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Old 08-27-2008, 10:29 PM
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Window by stairs
This looks like a real hazard to me. The window is tempered glass but it seems to me there should be a gaurdrail or an additional banister.
New house, the second picture is in the master bath shower. Sheeze!
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Might as well add one more. Here is where the T&P drains from 2 water heaters (teed together) are connected to the PVC air conditioner condensate line.


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Old 08-28-2008, 07:30 AM
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Re: Window by stairs
Even with the tempered glass I don't like that window set-up. It's just an accident waiting to happen. I'm not huge on guardrails for the stairway windows since they usually look bad but there it really has to have one.
I love the check valve on the condensate line. I'm sure they thought that makes it 'OK'.
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Old 08-28-2008, 03:37 PM
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Re: Window by stairs
The glass is required to be safety glass by code. That has been established.

However, that glass is now "the guardrail" on that side, so, not only must it be safety glass, it *also* must withstand the loads that a guardrail must withstand.

I doubt that window will withstand those loads.

That is the way I would address it - ask the builder to have the window manufacturer to provide ratings and listings which approve that window as meeting the requirements for 'glazed guardrails'.
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Old 08-28-2008, 06:41 PM
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Re: Window by stairs
'glazed guardrails'
I like that one Jerry. I hope I have the opportunity to use it sometime and watch the builders eyes roll.
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Old 08-28-2008, 07:08 PM
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Re: Window by stairs
Markus,

From the IBC. (underlining is mine)
- SECTION 2407
- - GLASS IN HANDRAILS AND GUARDS
- - - 2407.1 Materials. Glass used as a handrail assembly or a guard section shall be constructed of either single fully tempered glass, laminated fully tempered glass or laminated heat-strengthened glass. Glazing in railing in-fill panels shall be of an approved safety glazing material that conforms to the provisions of Section 2406.1.1. For all glazing types, the minimum nominal thickness shall be 1/4 inch (6.4 mm). Fully tempered glass and laminated glass shall comply with Category II of CPSC 16 CFR 1201, listed in Chapter 35.
- - - - 2407.1.1 Loads. The panels and their support system shall be designed to withstand the loads specified in Section 1607.7. A safety factor of four shall be used.
- - - - 2407.1.2 Support. Each handrail or guard section shall be supported by a minimum of three glass balusters or shall be otherwise supported to remain in place should one baluster panel fail. Glass balusters shall not be installed without an attached handrail or guard.
- - - - 2407.1.3 Parking garages. Glazing materials shall not be installed in handrails or guards in parking garages except for pedestrian areas not exposed to impact from vehicles.

- 1607.7 Loads on handrails, guards, grab bars and vehicle barriers. Handrails, guards, grab bars as designed in ICC A117.1 and vehicle barriers shall be designed and constructed to the structural loading conditions set forth in this section.
- - 1607.7.1 Handrails and guards. Handrail assemblies and guards shall be designed to resist a load of 50 plf (0.73 kN/m) applied in any direction at the top and to transfer this load through the supports to the structure. Glass handrail assemblies and guards shall also comply with Section 2407.
- - - Exceptions:
- - - - 1. For one- and two-family dwellings, only the single concentrated load required by Section 1607.7.1.1 shall be applied.
- - - - 2. In Group I-3, F,Hand S occupancies, for areas that are not accessible to the general public and that have an occupant load less than 50, the minimum load shall be 20 pounds per foot (0.29 kN/m).
- - - 1607.7.1.1 Concentrated load. Handrail assemblies and guards shall be able to resist a single concentrated load of 200 pounds (0.89 kN), applied in any direction at any point along the top, and have attachment devices and supporting structure to transfer this loading to appropriate structural elements of the building. This load need not be assumed to act concurrently with the loads specified in the preceding paragraph.
- - - 1607.7.1.2 Components. Intermediate rails (all those except the handrail), balusters and panel fillers shall be designed to withstand a horizontally applied normal load of 50 pounds (0.22 kN) on an area equal to 1 square foot (0.093 m2), including openings and space between rails. Reactions due to this loading are not required to be superimposed with those of Section 1607.7.1 or 1607.7.1.1.
- - - 1607.7.1.3 Stress increase.Where handrails and guards are designed in accordance with the provisions for allowable stress design (working stress design) exclusively for the loads specified in Section 1607.7.1, the allowable stress for the members and their attachments are permitted to be increased by one-third.

"a single concentrated load of 200 pounds (0.89 kN), applied in any direction " times "A safety factor of four shall be used" = 800 pounds "applied in any direction at any point ".

Think that window will support 800 pounds applied to it?

I don't either.
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Old 08-28-2008, 07:14 PM
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Re: Window by stairs
I was kind of liking the master Radon bath
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Old 08-28-2008, 07:17 PM
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I was kind of liking the master Radon bath
Ted,

That has been addressed into the situation, see, it goes like this ... Honey, would you switch the light on being as you are in the shower anyway ...

Not alive long enough for the radon to cause any problems.
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Old 08-28-2008, 07:33 PM
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Ted,

That has been addressed into the situation, see, it goes like this ... Honey, would you switch the light on being as you are in the shower anyway ...

Not alive long enough for the radon to cause any problems.
Yeah know. I was so much admiring the shower my eyes did not even go to the switch. I have this thing for granite, always have.

Oh, about that switch, maybe someone has a large insurance policy on them.
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Re: Window by stairs
Fritz,

Does that window open?

If so, then a guardrail is required in front of the window anyway.
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Old 08-29-2008, 07:23 AM
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Re: Window by stairs
No, it is a fixed pane window about 4 feet wide x 12 feet high.
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