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I would just make note that a unknown odor was present at garage location.

Don't get into how to get rid of the odor or how to clean it up.

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Rick Hurst
Home Works Inspection Co.
5 out of 4 people have trouble with fractions

Agreed. Identify and report.

Rich

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Richard Rushing, HCRI
Duncanville, Tx.

And recommend!

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Charlie Sessums www.alphainspection.com
The greatest ideas are often met with violent opposition from mediocre minds. Albert Einstein

Charles, normally I would agree that recommending a course of action would be appropriate.

However, in this case where you cannot positively identify what you/we are dealing with, I just don't think it would be prudent to recommend a course of action without knowing what I/you/we are talking about.

Rich

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"If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress?"
Richard Rushing, HCRI
Duncanville, Tx.

Jeff, listen to what the others have said.

You can not have the answer to everything. You know that you are a good home inspector when you are comfortable is telling your clients the following; " Gee, I really don't have an answer to that. But I will go back to my office and do some research to see if I can find out. But for right now I just don't know".

The next step in the growth of a professional inspector is knowing when to walk away from an inspection or client.

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Scott Patterson
Spring Hill, TN
http://www.traceinspections.com

And what did you just say in that statement? It's a bunch of Gobbly Gook!

Just tell your client that you do not know the source, cause or solution and that they might want to consult the owner and their agent for more information. You are doing them a disservice by telling them anything else, IMO.

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Scott Patterson
Spring Hill, TN
http://www.traceinspections.com

Lets just say the odor is a dead rat.

I can't find any dead rat contractors in the phone book. How do you repair a dead rat?

Do we call out a Haz-Mat team at a 10K cost or do we call an exterminator or Willie the handyman?

I personally don't want the responsibility of making that call or telling the client what to do. I would tell them, Yes I can smell something but I don't know what it is.

Leave it at that.

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Rick Hurst
Home Works Inspection Co.
5 out of 4 people have trouble with fractions

Jeff,

We're just giving advice. Just trying to keep your sphere's out trouble you might say.

You can always do as you wish or as what you think is appropriate.

Keep in mind we weren't there so the judgment call is yours.

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Rick Hurst
Home Works Inspection Co.
5 out of 4 people have trouble with fractions

I think what Charles was saying was that you don't just say: "The garage stunk like $hit.", but that you go on and recommend something, such as "The garage stunk like $hit, find out what the cause is, and remove/clean and air out as necessary and as required."

That way, *you* (the HI) is not saying "how to do it", but rather *you* (the HI) is saying "do SOMETHING about it".

If the HI just mentions that it stunk like $hit, without making any recommendation, the seller can say to *your client* "even your inspector did not say anything had to be done, I'm not paying for anything".

Whether the seller pays or not, we, as HIs, should not care, however, we, as HIs, should not take from our client any tool they may have for recourse with the seller. Not making a recommendation takes away tools regarding the issue(s) where remediation action was 'not recommended'.

How you word the remediation action, that's up to use. I am sure that I used to use stronger language than most, but it is important to *make* a "recommendation" 'for something'.

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Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
Ormond Beach, Florida
Construction Litigation Consultants, LLC ( www.ConstructionLitigationConsultants.com )

quote from JP: "The garage stunk like $hit.",

Well... as I know it, defication has a distinct smell and that is not the same as a chemical smell. Feces has a distinct smell and it is not the same as a chemical smell. Poo has a distinct smell and it is not the same as a chemical smell. Caca has a distinct smell and it is not the same as a chemical smell. Being inspectors, we could all take the utilization of the word $hit in it's many faceted uses...

Consider this and tell me who to call if the garage smells like $hit:

You can be $hit faced,
$hit out of luck,
Or have $hit for brains.
With a little effort, you can get your $hit together,
Find a place for your $hit
Or decide to $hit or get off the pot.
You can smoke $hit,
Buy $hit, sell $hit,
Lose $hit, find $hit,
Forget $hit,
And tell others to eat $hit and die.
Some people know their $hit,
While others can't tell the difference between $hit and shineola.
There are lucky $hits,
Dumb $hits,
Crazy $hits,
And sweet $hit.
There is bull $hit,
Horse $hit
And chicken $hit.
You can throw $hit,
Sling $hit,
Catch $hit,
Shoot the $hit,
Or duck when $hit hits the fan.
You can give a $hit, not give a $hit-- who cares
Or, serve $hit on a shingle.
The wife sometimes cooks like $hit
Then gives me $hit afterwards...
You can find yourself in deep $hit
Or be happier than a pig in $hit.
Some days are colder than $hit,
Some days are hotter than $hit,
And some days are just plain $hitty.
Some music sounds like $hit,
Garages can smell like $hit,
Things can look like $hit,
And there are times when you feel like $hit and smell like it too.
You can have too much $hit,
Not enough $hit,
The right $hit,
The wrong $hit
Or a lot of weird $hit.
You can carry $hit
Have a mountain of $hit,
Be in a world of ****...
Or find yourself up $hit creek without a paddle.
Sometimes everything you touch turns to $hit,
And other times you fall in a bucket of $hit and come out smelling
like a rose.

But sometimes, you just don't give a $hitwhich friggin contractor is called.

Hell, I just like saying $hit. $HIT!... $HIT!... $HIT!!!

o.k.... what the $hit did I just write???

Chad Fabry wrote this.

Chad, if you are here, that's great.

But ...

Do you know Jack $hit (Sometimes spelled as Jack Schitt.)

Click here: Who is Jack $hit?

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Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
Ormond Beach, Florida
Construction Litigation Consultants, LLC ( www.ConstructionLitigationConsultants.com )

That's Bull$hit!

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Mike Schulz License 393
Affordable Home Inspections
www.houseinspections.com

Richard,

Slow day too I see.

Rick

If the HI just mentions that it stunk like $hit, without making any recommendation, the seller can say to *your client* "even your inspector did not say anything had to be done, I'm not paying for anything".

Whether the seller pays or not, we, as HIs, should not care, however, we, as HIs, should not take from our client any tool they may have for recourse with the seller. Not making a recommendation takes away tools regarding the issue(s) where remediation action was 'not recommended'.

What I mean is close to Jerry’s comments. We are paid to act as a consultat. If you have no idea what it is say so. Research the smell, punt but give them direction. Put the course of action into perspective. What do you think about what you see and smell? If you’re clueless, direct them to find someone who has a clue. I’d do a little hunting for them, in your shoes. You look smarter and you were a help. What you got paid to be.

If you see rotted wood on a soffit do you report “fix the wood” or “Moisture damage was found in the over hangs of the house. The main areas included XXX. A qualified carpenter should further investigate the over hangs of the house for other areas of damage. While repairing this material, the source of the water should be investigated and corrected. A possible source to check is damaged shingles.”

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Charlie Sessums www.alphainspection.com
The greatest ideas are often met with violent opposition from mediocre minds. Albert Einstein

Your tag line brought to mind one individual who tends to meet everything with violent opposition ... licensing, etc.

Sorry, could not help but make that connection.

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Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
Ormond Beach, Florida
Construction Litigation Consultants, LLC ( www.ConstructionLitigationConsultants.com )

Author unknown

For some time many of us have wondered just who is Jack Schitt?

We find ourselves at a loss when someone says, 'You don't know Jack Schitt!'

Well,thanks to my genealogy efforts, you can now respond in an intellectual way.

Jack Schitt is the only son of Awe Schitt. Awe Schitt, the fertilizer magnate, married O. Schitt, the owner of Needeep N. Schitt, Inc. They had one son, Jack. In turn, Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt.

The deeply religious couple produced six children: Holie Schitt, Giva Schitt, Fulla Schitt, Bull Schitt, and the twins Deep Schitt and Dip Schitt. Against her parents' objections, Deep Schitt married Dumb Schitt, a high school dropout.

After being married 15 years, Jack and Noe Schitt divorced.

Noe Schitt later married Ted Sherlock, and because her kids were living with them, she wanted to keep her previous name. She was then known as Noe Schitt Sherlock.

Meanwhile, Dip Schitt married Loda Schitt, and they produced a son with a rather nervous disposition named Chicken Schitt.

Two of the other six children, Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt, were inseparable throughout childhood and subsequently married the Happens brothers in a dual ceremony. The wedding announcement in the newspaper announced the Schitt-Happens nuptials. The Schitt-Happens children were Dawg, Byrd,and Horse.

Bull Schitt, the prodigal son, left home to tour the world. He recently returned from Italy with his new Italian bride, Pisa Schitt.

Now when someone says, 'You don't know Jack Schitt,' you can correct them.

Sincerely,
Crock O. Schitt

Jeff
You should acknowledge the odor in the report but make no judgement as to the source, what to do or how long the odor may last. Let the client make a judgement on an action. You are there to work on you clients behalf having there best interest in mind. It would be worse if they come back later and say that you never mentioned it on your report, although, from the sounds of it, I can't belive that they haven't at least mentioned it to the realtor.

MAS

I recently was in a short debate with one individual. My questions were also left unanswered.

I equate the quote with the willingness to change. Now that you mention it one individual does tend to resemble that remark.

If a building is already on fire, what is to be gained by yelling fire is bad?

Somewhat like burying one's head in the sand. What part is left showing?

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Charlie Sessums www.alphainspection.com
The greatest ideas are often met with violent opposition from mediocre minds. Albert Einstein