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    Heh gang my 1st time posting on the board. Just 2 easy questions. The pictures below look to me like a loose breaker. Just looking for some confirmation. The panel and breakers are Square D. Also, the main risk is arcing which is a fire danger, not to mention a loose breaker can also be a shock risk. Any other risks you would call out?
    Secondly, this same panel has a cable wire grounded to a screw on the cover of the box. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe this allowed, correct?
    Thanks!!

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    You got the double tapped breakers and the white conductors noted also I guess.

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    Yes, got the double tap, but not the white conductor. The white conductor is connected to a terminal labeled "load neutral" which is ok, right? I believe this circuit is for a 220 hot tub.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Hurst View Post
    You got the double tapped breakers and the white conductors noted also I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donn Lindorfer View Post
    Yes, got the double tap, but not the white conductor. The white conductor is connected to a terminal labeled "load neutral" which is ok, right? I believe this circuit is for a 220 hot tub.

    The white is on a GFCI breaker. Look closely and you will see the Test button.

    Yeah, that loose breaker could be a problem - it could also be an easy fix ... if it has not already arced up the breaker tab, if it has that would be bad news. However, I am guessing that the panel is a CTL panel and that lower right breaker simply cannot be fit on properly, and there is a reason for that ... it is the wrong breaker in the wrong panel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Hurst View Post
    You got the double tapped breakers and the white conductors noted also I guess. rick
    He got you there Rick!

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    That loose breaker is not even a Sq D breaker, which is why it is not fitting correctly.

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    Jerry, your first instinct was correct. Take a closer look. It is a SqD. Might be counterfeit though as it does not look typical.
    My bet is that it is a CTL board where someone tried to use a twin breaker.



    Cable companies ground to where ever they want it seems, valid or not. Using a cover screw is not a listed application which is why they've come up with some strange contraptions to clamp onto panel boxes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy Petey View Post
    Jerry, your first instinct was correct. Take a closer look. It is a SqD. Might be counterfeit though as it does not look typical.
    My bet is that it is a CTL board where someone tried to use a twin breaker.
    Peter,

    My second post was adding to my first post.

    I think that is a non-CTL breaker in a CTL panel, AND, that breaker is not a Square D.

    The reason I say it is not a Square D is the width or the raised part, compare it to the Square D breaker opposite it - there is no way that divider piece is going to fit between the non-Square D breaker and the Square D breaker above it as the width of the raised part is the full width of the breaker, unlike the other Square D breakers.

    See what I am referring to?

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    I don't know, Jerry. I was thinking the same thing, but look at this:

    HomeLine ® Circuit Breakers - Schneider Electric United States

    I would tend to agree that it is either improperly installed, or not made for the panel it is installed in. This may be due to the breaker being a mini or tandem.


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    This will save looking it up on the web site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Aldering View Post
    I don't know, Jerry. I was thinking the same thing, but look at this:

    HomeLine Circuit Breakers - Schneider Electric United States

    I would tend to agree that it is either improperly installed, or not made for the panel it is installed in. This may be due to the breaker being a mini or tandem.
    Yes, that is definitely a SqD breaker.
    You can clearly make out the "D in a square" on the sticker.


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    square D Homeline breaker in a Square D QO panel


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    Quote Originally Posted by ken horak View Post
    square D Homeline breaker in a Square D QO panel
    That's physically impossible.

    Besides, that is an HOM panel.


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    my bad !
    I guess thats what I get for looking at it with that stupid laptop instead of my desktop


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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Aldering View Post
    I don't know, Jerry. I was thinking the same thing, but look at this:

    HomeLine Circuit Breakers - Schneider Electric United States

    I would tend to agree that it is either improperly installed, or not made for the panel it is installed in. This may be due to the breaker being a mini or tandem.
    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Aldering View Post
    This will save looking it up on the web site.
    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy Petey View Post
    Yes, that is definitely a SqD breaker.
    You can clearly make out the "D in a square" on the sticker.
    Well ... I would not say "clearly make out", I had to zoom in and squint but then I saw the D.

    Thus I stand (sit) corrected.

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