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    I want to finish my basement with drop ceiling and sheetrock on the walls with 2 X 4 studs. I want to have 14 recessed lights with 2 dimmer switches. I applied for the permits and was asked to answer the following questions from electrical

    1) What type of boxes are you going to use for receptacles & switches?

    2) What kind of wire & gauge? I may use 14 gauge

    3) How may cables in each box?

    4) Spacing between receptacles?

    Please see my basement plan attached and help me with the answers to the above questions. Please also help me with the electrical connections for the basement plan attached.

    If someone can help me with the electrical diagram, I would really appreciate. I plan to use connections from empty slots from fuse box in my garage.

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    For 1 and 2 go to the Depot and copy the label on the boxes for the descriptions
    for #3 the box fill will be per the NEC
    for #4 less than 12 ft.
    the subcode is just busting your nuts , let the mayor's office know you don't appreciate being harassed. Just because you don't know what your doing doesn't give him the right to make you feel stupid.

    Add a switched luminaire to the furnace space near the door and a gfi receptacle in that space


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    Word of advice is to use metal boxes where you plan on using dimmers. They will help with heat dissipation. Not required unless required by the dimmer you install.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Pultar View Post
    the subcode is just busting your nuts , let the mayor's office know you don't appreciate being harassed. Just because you don't know what your doing doesn't give him the right to make you feel stupid.

    Leave it to Richard P. to make such a comment, Richard does not think there is a need for codes anyway, much less to actually follow them.

    I recommend you contact a local electrician and work out what he would charge to draw it out properly and lay it out properly, and another charge for his help should you need to call him for help.

    While several of us here could design it and draw it for you, working with a local electrician has major advantages, and you can go to him for advice when the local building department has questions and comments you need to understand what they are asking for.

    There are also other things to consider, such as emergency escape and rescue openings, combustion air for the furnace. I think you need more help on every aspect.

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    Also, looks like you are missing some receptacles based on what I can see which is not much.

    Richard,
    He did not complain about the inspection department and if those were the only questions that he was asked to answer then he is in pretty good shape. We would have required a lot more information than that whether a contractor or homeowner.


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    [quote=Jerry Peck;

    I recommend you contact a local electrician and work out what he would charge to draw it out properly and lay it out properly, and another charge for his help should you need to call him for help.
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    This will help your local economy...

    Do you part.

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    Thanks for the replies. I know that you asked me to go to local electrician and take help, but atleast can you prepare a diagram and send it to me. Also I am still waiting for answers for questions 1, 2, 3.

    1) What type of boxes?

    2) Type of wire & guage?

    3) # of cables in the box

    BTW I live in Edison Township, New Jersey


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    Quote Originally Posted by shatan View Post
    Thanks for the replies. I know that you asked me to go to local electrician and take help, but atleast can you prepare a diagram and send it to me. Also I am still waiting for answers for questions 1, 2, 3.

    1) What type of boxes?

    2) Type of wire & guage?

    3) # of cables in the box

    BTW I live in Edison Township, New Jersey
    New Jersey. Well you will need a Union Guy for that then .

    Just Messin with ya. L.O.L.

    Contact a local sparky guy... thats going to be your best bet...

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    what could he possibly buy that is not a listed component?
    what he might mess up is box fill and a some workmanship issues that could not possibly be shown on a sketch.
    It's a basic .. simple job. Asking how and how many final wiring connections are made and where is absurd. The field conditions will determine final installations.
    If the rough inspection needs correction, so what .
    A simple "all work to be done per UCC" is sufficient.
    Demeaning a person who is willing to get a permit is just petty.


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    Mr Sparky is not located in NJ


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    I'm surprised he did not have to answer what color is the green ground wire?


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    Can you recommend me someone else other than Mr Sparky as they are not in NJ?

    How much would one generally charge me for the drawing?


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    "Sparky" is slang for electrician.

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    Any ideas on charges for drawing from local electrician? What other questions would the township ask for in general?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Pultar View Post
    what could he possibly buy that is not a listed component?
    what he might mess up is box fill and a some workmanship issues that could not possibly be shown on a sketch.
    It's a basic .. simple job. Asking how and how many final wiring connections are made and where is absurd. The field conditions will determine final installations.
    If the rough inspection needs correction, so what .
    A simple "all work to be done per UCC" is sufficient.
    Demeaning a person who is willing to get a permit is just petty.
    You are so far off base and are likely completely clueless to the plan review process which saves tons of headaches down the road. It is a lot easier to pre-plan what you are going to do rather than have to tear out and rewire something because of your box fill, wrong wire, wrong load calc, etc.

    I have been witness to these situations and they are not fun or pretty. Professionals should know better but they don't always. DIYs are for the most part clueless once you get past what they learned by watching TV.

    As a matter of fact, the last 3 overhead electrical services with panels (all DIY jobs) that I inspected all failed, one miserably which ended up costing the guy more than he would have spent had he hired a pro. 2 of the 3 made the same statement to me: "the guy at Home Depot told me........."

    Looks like you will have your opinion and I will have mine which is consistent with code requirements and required procedures.

    The 3 DIY that failed never pulled a permit and only called for an inspection because the power company refused to hook up the new service without an inspection. Had they pulled a permit and went through the motions they would have not failed because everything would have been reviewed properly.

    There is always one guy on every forum that is a detractor.


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    Shatan,
    Get an electrician to help you review what needs to be done and prepare documentation. The mere fact that you are here asking basic questions tells me you need help. You may be able to do the wiring yourself but the preparation is key.

    Box sizes will depend almost entirely on the number of conductors that will be in them along with the number of devices. Without a cable pull diagram showing how you plan on wiring the fixtures, there is no way to tell what you will need.

    The cost of an electrician will be minimal compared to what you will save by doing the work yourself. The code official cannot design anything for you but will give you code references if you fail an inspection.

    If you feel the need to finish your basement then you can afford to hire a professional to get you to where you need to be.


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    We are not being hard on you... please understand. I have a lot on info one home system and I just paid sparky to put a new service in my home. they do it every day all day long... way better then I every could.
    My new panel works great and looks great. sparky is the man.

    For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

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    the plan review should include the code references ..that information would clear up any questions..Demanding answers to open ended questions is berating.
    The tone of the questions by the plan reviewer leads me towards believing that his focus is a xenophobic reaction to a Desi homeowner lying about doing the work themselves , in a basement that is not going to be used as a bedroom.
    It's time to get over any personal bias and just accept that over 10,000 Indians are making their homes in Edison and that's the way it is.
    This job is and will be a nightmare .I only wish that the electrician that does the work puts his seal on the paperwork so he takes responsibility.


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    Good luck getting an electrician to do only the plans. He'll want to do the whole job or nothing.

    Go to the Home Depot and get the deepest switch/outlet boxes to hold the most wires. Some of them have the box fill stamped right on them.

    Richard, ouch.


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    The Uniform Construction Code 5:23-2.15 f iii is specific "electrical plans and specifications shall contain: Floor and ceiling plans; lighting, receptacles..location. line diagram and wire,.. and breaker sizes."
    Requiring a applicant to be subjected to a Quiz is harassment.The plan reviewer should just do the job. The permiting process can be intimidating enough without being subjected to ridicule.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Pultar View Post
    The Uniform Construction Code 5:23-2.15 f iii is specific "electrical plans and specifications shall contain: Floor and ceiling plans; lighting, receptacles..location. line diagram and wire,.. and breaker sizes."
    Requiring a applicant to be subjected to a Quiz is harassment.The plan reviewer should just do the job. The permiting process can be intimidating enough without being subjected to ridicule.
    Sounds to me like someone has issues with a code enforcement department and they are using this forum to vent his/her frustration. I once knew a guy who ended up in litigation over a rental inspection. Now he hates code enforcment people.


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    When I was an AHJ, I always believed it was the right thing to do to help someone like this gentleman. But I also had the experience that allowed me to do so. The bottom line is--they are going to do it anyway and I would rather be a little more involved to the point of actually getting to inspect it then have them disappear. My job was to make sure the electrical was compliant and safe when finished. Dealing with home owners was very time consuming, often to the point of talking about "big" wires and "little" wires. It get pretty easy for someone to sit in the office and just demand information. I often wonder if they even know what they are looking at or just covering their butts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Pultar View Post
    The Uniform Construction Code 5:23-2.15 f iii is specific "electrical plans and specifications shall contain: Floor and ceiling plans; lighting, receptacles..location. line diagram and wire,.. and breaker sizes."
    The person pulling the permit *IS THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE* for the job, and is the person responsible for providing plans which state all of the necessary requirements, which include:

    From the 2006 IRC. (bold and underlining are mine)
    - R106.1.1 Information on construction documents.
    Construction documents shall be drawn upon suitable material. Electronic media documents are permitted to be submitted when approved by the building official. Construction documents shall be of sufficient clarity to indicate the location, nature and extent of the work proposed and show in detail that it will conform to the provisions of this code and relevant laws, ordinances, rules and regulations, as determined by the building official.


    Requiring a applicant to be subjected to a Quiz is harassment.The plan reviewer should just do the job. The permitting process can be intimidating enough without being subjected to ridicule.
    The building official was not ridiculing him, the building official was asking for the information which *IS REQUIRED* to be provided.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Miller View Post
    When I was an AHJ, I always believed it was the right thing to do to help someone like this gentleman.
    Roland,

    It is one thing to 'be nice and respectful', it is a completely different thing 'to be expected to design the work' - that is the responsibility of the person applying for the permit.

    The plan review process can only be done *if given sufficient information on the plans*, and that information was lacking, so the building official asked for that information ... THAT IS THEIR JOB.

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    this is in new jersey, NJ has a law UCC 5.23


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Pultar View Post
    this is in new jersey, NJ has a law UCC 5.23
    Isn't NJ using the IRC?

    Have they completely removed or amended the Administration portion?

    Typically, laws like that are "in addition to" what is prescribed in the adopted code, not 'in place of' because, being the adopted code, that makes the code enforceable, and, if adopted like in Florida, the code become a state law.

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    IMHO--there is a difference between having multitudes of certifications, reading the code and knowing what you are doing. BUREAUCRACY. The abuse of official influence in the affairs of government; corruption. This word has lately been adopted to signify that those persons who are employed in bureaus abuse their authority by intrigue to promote their own benefit, or that of friends, rather than the public good. The word is derived from the French.

    1 a: a body of nonelective government officials b: an administrative policy-making group
    2: government characterized by specialization of functions, adherence to fixed rules, and a hierarchy of authority
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    1) What type of boxes are you going to use for receptacles & switches?

    2) What kind of wire & gauge? I may use 14 gauge

    3) How may cables in each box?

    4) Spacing between receptacles?

    If these are accurate questions from the electrical plan review--they are pathetic. A genuine plan review would make comments that assure compliance with the adopted codes and standards, not just ask questions. For pete's sake--at least provide the code reference generating the comment. Did this guy have a sign on his forehead that says "pick on me"?


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    There were 2 other things they asked me

    1) LOUVRE DOOR or MAKEUP AIR GRILL HIGH and FLOW FOR MECHANICAL ROOM SHEETROCK BOTTOM OF STAIRCASE

    Why do I need to sheetrock bottom of staircase

    2) Securing of Wire (Spacing of Staples)

    3) PROVIDE HOW THE ALTERATION OF THE BASEMENT TO BE HEATED. INDICATE ELECTRIC BASEBOARD HEAT OR OF USING THE EXISTING HVAC, IT MUST BE CERTIFIED THAT IT WILL SUPPORT THE NEW ADDITIONAL VOLUME, AN THE DUCT WORK IS SIZE CORRECTLY SO THAT IT WILL NOT BECOME OVERLOADED AND HAZARDOUS.

    My only question to them was I already have a supply vent currently in my unifinished basement which was provided by the builder and I dont need more than that.Then they gave me reference to 2003 International Mechanical Code Chapter 1 Section 102.4. It states that Additions, alterations or repairs shall not cause an existing mechanical system to become unsafe, hazardous or overloaded. How do I convince them. Do I use baseboard heat. If so, what kind. I want the one's which can be plugged into the receptacle. Please advise me on item #1, 2, 3.


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    Is there a code to have ample heat supply in basement. Whay are they asking me to have baseboard heaters as an alternate?


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    I can always say that I do not need heat in the basement? Is it mandatory according to the code


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    portions of the IRC have been adopted into the UCC in NJ
    portions of CABO was the 1 and 2 family prior
    admin chapter 1 has been deleted.


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    OK, this is my opinion, take it or leave it.

    Shatan, you are a DIYr who has come to a home inspection forum for free advice on a project that you obviously are not ready to do by what you have stated and the questions that you have asked.

    You need to have a meeting with the code official and go over what you are planning on doing then ask him the questions you are posing here.

    You may be physically capable of performing the work but it appears as though you really have no idea what you are doing and will need direction from an in person professional.

    It is not the code officials job to design or coach you as that is beyond the scope of his duty.

    Maybe you can hire the home inspector who purchased your home when you bought it to see if he does construction consulting separate from his inspection business.


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    so u mean to say chapter 1 admin ifrom international mechanical code is deleted for nj.

    Also, is there really a code for required heating in basement. I do not think so


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    So I'm standing in line at the plan check. boy this is going to be a long day. I need to get these plans to the plan check desk and get back to the job...

    This guy is asking all these Q. to the guy at the plan check desk. its been 25 Min. the line of people is 25 deep... come on dude. just hand in your plans... What another Q. what was that how many wires in a Box?

    Dude its time to go... I got to get back to the job site!!!


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    How far are you from Freehold? Richard Pultar can probably help you out since he is up with the NJ codes.


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    I am about 1/2 hr away from freehold. Can he help me?


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    I can always say that I do not need heat in the basement? Is it mandatory according to the code
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Miller View Post
    1) What type of boxes are you going to use for receptacles & switches?

    2) What kind of wire & gauge? I may use 14 gauge

    3) How may cables in each box?

    4) Spacing between receptacles?

    If these are accurate questions from the electrical plan review--they are pathetic. A genuine plan review would make comments that assure compliance with the adopted codes and standards, not just ask questions. For pete's sake--at least provide the code reference generating the comment. Did this guy have a sign on his forehead that says "pick on me"?
    Roland,

    Obviously you have never done plan review before.

    The plan reviewer needs to know those things BEFORE they can give an opinion on the plan.

    You are sounding like Richard P. in that it is not the submitters obligation to provide the required information, that it is the building departments job to approve whatever incomplete plans are given to them. If that is what you think, you are so very wrong.

    Without the required information, the plan reviewer cannot offer an opinion or advice, not even a code reference (other than the one I gave which requires the information be provided on the plans).

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    Quote Originally Posted by shatan View Post
    Is there a code to have ample heat supply in basement. Whay are they asking me to have baseboard heaters as an alternate?
    Quote Originally Posted by shatan View Post
    I can always say that I do not need heat in the basement? Is it mandatory according to the code
    Does not matter what you "say it is", you "are making it habitable space", and habitable space requires heat.

    Sounds like you need to stop trying to fight for the worst case condition you can build to, i.e., you need to stop trying to fight for a way to kill your family members and hire a contractor to work with you on the plans, advising you with what is needed, maybe even to explain why.

    Then, like with the electrician, you will need to confer with the contractor while doing the work, just as you should confer with the electrician while doing the electrical.

    There are very good reasons for all the requirements, and if you listen to Richard P. and Roland rant about why and how cares if you don't do those things, you will end up learning a VERY EXPENSIVE lesson, one in which you could likely have paid for the contractor, electrician, etc., and never have lifted a finger to do any of the work - those lesson do not come cheaply, and, if you persist in you activities and Walmartization (racing for the bottom) of your project, you will likely find that out first hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Remas View Post
    How far are you from Freehold? Richard Pultar can probably help you out since he is up with the NJ codes.
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    Jeff,

    Richard P. is the last person to help anyone out with any codes. He is very anti-code.

    This guy needs real knowledge and real help, and he really needs to hire a contractor to draw up what he needs, then work out a deal to do as much of the work as he may be qualified to do, which may be very little.

    Not trying to bust his butt, or yours, but if he listens to Richard P., he will likely end up with serious problems.

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    Jerry...Please take a look at the attachment in first post of the thread. I am only going to use the area as playing area. So if I am finishing a basement, would it mean I will need heat. My friends in other townships got permits even without heat. So are they really any codes and if so what are those. Mechanical code from chapter 1 section 2 has to do with changes to the furnace but it does not say anything about having heat as mandatory in the code book

    Anyone please help?


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    Quote Originally Posted by shatan View Post
    Jerry...Please take a look at the attachment in first post of the thread. I am only going to use the area as playing area. So if I am finishing a basement, would it mean I will need heat. My friends in other townships got permits even without heat. So are they really any codes and if so what are those. Mechanical code from chapter 1 section 2 has to do with changes to the furnace but it does not say anything about having heat as mandatory in the code book

    Anyone please help?
    Just what did they get a permit for? fix a pipe? repair a 2x4 ? or convert a storage/basement into a play room?

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    Ron..... All I am doing is a sheetrock on the walls (ofcourse with 2x4s and insulation) and drop ceiling with recessed lights. I am not having any rooms. Just one room for storage and the rest of area is open which can be used as a play area.


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    It was originally unfinished. I am getting mixed responses. But one thing I am sure is that my friends in other townships got permits to finish a basement with play area/family recreation without having heat vents.


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    Sorry they did something to cover the fact that they were converting a storage room into a living space... try converting a garage into a living space... the city will require more then heat!!!

    Why don't you just go do without a permit and forget about all the fuss...

    I'm sorry but I think you are just cheap and do not want to do the right thing and you are trying to drag this board and these fine inspectors into your mess.

    with all respect...

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    I am getting so many responses from everyone. But few people are telling me that the township requires me to have heat. Can I find any reference to this or code anywhere which states that


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    [quote=Jerry Peck;66118]Does not matter what you "say it is", you "are making it habitable space", and habitable space requires heat.

    Sounds like you need to stop trying to fight for the worst case condition you can build to, i.e., you need to stop trying to fight for a way to kill your family members and hire a contractor to work with you on the plans, advising you with what is needed, maybe even to explain why.


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    JERRY GAVE YOU ALL THE INFO. YOU JUST DON'T WANT IT.


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    Jerry...Please take a look at the attachment in first post of the thread. I am only going to use the area as playing area.
    Bingo!

    Now you are getting it.

    So if I am finishing a basement, would it mean I will need heat.
    Yes.

    My friends in other townships got permits even without heat.
    Then either they did not get the permits they should have, or, their local building departments on still back in the ice age.

    So are they really any codes and if so what are those.
    Yes, there are code sections which address all those things, this is the one regarding heat.

    From the 2006 IRC.
    - R303.8 Required heating.
    When the winter design temperature in Table R301.2(1) is below 60F (16C), every dwelling unit shall be provided with heating facilities capable of maintaining a minimum room temperature of 68F (20C) at a point 3 feet (914 mm) above the floor and 2 feet (610 mm) from exterior walls in all habitable rooms at the design temperature. The installation of one or more portable space heaters shall not be used to achieve compliance with this section.


    Your "winter design temperature" would be 14 degrees F, which means that heat is required "in all habitable rooms" and must be "capable of maintaining a minimum room temperature of 68F (20C) at a point 3 feet (914 mm) above the floor and 2 feet (610 mm) from exterior walls".

    There are other code sections which cover your other questions.

    That is why you really (yes, "really") need to go over your plan with a qualified contractor, one who can guide you through the planing process (what you are doing now), through the permitting process (what you started to do), through the construction process, through your inspections and questions, and through to your Certificate of Occupancy - which you will need before those areas are approved for "occupancy".

    And, yes, there will be a cost involved, and, no, that cost will not be anywhere near as much as if you proceeded on you own and kept not doing things correctly.

    I am not trying to bust your butt, just trying to educate you in the facts of life on what you should be doing to do your project properly and correctly, and to avoid as many problems as possible.

    I can fly up there, go through the code with you and explain it all, going through your plan, etc., however, if *I* were to do it, you would in no way "be saving money" - so I keep repeating "get a local knowledgeable and qualified contractor to work with you".

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    Jerry.....I think you may be wrong here. I just checked this code with 2006 New Jersey Residential Code and this has been deleted. Please verify and let me know


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    I think he is just playing a game. I will bet money that the contractor if one ever get this job will have one class act to work with...

    I'm sorry shatan. I have just been around to long and when i see some one like you and post things the way you are. Dude I would not work for you... your the type that will want the contractor to work so cheap that he will be looking for ways to get off your job and get away from you as fast as he can...

    But in the end you will be looking for a way to start a lawsuit on the contractor. Dude you just don't get and you never will...

    I will say no more...

    Best

    Ron

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    Those of you living in California and Florida, IRC Code R303.8 for the state of NJ has been deleted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shatan View Post
    Jerry.....I think you may be wrong here. I just checked this code with 2006 New Jersey Residential Code and this has been deleted. Please verify and let me know
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    Jerry,

    I was not even close to being serious about him using Richard.

    Just give up, the answer is that he has to sit down and go over this and get answers from the AHJ but instead he is wasting his time here and our time.

    I think we are talking to a brick wall and nothing good will come out of this. He is obviously over his head and is still waiting for someone to tell him what he wants to hear.


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    This is a video of a guy finishing his basement, just do what he is doing.

    YouTube - Stupid Carpenter


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    Another DIY video to help with the process.

    YouTube - Stupid Carpenter


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    Shatan based on your questions and comments you will most likely either electrocute someone or burn your house down. You do not appear to be anywhere near knowledgeable enough to mess with voltage. I understand saving some money but in your case, spend it on a good Mr. Sparky

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    Quote Originally Posted by shatan View Post
    Those of you living in California and Florida, IRC Code R303.8 for the state of NJ has been deleted.
    I am still waiting for answer on this. Is the code really deleted or replaced with a different code


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    Quote Originally Posted by shatan View Post
    I am still waiting for answer on this. Is the code really deleted or replaced with a different code
    Now this is getting fun. You are making a statement then saying that no on is answering your question. If I had the ability to lock or delete a thread, I would start with this one.

    Lets put this on the ignor list.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shatan View Post
    I am still waiting for answer on this. Is the code really deleted or replaced with a different code
    Shatan, you didn't even ask a question previously about this. You made a statement and expected a response.

    We're home inspectors here. Some have more experience with electrical installations than others but we're still home inspectors. You need an electrician. You should go find one because you're wasting everybody's time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Ostrowski View Post
    Shatan, you didn't even ask a question previously about this. You made a statement and expected a response.

    We're home inspectors here. Some have more experience with electrical installations than others but we're still home inspectors. You need an electrician. You should go find one because you're wasting everybody's time.
    I am sorry everyone if I have been rude here. That's not my intention. My only question is that is there really a code for requiring heat in the state of new jersey.


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    If a particular section of a code is deleted, it is usually because it is replaced by another (usually more stringent) code. There is not just one code but a series of interrelated codes adopted by your local jurisdiction.
    If your local AHJ is requiring heat, then you need heat, he can provide the specific code reference.
    From your earlier post you said you had a heat vent so the point is moot.
    My only question to them was I already have a supply vent currently in my unfinished basement which was provided by the builder and I dont need more than that.Then they gave me reference to 2003 International Mechanical Code Chapter 1 Section 102.4. It states that Additions, alterations or repairs shall not cause an existing mechanical system to become unsafe, hazardous or overloaded. How do I convince them.
    Please, please, please get some professional help before you kill someone!
    You convince the AHJ by giving them the information they asked for so they can PROTECT you and the others YOU might kill or injure.
    If you insist on doing the work yourself, fine, but get help from a licensed professional in your area to help you plan and review your work. This is a part of the cost of doing the work and if you can't afford to do the work correctly, then don't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shatan View Post
    Jerry.....I think you may be wrong here. I just checked this code with 2006 New Jersey Residential Code and this has been deleted. Please verify and let me know
    I don't have the NJ code amendments, and no links to the NJ code to check, but if you checked and if it says what you say it does: 1) I would be surprised; 2) then go for it; 3) but expect to be called on it later when: a) you need to heat that area, b) you go to sell and your buyer demands you install heat, c) I can think of no good reasons to try to "go that cheap".

    You REALLY need to contact a local contractor and work with them, especially if the NJ code has amendments to the IRC, only a local contractor would know, SHOULD KNOW, them.

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    I was told by the township that if I dont plan to upgrade the furnace for heat, I can buy electric baseboard heaters. Would it mean I can buy space saver heaters or do I really need those electric baseboard heaters which are mounted to the wall and prewired for basebpard heaters?


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    Quote Originally Posted by shatan View Post
    I was told by the township that if I dont plan to upgrade the furnace for heat, I can buy electric baseboard heaters. Would it mean I can buy space saver heaters
    .

    You mean "portable plug-in heaters"?

    No.

    or do I really need those electric baseboard heaters which are mounted to the wall and prewired for basebpard heaters?
    .

    Yep.

    Permanently mounted and permanently wired in.

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    Shatan, you live in NJ. Whay do you insist on asking home inspectors who do not live in your area what is required for your state? You should stop fishing for the answers you want to hear on this board and instead get the answers you need to hear from professionals in your own area.

    It's not going to do you any good to fight your township by saying "But so-and-so from Illinois or some other state said I didn't need to do that".

    Go to your township and find out what you need to do.


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