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    Shutoff valves for gas ranges and ovens need only be accessible, not readily accessible. Correct?

    Meaning, that the shutoff valve located behind an oven is acceptable as it is accessible.

    thanks,

    scott

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    correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Hurt View Post
    Shutoff valves for gas ranges and ovens need only be accessible, not readily accessible. Correct?

    Meaning, that the shutoff valve located behind an oven is acceptable as it is accessible.

    thanks,

    scott
    SH: Interestingly the IRC says:

    G2420.1.3 (409.1.3) Access to shutoff valves.
    Shutoff valves
    shall be located in places so as to provide access for operation
    and shall be installed so as to be protected from damage.


    and the Code Check Plumbing, 3rd Edition, says on page 20, "All valves req ready access". What are those West Coast boys smoking?


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    G2420.1.3 (409.1.3) Access to shutoff valves.
    Shutoff
    valves shall be located in places so as to provide access for
    operation and shall be installed so as to be protected from

    damage.

    Now go to Definitions, and see what Accessible is.

    SECTION R202
    DEFINITIONS
    ACCESSIBLE.
    Signifies access that requires the removal of

    an access panel or similar removable obstruction.

    It seems to me that, with this definition, having to move the appilance to have access to the shutoff is acceptable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Cantrell View Post


    G2420.1.3 (409.1.3) Access to shutoff valves.
    Shutoff
    valves shall be located in places so as to provide access for
    operation and shall be installed so as to be protected from
    damage.

    Now go to Definitions, and see what Accessible is.

    SECTION R202
    DEFINITIONS
    ACCESSIBLE.


    Signifies access that requires the removal of
    an access panel or similar removable obstruction.

    It seems to me that, with this definition, having to move the appilance to have access to the shutoff is acceptable.


    RC: Yes, that is correct, but does not make the valve "readily accessible":

    Capable of being reached quickly for operation, renewal, or inspections without requiring those to whom ready access is requisite to climb over or remove obstacles or to resort to portable ladders, and so forth.




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    Quote Originally Posted by A.D. Miller View Post
    RC: Yes, that is correct, but does not make the valve "readily accessible":

    Aaron,

    They are also *not required to be* "readily accessible".

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    Aaron,

    They are also *not required to be* "readily accessible".
    JP: Did you actually read my posts, or just intuit them while burning incense and ohming in the general direction of your navel?


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    Quote Originally Posted by A.D. Miller View Post
    JP: Did you actually read my posts, or just intuit them while burning incense and ohming in the general direction of your navel?
    Aaron,

    I actually read your posts, and even tried to make sense of them ... ... but your vagueness and wondering about between actually "code" and "Code Check" got you confused to the point that I was not sure if you were back on track, thus my clarifying, or trying to clarify, for you that the gas service valves do not need to be readily accessible.

    All that was ascertained whilst sitting with crossed legs on the bonnet of my Jag looking through the windshield toward the boot. No incense needed, I am at peace with the earth and as one with the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    Aaron,

    I actually read your posts, and even tried to make sense of them ... ... but your vagueness and wondering about between actually "code" and "Code Check" got you confused to the point that I was not sure if you were back on track, thus my clarifying, or trying to clarify, for you that the gas service valves do not need to be readily accessible.

    All that was ascertained whilst sitting with crossed legs on the bonnet of my Jag looking through the windshield toward the boot. No incense needed, I am at peace with the earth and as one with the road.
    That's "Windscreen"


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    Default Re: Gas shutoff valve for gas range/oven

    I remember this going around a couple years ago and the idea is the shut-offs at the appliances are only for service not emergencies. If there's a leak, don't bother looking for the shut-off just get out of the house.

    I can't say I totally agree with it but that's what the intent of the placement is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vern Heiler View Post
    That's "Windscreen"
    VH: Keep that boy in line, will you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Fellman View Post
    I remember this going around a couple years ago and the idea is the shut-offs at the appliances are only for service not emergencies. If there's a leak, don't bother looking for the shut-off just get out of the house.

    I can't say I totally agree with it but that's what the intent of the placement is.
    MF: Agreed. After all, you can even put them behind locked doors. Who is going to take the time to find the key under those cirucmstances?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vern Heiler View Post
    That's "Windscreen"
    Vern,

    Yes, I know, but I did not want to throw too many "foreign" terms at Aaron all at once.

    But thank you, I had to access the bonnet by going over the wing.

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    Yes, I know, but I did not want to throw too many "foreign" terms at Aaron all at once.
    JP: Good luck with that one. I may be a couple of languages up on you. AHJ-speak not being one of them, of course.


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    2006 UMC & 2007 CMC:
    1312.4 Equipment Shutoff Valves and Connections.
    Gas utilization equipment connected to a piping system shall have an accessible, approved manual shutoff valve with a nondisplaceable valve member or a listed gas convenience outlet [NFPA 54:9.6.4] installed within six (6) feet (1.8m) of the equipment it serves. Where a connector is used, the valve shall be installed up-stream of the connector. A union or flanged connection shall be provided downstream from this valve to permit removal of controls. Shutoff valves serving decorative gas appliances shall be permitted to be installed in fireplaces if listed for such use. [NFPA 54:9.6.4]
    Exceptions:
    (1) Shutoff valves may be accessibly located inside or under an appliance when such
    appliance can be removed without removal of the shutoff valve.
    (2) Shutoff valves may be accessibly located inside wall heaters and wall furnaces listed
    for recessed installation where necessary maintenance can be performed without removal of the shutoff valve.

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    Behind the stove is where it needs to be...


    Good luck with all the feed back,
    John


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    Quote Originally Posted by John Aspromonte View Post
    Behind the stove is where it needs to be...

    John,

    "needs to be"

    Please explain why and by what documentation or requirement, thanks.

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    Sorry Jerry, (NEEDS) was a little strong. within 6ft like you posted I believe is correct. I was just letting him know that behind the stove is fine.

    John


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