to not help affect positive changes.

Jerry Peck · #23 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damon McCarty

This is America, where we are free to post ignorant ass opinions.
Maybe you should not only follow your own advice and move from reading here, but also move to another country.

Damon,

Trying to figure out if you are flaming on those purporting that this country is christan or if you are flaming on those reminding all that this great country IS NOT christan but is a mix of all beliefs, which includes the belief to not believe.

I do know that you certainly fulfilled the first statement in your post to a tee.

Now, if only you would share which way it was directed to ...

Randy Aldering · #24 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 11:51 AM

Just to make certain we are factual here, there is absolutely nothing in the United States Constitution, or any state constitution, referring a separation of church and state. Take a look. It is not there. You will find, however, references to God.

Ted Menelly · #25 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy Aldering

Just to make certain we are factual here, there is absolutely nothing in the United States Constitution, or any state constitution, referring a separation of church and state. Take a look. It is not there. You will find, however, references to God.

That is a good point, true or false. But in saying that the mass majority of folks that came to this country in the hundreds of years they have, have been the majority of christian based. In saying that, there are millions here that are not christian.

Also in saying any of that , it is damn good that there is literally a separation of church and state no matter it be the constitution or any laws behind us.

Fighting for all of time and deaths for all of time and wars for all of time were due to religious beliefs. There is no way that we could not have a separation of church and state.

I was born into the Catholic religion. You noticed I said religion. Just another form of Christianity. Try sitting a Baptist and a Catholic across from each other and talk about what should or should not be or believed in. Mary (someones mother) is not looked upon as much in particular religious beliefs.....Hmmmm, someone picked her to be the son of someone. We won't go there but that is what I am talking about.

Base our society on good vrsus evil and right versus wrong and lets leave it at that.

Racist, religious remarks get no one no were. For those that have no religious belief and for those that do....Tuff crap. If someone happens to pop a belief out there and you don't like, like I said, tuff crap. Suck it up and move on. Why get hot about someone not agreeing in your belief. Where is the good to man kind or christian upbringing in undestanding and, well, forgiveness.

I happen to love differences of opinion. It is healthy to get into exchanges now and then. Who knows, maybe someone will say something that you might say"ahaaaaaaaaa" never thought of it like that. And who knows, one might learn something.

Speaking of such

Hey....Thom Walker...come on back man. I like you even if you are from south Texas

Jerry Peck · #26 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy Aldering

Just to make certain we are factual here, there is absolutely nothing in the United States Constitution, or any state constitution, referring a separation of church and state. Take a look. It is not there. You will find, however, references to God.

Just to make certain we are factual here, ... have you heard of the First Amendment to the Constitution (which is therefore part of the Constitution) and the first ten amendments, which are referred to as the Bill of Rights?
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

To repeat, and why this IS NOT, CANNOT, and WILL NOT be allowed to be a "christan" country: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". To do so would violate the Constitution of the United States.

Thus, while there may be references to a god ... notice that I said "may be" because I have not looked all the way through it in a while, however, you said "You will find, however, references to God", so, please point those references IN THE CONSTITUTION out.

In the meantime, though, the USA IS NOT, CANNOT BE, WILL NOT BE ALLOWED to be a "christan" state - it is against the Constitution to make it one, as I pointed out above.

Thomas McKay · #27 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 02:20 PM

Hay all this talk about the Constitution is good for all of you, it means you care about our country. After all the reason our country is in such bad shape is because the Washington polititions we elected have strayed from its values. You need to get on board with Glenn Beck and his ideas, make something happen in 2012 by electing representatives who share Constitutional values. Perhaps the Chinese drywall and our debt to them will just disappear.

Thomas McKay
Certified ASHI Inspector

Bob Spermo · #28 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 03:15 PM

I have read the US Constitution! There is no reference to God in it! There is a reference (like Jerry quoted) to freedom of religion (which also means freedom to have no religion!). I do, however, think this forum would be better served by sticking to relevent home inspection issues. Maybe there could be an area for political commentary where one could visit to vent their views.

Thomas McKay · #29 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 03:28 PM

Not a bad idea; as a first time responder I was just trying to get some feel for the China Drywall issue didn't expect to get in the middle of religous issues. Did speak today to Pro Labs their cost for a Chinese drywall test is $500.00 thaught that was high compared to other lab work. Does any one have a better deal?

Thomas McKay
Certified SAHI Inspector

Jerry Peck · #30 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas McKay

You need to get on board with Glenn Beck and his ideas,Certified ASHI Inspector

Nah, no one from that side is ... wait, we are trying to stay out of politics, aren't we ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Spermo

I have read the US Constitution! There is no reference to God in it!

Gald dang it, Bob, you done spoiled my set up fer Randy "You will find, however, references to God." in the Constitution ...

... I twer gittin' ready ta ask him if'n he had found that reference yet.

Quote:

I do, however, think this forum would be better served by sticking to relevent home inspection issues.

I fully agree with you on that.

Quote:

Maybe there could be an area for political commentary where one could visit to vent their views.

There is, it is found on other forums made for those purposes ...

Just like with religion, best place for that is on the other forums made for those purposes ...

Bryan Frazer · #31 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 04:10 PM

Ah, drywall? Drywall anybody? sheesh,

Jerry Peck · #32 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Frazer

Ah, drywall? Drywall anybody? sheesh,

Bryan,

We've taken the drift and turned it back around, with something like this board with all of its participates, that is like turning the QE II around to back in stern first ... but it has turned and is settling into it berth dockside ... patience ... patience ... almost there ... okay tie 'er up guys!

There, now fully drifted back to Chinese drywall.

Ted Menelly · #33 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas McKay

Not a bad idea; as a first time responder I was just trying to get some feel for the China Drywall issue didn't expect to get in the middle of religous issues. Did speak today to Pro Labs their cost for a Chinese drywall test is $500.00 thaught that was high compared to other lab work. Does any one have a better deal?

Thomas McKay
Certified SAHI Inspector

Hm

500

Cut a piece of drywall out and patch it or better yet move some insulation in the attic, for what, nothin, or have someone come in and look for maybe a couple hundred.

Nah....Not worth the 500

To many price monkeys out there. I'm tellin yeah this is the new mold fad.

Oh.....waite....Did someone mention religion???????

Thomas McKay · #34 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 04:59 PM

"I" lads seems best to get into the program fast and never during the cocktail hour - seems the meaning of your responces are from the bottle. Sorry no one had any responce to additional testing! not that I expected it. Must be just a product of the slow economy. Poor basters.

Jerry Peck · #35 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas McKay

Did speak today to Pro Labs ...

Thomas,

As soon as you say that name around here, you'll get all kinds of looks as their reputation is ... well ... not of the highest caliber. They go after the gold, wherever the gold is. Radon, then mold, now Chinese drywall ...

In my opinion, why test it? Look for the name and labeling, if it does not state one of the name brands or does state Knauf or China or is blank (not having a name is not good), then it likely is 'not good' drywall and there are but two real choices: 1) ignore it and hope it goes away; 2) remove and replace it.

NEITHER of which has any real reason to test it in there.

Thomas McKay · #36 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 05:21 PM

Thanks Jerry,

Agree! But how do we get into the "gold mine" of testing for chinese drywall if we don't stick it to the consumer? Are you really suggesting that we be ethical? That isen't what I have gleemed from some of the other responces. If you see it doesen't mean it's there? Just like MOLD -

Thomas McKay
Certified ASHI Inspector

Thomas McKay · #37 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 05:24 PM

PS: this is cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jerry Peck · #38 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas McKay

Are you really suggesting that we be ethical?

Thomas,

That I are.

Thomas McKay · #39 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 05:48 PM

Figgered That!!!!!!!!!!

See Ya.

Thomas McKay · #40 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 06:14 PM

Jerry, you have more cerdentials than most states. Why do you partisipate in some of this crap? Seems we are only "pawns in life" for the labs. I can only think that including normal close inspection of drywall conditions as part of a home inspection would meet our obligation to our client. If it requires furhter testing thats the question. How do we handel that? Perhaps its a question for ASHI or FABI. What do you think?

Thomas McKay
ASHI Certified Inspector

Jerry Peck · #41 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas McKay

Seems we are only "pawns in life" for the labs.

Thomas,

Very true, and many inspector fall for it and their 'get rich quick' claims, as though home inspectors are in it to 'get rich quick' - maybe a few, but very, very few.

Quote:

I can only think that including normal close inspection of drywall conditions as part of a home inspection would meet our obligation to our client.

As home inspectors doing home inspections, we are not even doing a "normal close inspection of drywall", adding the word "conditions" as you did makes that apply better, but I would put it more like 'doing your normal inspection of conditions in drywall which indicate other problems' as we are not looking for drywall problems, and certainly not looking close for them.

Quote:

If it requires furhter testing thats the question. How do we handel that?

That's what I'm saying ... Drywall *does not* require further testing. Plain and simple.

For clients who are concerned about what type of drywall they have, the home inspector would be in a position to "inspect" (not "test") for Chinese drywall. However, the home inspector should have a drywall contractor out there with them to make the cuts, make the repairs, etc., the home inspector would also be inspecting the drywall in the attic as that is the last place where it is visible (of course you need to remove the insulation and then put it back). Inside, for the walls, the drywall contractor would make the cuts and do the work, the home inspector is only there for documentation on what is found.

Quote:

Perhaps its a question for ASHI or FABI. What do you think?

Nothing that ASH or FABI needs to get into, like mold, radon, etc., just another aspect outside their purview, an add on consulting service but only when it is requested by the customer.

Yes, there will likely be some, if not already, HIs who suddenly become Certified Chinese Drywall Inspector and advertise it as though it were part of their Mold is Gold scheme, probably even sell it as a 'allows us to open the walls so we can mold test in there' - sheesh - even the thought of it makes my skin crawl.

But, there are those people in every profession.

Ted Menelly · #42 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas McKay

Jerry, you have more credentials than most states. Why do you participate in some of this crap? Seems we are only "pawns in life" for the labs. I can only think that including normal close inspection of drywall conditions as part of a home inspection would meet our obligation to our client. If it requires further testing that's the question. How do we handle that? Perhaps its a question for ASHI or FABI. What do you think?

Thomas McKay
ASHI Certified Inspector

As far as Jerry participating in some of this crap....What...Jerry is somehow above the rest of us? You must be one of those sports worshippers hold the players on high.

Jerry ASHI or FABI is not going to help you on the testing end. Don't let Jerrys credentials fool you. He is just a hermit living on the beach that was given a computer to play with.

There is no test for the drywall that will do nothing more than tell you what the make up is. The real test is either to get permission from the home owner (who you would be inspecting this for anyway) why? Because a seller is not going to let a buyer do an invasive inspection. If you are doing it for a buyer do as I and others have said and move some insulation around in the attic or check over a garage where it is not insulated at all. The test, such as in a lab is a farce.

Thomas McKay · #43 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 07:57 PM

Thanks Ted for putting Jerry into perspective. Sounds like you know him personally; hermit, beach thing. Dosen't sound all that bad from what I read from his personality outline. Ormond Beach is a very nice place. Seems you really agree with him as to his take on the subject. So do I, nada mas!

Ted Menelly · #44 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas McKay

Thanks Ted for putting Jerry into perspective. Sounds like you know him personally; hermit, beach thing. Dosen't sound all that bad from what I read from his personality outline. Ormond Beach is a very nice place. Seems you really agree with him as to his take on the subject. So do I, nada mas!

I lived in Florida for 14 plus years and never found the beaches to thrilling. Look up the beach one way and miles of flat sand. Look down the beach the other way and miles of flat sand. Nothing to explorer, just plenty of open to fry.

Billy Stephens · #45 (**permalink**) 04-20-2009, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Menelly

, just plenty of open to fry.

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What was you frying?

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Randy Aldering · #46 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Spermo

I have read the US Constitution! There is no reference to God in it! There is a reference (like Jerry quoted) to freedom of religion (which also means freedom to have no religion!). I do, however, think this forum would be better served by sticking to relevent home inspection issues. Maybe there could be an area for political commentary where one could visit to vent their views.

Preamble: " . . . secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves . . . " Where does this "Blessing" of Liberty come from, and why is it capitalized? What Authority grants it? Where does the idea come from? How did the writers decide on these words, and the grammar that they used? Don't get me wrong - I am not preaching. Just practicing a little critical thinking. Obviously a sensitive subject, and so necessitates good study.

Jerry Peck · #47 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy Aldering

Preamble: " . . . secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves . . . " Where does this "Blessing" of Liberty come from, and why is it capitalized? What Authority grants it? Where does the idea come from? How did the writers decide on these words, and the grammar that they used? Don't get me wrong - I am not preaching. Just practicing a little critical thinking. Obviously a sensitive subject, and so necessitates good study.

Randy,

More than one of the original framers of the constitution were "non-believers", at least one as an atheist, and not all those who were "believers" believed in the same god, so they recognized that and avoided that issue ... well, they did not "avoid" that issue, the "addressed" that issue by proclaiming the right to believe as one wants.

To clarify this, the First Amendment addressed this specific issue. Not the Second or Third or later Amendment, but the FIRST Amendment clarified their intent.

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Just some more "critical thinking".

Mark Beckerman · #48 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 01:39 PM

Oh right guys I think we have gotten of the subject of how to test for chinese dry wall don't you think!!!

Jerry Peck · #49 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 01:45 PM

Mark,

After you have been here a while you will understand and accept thread drift, it is a good thing a times.

Darin Redding · #50 (**permalink**) 05-04-2009, 05:01 PM

Can someone say, moderation? Sheesh. Ok, let's talk drywall. Any updates around the USA on available testing facilities? What methodologies are they using, and are they getting results that are useful?

I'm checking a local lab I use for mold and asbestos sampling. While they do not offer testing for drywall, they are checking if any of their sources do.

I'll keep an eye on this thread. And, can we stick to the topic please?

Jerry - A little wandering off topic is refreshing, and often times will result in something useful or at least comical. So I agree with you there

Cheers,

Darin

Thomas McKay · #51 (**permalink**) 05-04-2009, 05:17 PM

Pro Lab will test for Chinese drywall for $500. but it is just as efective to identify it by its lables "made in china". Much cheeper also. What I do is include it in my inspection reports if found and charge a reasonable price if the client wants a verifing letter. Testing is just like mold if you see it you have it you need to get rid of it.

Tom McKay
ASHI Certified Member Inspector
Melbourne, FL

Mark Beckerman · #52 (**permalink**) 05-04-2009, 05:20 PM

Jerry,
I don't mind getting off topic- but how did testing for drywall turn into politics and religion?

Jerry Peck · #53 (**permalink**) 05-04-2009, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Beckerman

Jerry,
I don't mind getting off topic- but how did testing for drywall turn into politics and religion?

Mark,

Because it just does.

Then we try to stop the political and religious stuff, but it happens.

It is a fact of life on a board which allows for open communication without a moderator - WHICH IS A GOOD THING - the administrator (Brian) will allow a lot, and if it really, really, REALLY, REALLY gets out of hand he steps in, which rarely is needed. It is a good thing for this board, and one of the reasons it is so popular - not wild and crazy like another board, yet not 'tea time please and thank you forced sickening throw-up niceties' like other boards.

Just the right mix of wackos and most excellent wackos to make it all work.

Richard Stanley · #54 (**permalink**) 05-18-2009, 06:54 AM

As the saying goes - you are a dollar late and a dollar short. You need a device to test Georgia - Pacific drywall!!

Denis Logan · #55 (**permalink**) 05-20-2009, 11:07 AM

Thanks for all the good ideas. I was doing a search on this subject and stumbled on this site. Good Stuff.
As far as the Government protecting us, we have to decide do we want the Government in our lives or not. Personally I do.

Ken Bates · #56 (**permalink**) 05-20-2009, 09:12 PM

"He who is without guilt should cast the first stone!"

Recall when Petroleum manufacturers opened their own gasoline dispensing stations and sold the same product for about one cent less????

Stupid Americans flocked to these stations without guilt to save a few cents per fill-up.

These stupid, unsophisticated, illiterati put "family owned" stations out of business!!!

The results --- No repairs just gas and cigarettes sold by an adolescent or illegal alien.

Jerry Peck · #57 (**permalink**) 05-21-2009, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Stanley

You need a device to test Georgia - Pacific drywall!!

Richard,

I've been trying to figure out what you meant by that since you posted it a couple of days ago ... what kind of device is needed?

archivoyeur · #58 (**permalink**) 05-21-2009, 08:02 AM

Maybe NPR knows.

Yesterday's news included a report on drywall that "when tested" revealed the presence of sulfur, and blah, blah, blah...

Rob Ferguson · #59 (**permalink**) 05-21-2009, 10:02 PM

If it is a chemical reaction, then all we need to know is what chemicals is doing it. Would be a simple matter to test for the foreign chemical on the site with a small sample.

There has to be a test kit for this, does anyone know or maybe we have an idea for a new product!

Richard Stanley · #60 (**permalink**) 05-22-2009, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Richard,

I've been trying to figure out what you meant by that since you posted it a couple of days ago ... what kind of device is needed?

Previous posts referenced testing "chinese drywall". There was also a previous post that reported a toxic drywall suit against only GP. I am not aware of any actual lawsuits involving chinese drywall - although someone said that the recent nightline program indicated that one (or more) had been filed.

William Levy · #61 (**permalink**) 05-22-2009, 06:53 AM

Hi All

take a look at Home Page for updated info..

Bill

Associated Radon Services

Jerry McCarthy · #62 (**permalink**) 05-24-2009, 05:26 PM

All Chinese drywall is packed with a fortune cookie. Also, follow Jerry P's advice, but eat the piece of drywall you removed. If you're hungry in less than one hour, it's Chinese drywall.

Damon McCarty · #63 (**permalink**) 05-25-2009, 01:46 AM

Watch out , Jerry. Last time I made comments like that I got gripped at and we lost a board member.
Maybe it's the cookie causing the rotten egg smell.
I had allways thought you could tell by the chinese being installed slanted.

JB Thompson · #64 (**permalink**) 05-26-2009, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry McCarthy

All Chinese drywall is packed with a fortune cookie. Also, follow Jerry P's advice, but eat the piece of drywall you removed. If you're hungry in less than one hour, it's Chinese drywall.

OK, that's the best post on here so far!

Can I get fried rice with my drywall?

Thomas McKay · #65 (**permalink**) 05-26-2009, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denis Logan

Thanks for all the good ideas. I was doing a search on this subject and stumbled on this site. Good Stuff.
As far as the Government protecting us, we have to decide do we want the Government in our lives or not. Personally I do.

I guess after the supreme court Obama will solve the Chinese Drywall issue and then tax the cookies too. We are all in a world of Chinese! The govenrment has created the problem perhaps it will be up to the Chinese to solve it wouldn't that be interesting. Concluding do you think it would be good if the govenrment had control of testing for Chinese drywall? Or is that just an other tax? But they said they would not raise taxes did thy?

Tom McKay
MAHI. Inc.
Melbourne, FL

Quess what our unemployment will look like when the Shuttle program ends and we revert back to the 1950's with space craft which need parichutes for landing. Dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wounder do they have Chinese parts?

Micah Toll · #66 (**permalink**) 07-28-2009, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Ferguson

If it is a chemical reaction, then all we need to know is what chemicals is doing it. Would be a simple matter to test for the foreign chemical on the site with a small sample.

There has to be a test kit for this, does anyone know or maybe we have an idea for a new product!

There is a great, inexpensive Do-It-Yourself testing kit available to test for Chinese Drywall that does not require cutting out chunks from your wall. Check out Chinese Drywall Tester Kit

Chinese Drywall Tester Kit

Jerry McCarthy · #67 (**permalink**) 07-28-2009, 05:14 PM

Please allow me to straighten you folks out on the proper technique for testing Chinese drywall. Per EC Jerry’s directions perform his suggested operation up to the point of removing a small section at the horizontal joint. However, for a comprehensive test it is best to soak the drywall in a solution of rose flavored water for approximately 6 minutes followed by consuming (yes eating) the drywall sample. If you become hungry in less than 4 hours it will confirm that indeed it was Chinese drywall. Simple but effective…. You’re welcome.

Hard to believe how far adrift this thread ran and I’m somewhat stunned by both the logic and moronic rhetoric about politics, race and religion it engendered. Guess we still carry those terrible weights on our back and after all this time… what a shame.

Thomas McKay · #68 (**permalink**) 07-28-2009, 05:39 PM

Micha,

According to ASHI the EPA still dosen't have any proticals for "Testing Chinese Drywall" or believe there are any health problems associated with it how can the testing you recommend do any thing better than the visual inspection? I work in Florida and am concerned that we could be exposed as inspectors to something which could create further liability.

Tom McKay
Melbourne, Florida
Cretified ASHI Inspector

Thomas McKay · #69 (**permalink**) 07-28-2009, 05:50 PM

Jerry McCarty,

Thanks for your participating in the thread, your might get an answer to your complaning if you went back and read what you contributed.

Tom McKay
ASHI Certified Inspector

Jerry McCarthy · #70 (**permalink**) 07-28-2009, 05:56 PM

Thomas, enlighten me?

Thomas McKay · #71 (**permalink**) 07-28-2009, 06:17 PM

Jerry McCarthy,

There were others including mtself who corrupted the thread just read from the start and you can figure it out. I have had other questions you all could help with but am hesitant due to the unnecessary rhetorick.

Enough said, I do thank thoes who made positive contribution.

Tom McKay
ASHI Certified Inspector

Jerry Peck · #72 (**permalink**) 07-28-2009, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micah Toll

There is a great, inexpensive Do-It-Yourself testing kit available to test for Chinese Drywall that does not require cutting out chunks from your wall. Check out Chinese Drywall Tester Kit

Chinese Drywall Tester Kit

Worthless.

There should be a ban on selling worthless junk to unsuspecting folks who are in need - should be something akin to robbing candy from children.

People who hawk those things are part of the problem.

Jerry Peck · #73 (**permalink**) 07-28-2009, 07:00 PM

There is a test protocol under consideration by the CPSC and about ready for approval, however, only a very few are doing it that way.

A sample of drywall is taken and sent to a lab (note: "a lab" does NOT mean "Pro Lab" or any lab like that, it means "REAL laboratories"). An "elemental test" is done on the sample, which means the sample is tested down to its elements and documented as to which elements it contains and how much of each. Elements as in the Periodic Table of Elements and what they are combined to make.

That test, and only that test, will be accepted to document what elements are contained in the sample.

Those lab test ARE NOT CHEAP and not for the faint of heart who are gullible enough to fall for yet another Pro Lab hype.

Thomas McKay · #74 (**permalink**) 07-28-2009, 07:38 PM

Jerry,

I do refer to the CPSC who is heading up the EPA request to establish a proticol for testing drwall, they apparently are requesting much more information. I don't think a protical is eminent due to a very small sample. The resulting complaints have prompted the CPSC to follow three tracks.

1. Evaluate the relationship with the drywall and reported health symptoms.

2. Evaluate the relationship between the drywall and electrical and fire safety issues in the home.

3. Tracking the origin and distribution of the drywall.

The Florida dept of Health (DOH) has established a web sit for homeowners where they can get nformation about Chinese drywall and things they can look for to determin if they might have it; they do recommend hireing a professional inspector etc. to to inspect for destinctive corrosion. Go to www.doh.state.fl.us/environmental/community/indoor-air/inspections.html.

Hope this is helpfull!

Tom McKay
ASHI Certified Inspector

Thomas McKay · #75 (**permalink**) 07-28-2009, 07:43 PM

Inspection steps for homeowners

Micah Toll · #76 (**permalink**) 07-31-2009, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

There is a test protocol under consideration by the CPSC and about ready for approval, however, only a very few are doing it that way.

A sample of drywall is taken and sent to a lab (note: "a lab" does NOT mean "Pro Lab" or any lab like that, it means "REAL laboratories"). An "elemental test" is done on the sample, which means the sample is tested down to its elements and documented as to which elements it contains and how much of each. Elements as in the Periodic Table of Elements and what they are combined to make.

That test, and only that test, will be accepted to document what elements are contained in the sample.

Those lab test ARE NOT CHEAP and not for the faint of heart who are gullible enough to fall for yet another Pro Lab hype.

Jerry,

That's great for Mr. and Mrs. Millionaire, since they have the thousands and thousands of dollars it would take to test every sheet of drywall in their home by that method. But wouldn't it be great if there was an inexpensive way for the average Joe to test each sheet in their home, by themselves, without cutting out pieces of drywall? Wouldn't a basic test that can can confirm whether or not their house may contain toxic Chinese drywall be helpful for them? Wouldn't it be nice to be able to check all over the house, instead of just removing switch covers to check the small percentage of drywall sheets that actually come in contact with a switch box? And wouldn't it be nice if there was a test like this that was reviewed and approved by some governing body of authority? Well wait no more Jerry, because it's here! Chinese Drywall Tester Kit.

The kit has been reviewed and approved by the Florida Attorney General's Office, so you don't have to worry about it being a scam, as you say. I'd be happy to send you the proof, if you so wish, so you don't have to spend your time worrying about it. This is the real deal: an effective, at home Do-It-Yourself test kit that has been independently verified by a Government Office. Check it out, a simple and affordable solution that can provide thousands of people their peace of mind is finally here. I sure hope you enjoy, Jerry!
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www.ChineseDrywallTesterKit.com

William Levy · #77 (**permalink**) 07-31-2009, 02:01 PM

Hi All

ESML labs has some specific tests available also lab with xray defraction analysis can look at the S compounds

Mark Levy @ Associated Environmental Consulting Group, LLC MLevy@aecenv.com has some insurance client defined protocols

Our lab test results for closed chamber sulfide emanation are inconclusive and we have not had any samples large enough to test for 226Radium that is reported to be in some of fly ash waste material used.

Cheers

Bill

William Levy
Associated Radon Services

Joe Svehla · #78 (**permalink**) 10-27-2009, 06:08 PM

ok skip the testing.. if im looking at the back of the drywall what ami looking for.

thanks

Billy Stephens · #79 (**permalink**) 10-27-2009, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Svehla

ok skip the testing.. if im looking at the back of the drywall what ami looking for.

thanks

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Joe,

Google Chinese Drywall Markings. Florida Dept. of Health has many photos and advice.
* sorry could not get page link to connect.
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Daniel Leung · #80 (**permalink**) 10-27-2009, 07:26 PM

As I posted on the Chinese Drywall Experiment thread in April 2009:

Combined with many inspectors' suggestion, here is a toxic drywall inspection do-it-yourself:
* Was your home built after 2000?
* Have a strong sulfur smell (like a rotten-egg smell)?
* Have breathing irritation or headaches while at home?
* Have corroded copper coils in air-conditioner or discolored copper waterpipe (or copper electrical wires in receptacle)?
* Have "KNAUF" in black ink, or "CHINA" in red ink, or "ASTM36C" stamp on the back or edge tape of your drywall? (if no visible drywall back in house, look inside the attic to see the back of ceiling)

If none of above, sleep well!

For more information, please read www.ChineseDrywall.com
Florida Dept of Health - Hazard Assessment of Copper Corrosion and Air-Conditioner Evaporator Coil Failures Possibly Associated with Imported Drywall / Premature Copper Corrosion in Residences Possibly Associated with the Presence of Imported Drywall from China

Markus Keller · #81 (**permalink**) 10-29-2009, 05:23 PM

For those still interested NPR had a segment on today about chinese drywall.
Federal testing inconclusive - imagine that
Chinese won't give a commitment to do anything about it - imagine that
Florida governor pissed ...
I'm sure you can probably find a replay on an NPR website. Sounded like government buck passing and unwillingness to commit because of the likely results and costs. I suspect lobbyists were working hard.

Jerry Peck · #82 (**permalink**) 10-29-2009, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markus Keller

For those still interested NPR had a segment on today about chinese drywall.
Federal testing inconclusive - imagine that
Chinese won't give a commitment to do anything about it - imagine that
Florida governor pissed ...
I'm sure you can probably find a replay on an NPR website. Sounded like government buck passing and unwillingness to commit because of the likely results and costs. I suspect lobbyists were working hard.

Markus,

I heard it too.

They also added additional information should be available next month.

They discussed a "recall" and the improbabilities of it due to the complexities involved - you can't just "drive it down to the dealer and have them replace the defective part" (they did not put it that way, those are my words).

Lisa Endza · #83 (**permalink**) 10-29-2009, 10:05 PM

Chinese Drywall - NACHI.TV Episode 81

ALLEN CATTERTON · #84 (**permalink**) 10-30-2009, 06:24 AM

Any concern regarding safety, insurability, or the ability to occupy a home is listed in my inspection report. Any instance that is outside the InterNACHI SOP or which I am not exclusively and fully trained and certified to perform is noted regarding such concerns. I directly disclaim Chinese or odorous drywall in each inspection agreement which is signed by both the buyer and the inspector. Otherwise the liability is overwhelming and the potential for lawsuits is tremendous. Certifying the existence or non existence of Chinese or odorous drywall in a structure is outside the normal parameters of a home inspection. My E & O insurer would drop me like a lead balloon if they find I am acting outside my area of expertise and would probably walk away from any lawsuit in which I was found liable. So I call it out, as far as any findings or suspicions and always-always recommend further evaluation by a trained technician.

Glen Beveridge · #85 (**permalink**) 10-30-2009, 01:16 PM

The issue with tainted products imported from China is clearly a huge problem with more to come and be discovered. This is the result of a World Economy that is overwhelmingly supported by the Congress. Corporations have and will continue to increase their porfits with the Congress complimenting their wishes. Our Government's foundation is based on "We the People" and should not be "We the Corporations." Trade deficits have and will continue to grow until finally all we will manufacture in this country is corn. We can all complain, however, until some type of regulation, quality control and assurance is considered and eforced on all imported items that should be paid for by the firms who bring them in. Now if this were the law, would it be cheaper to import or just manufacture here? GE, Wal Mart as well as most of the other monopolies would not stand for that type of logic. FOX News would have a field day with that. Imagine what would happen to a U.S. based manufacuter if they sold tainted dry wall?

Steven Stafford · #86 (**permalink**) 10-30-2009, 06:30 PM

The lab I use for Mold testing and supplies has a great web site. I cut and pasted a copy of an article they posted this week. I thought you guy's might be interested.

Category:
Press Release
Publish Date:
10/28/2009
Link:

Author:
Paul Cochrane
Defective Drywall from China may also be Contaminated with Bacteria and Fungi
EMSL Analytical offers multiple testing solutions for imported drywall.
Westmont, NJ, October 28th, 2009

During the last year there have been numerous media reports about imported Chinese drywall causing unpleasant odors, damaging building materials and causing illnesses. On Sunday an expert on building inspections announced at a conference in Orlando that the defective drywall is also full of bacteria and fungus.

According to some reports the defective drywall is in as many as 100,000 homes nationwide. Up until now most drywall problems were related to the presence of iron disulfide (FeS2 pyrite). Hydrogen sulfide (H2S), carbonyl sulfide, sulfur dioxide (SO2), and carbon disulfide (CS2) have also been suspected as culprits.

The building expert reported that the bacteria in the drywall is most alarming and isn’t found in drywall manufactured elsewhere. According to the speaker the bacteria is feeding on organic matter in the drywall and that in return is producing the sulfur gases that have been reported to cause health problems and material corrosion in homes across the country.

EMSL Analytical, one of the nation’s premier environmental and materials testing laboratories, has been actively involved in testing suspect drywall. EMSL Analytical developed a procedure that can accurately compare certain sulfur gasses contained in suspect drywall samples versus control samples. The laboratory can also provide complete bacterial and fungal analysis of any drywall samples to determine if microorganisms are present.

“This latest report of additional problems with Chinese drywall should make homeowners take notice,” reported Joe Frasca, Senior Vice President at EMSL Analytical. “If you suspect your home was constructed with the defective material we suggest you have the drywall tested to determine if it is causing problems in your home,” he continued.

EMSL Analytical is a national leader in materials and indoor air quality testing services. For more information about drywall testing or other testing needs please contact EMSL Analytical at (800)220-3675, visit Testing Lab - Asbestos, Mold, Lead, Microbiology, Radon, MRSA, Environmental, Industrial Hygiene, Materials, Chemical, Forensics, Metallurgical, Food, Water, Soil, Air, Dust, PLM, PCM, TEM, SEM, Hexavalent Chromium, ASTM, Contract, Independent, Accre or email info@EMSL.com.

About EMSL Analytical, Inc.
EMSL Analytical is a leading, national provider of environmental and materials testing services and products to professionals and the general public. The company has an extensive list of accreditations from leading organizations as well as state and federal regulating bodies.

Damon McCarty · #87 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 12:07 AM

Just showed up on Bill Gates msn.com
Toxic drywall? Goodbye, insurance - MSN Money

Ted Menelly · #88 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damon McCarty

Just showed up on Bill Gates msn.com
Toxic drywall? Goodbye, insurance - MSN Money

Well

Insurance companies provide insurance for mishaps and disasters in your home. As they say. They are not warranty companies. Unfortunately the builders had no idea that the drywall companies were buying bad drywall products from supply houses. It may land on the builder but it does go back to the manufacturer. The drywall company had no idea they were buying bad drywall and the supply house had no idea they were buying bad drywall.

It goes back to the manufacturer in China. What can be done....who knows.

I noticed on the comments that it was an attack on the insurance companies. They did not buy the bad drywall affecting everything in their homes. If the insurance companies paid out every drywall claim they would be bust and no one would be insured. Do you think that everyone paying for their home to be insured should go with out because some folks bought homes affected with Chinese drywall because a manufacturer of a good is not standing behind their product?

I am not an advocate for insurance companies at all but are all those folks kidding about their claims all getting paid out by the big, bad, mean insurance companies.. That will never happen and they will never be held to it.

Damon McCarty · #89 (**permalink**) 10-31-2009, 08:41 PM

No, I do not think that everyone paying for their home to be insured should go with out because some folks bought homes affected with Chinese drywall because a manufacturer of a good is not standing behind their product?

All I was doing was post what I saw on msn.

Thomas McKay · #90 (**permalink**) 11-01-2009, 09:27 AM

Drywall Report Still Inconclisive

From Florida Today Oct. 30, 2009

"Federal studies released Thrusday cannot yet definitively link imported Chinese drywall to health problems or corrosion of pipes and wires the thousands of homeowners have been reporting for nearly a year.
The Consumer Products Safety Commission, which is leading the multi-agency investigation said it needs to further study the matter before it can consider a recall, ban or other solutions to help affected homeowners.
Additional results from ongoing studies were due to be released next month.
"The expansive investigation and sientifiec work that has been done and continues to be carried out is all aimed at providing answers and solutions." Lori Saltzman, a director in the CPSC's Office of Hazard Identification and Reduction, said Thurssday.
"No connections have been made yet."
Saltzman said the agency, which has so far spent $3.5 million on studies, has recieved 1,900 homeowner complaints during one of the largest consumer products investigations in US history.
"We inderstand the problem has literally driven people from their homes," she said.

Homeowners were frustrated by a lack of answers from the CPSC.

An Associated Press analysis of shipping records found that more than 500 million pounds of Chinese made gypsum board was iimported between 2004 and 2008 - enough to have built tens of thousands of homes.

The federal test results released Thursday largely confirms what prior testing had found, such as that the material emits "violatile sulfer compounds." The multiple agencies investigation, including the CPSC, the Enviromental Protection Agency and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, acknowledged the reported health symptoms are consistent with some sort of conamination. But the culprit is unclear.
The Chinese government is assisting with the investigation."

It appears to me that the federal agencies involved are over their heads on this one. We tax payers again are paying for studies of problems which go unsolved but do perpetuate the continuation of these federal bureaucratic agencies ie. the CPSC and the EPA. To have spent $3.5 million and taken a year to come up with nothing is unacceptable. Just an other government "boondoggle". I will bet there are independant studies which have isolated the issues. I also wouder what roll the Chinese government has taken in assisting the investigation.

Tom McKay
ASHI Certified Inspector

Mike Schulz · #91 (**permalink**) 11-01-2009, 04:32 PM

Quote:

$3.5 million

They have just begun to milk the system. Numbers are not high enough to get an answer.

Thomas McKay · #92 (**permalink**) 11-01-2009, 05:28 PM

Lisa, don't you have some self serving comment?

Ken Martin · #93 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 09:30 AM

Could it be this simple? This drywall has a corrosive effect on copper. How about inserting small pieces of copper wire in very small holes drilled in the drywall. Results should be fairly quick. Holes could be easily spackled. Homeowner could do this test themselves. Total cost should not exceed $10. This could be done in almost every sheet in the house.

This in addition to a/c coil check (as all air in house recirculates through the air handler) would allow homeowner some confidence. Inspectors would not make any money, but also would not become liable for results.

I realize that these tests are not "officially sanctioned" by anybody, but maybe common sense will prevail.

I have been told by several "Building Officials" and a few lawyers that as of yet, there is no accepted way to mitigate this problem. Even if you gut a house back to the studs and bleach them, filter the air, etc....you would still have to disclose that the house was possibly contaminated with Chinese drywall at the time of resale.

Just my thoughts, from SW Florida, with no political or religious stated or implied.
Ken

Lisa Endza · #94 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 10:09 AM

Chinese Drywall - Int'l Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI)

Steven Turetsky · #95 (**permalink**) 11-18-2009, 09:11 PM

Hi Folks,

I happened to come across this thread and wanted to respond. I admit that I didn't read all of the posts, so if I'm being redundant, well I appologize.

EDI (Exterior Design Institute), is offering a course and certification on testing Chinese Drywall. They also have a test kit that is available once you are certified. The kit nor the course is very expensive and is a great service to add to your business. It is a very simple procedure, done in the field. I also understand that there is a shortage of certified inspectors in this field.

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Lisa Endza · #96 (**permalink**) 11-18-2009, 09:14 PM

Steven's post

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Hi Folks,

I happened to come across this thread and wanted to respond. I admit that I didn't read all of the posts, so if I'm being redundant, well I appologise.

EDI (Exterior Design Institute), is offering a course and certification on testing Chinese Drywall. They also have a test kit that is available once you are certified. The kit nor the course is very expensive and is a great service to add to your business. It is a very simple procedure, done in the field. I also understand that there is a shortage of certified inspectors in this field.

InterNACHI partnered with EDI and InterNACHI members can take EDI courses at EDI-member prices.

Dan Harris · #97 (**permalink**) 11-18-2009, 09:21 PM

Sounds like a heck of a deal.
Pay nick $289.00 to save $20.

I guess you guys will never get it.
This board is for inspectors to discuss inspection issues, not a place to be plastered with free advertizing, and scams.

Billy Stephens · #98 (**permalink**) 11-18-2009, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lisa Endza

InterNACHI partnered with EDI and InterNACHI members can take EDI courses at EDI-member prices.

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And Now Back To Your Regularly Scheduled Program.

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fritzkelly · #99 (**permalink**) 11-18-2009, 11:20 PM

I have to laugh, do you know how many people are searching "Chinese Drywall" on the internet and being sent to this forum thread? (11,000 or so). Brian should rename this "How to test for American Idiots" so all those people looking for info don't get sidetracked.

Thomas McKay · #**100** (**permalink**) 11-19-2009, 05:21 AM

Well said Dan!