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    Just curious how often you mention messy workmanship in panels. The pics are not the best I had to crop them, but you get the idea.

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    I've seen some proverbial rats nests in panels but unless there is something wrong, I don't write it up. However, I have written it up when the wires won't even stay inside the front of the box interior with the deadfront cover removed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mathew stouffer View Post
    Just curious how often you mention messy workmanship in panels. The pics are not the best I had to crop them, but you get the idea.
    Given what I usually see, it would never occur to me to write those up as messy. It's all relative, I guess.

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    Well after I saw this I just figured the guy was having a bad day

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathew stouffer View Post
    Well after I saw this I just figured the guy was having a bad day
    That I would write up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Ostrowski View Post
    That I would write up.
    ditto

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    No code violation that I can see from pics.
    Visually messy is not a hazard in most cases because; in most cases there really isn't sufficient room for a neat installation especially when the neutral/grounding busses are located at the top of the panel.

    Whenever I encounter a real neat job, usually all the conductors are tie-rapped together, I make the installer cut em off and spread them out...making it more messy.
    I really appreciate when the conductors are neatly cut exactly to length so that a bunch of wire nuts can be installed at the next service upgrade.
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    Whoa, didn't see that last pic at the bottom of the panel :{
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    I will up the ante on this one. You should have seen the rest of the house.

    It was classic "Deliverance meets Red Green"




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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Remas View Post
    I will up the ante on this one. You should have seen the rest of the house.

    It was classic "Deliverance meets Red Green"
    Yes that one's a classic. Things went all to h3ll after he lost the screws to the deadfront.


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    I address violation and unsafe conditions..if I were to start addressing messy workmanship, I would need 10 hours on some inspections...


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    I'll raise you three!!!!!

    You did say you wanted the panel plastered too????

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    We probably all have some messy panel boxes, which seems to be the norm. So when I see a well kept panel (no code issues, no rust, etc,) I like to make a general comment as a good will jesture, like "well maintained panel box". It makes the owner "feel good" and the buyer is glad to have a good panel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Miller View Post
    We probably all have some messy panel boxes, which seems to be the norm. So when I see a well kept panel (no code issues, no rust, etc,) I like to make a general comment as a good will jesture, like "well maintained panel box". It makes the owner "feel good" and the buyer is glad to have a good panel.
    If the wiring in the box is another indicator of amateur DIYitis with the electrical system,I have advised having a master electrician check and correct all wiring issues in the house as a safety precaution

    The above statements are expressed solely as my opinion and in all probability will conflict with someone else's.
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    Default Re: Messy Workmanship In Panel

    I have seen a lot worse but I usually only write them up if I can't read the legend or if the panel is really hard to close after removing the front, or there is some other problem with the wiring.


    Quote Originally Posted by mathew stouffer View Post
    Just curious how often you mention messy workmanship in panels. The pics are not the best I had to crop them, but you get the idea.



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    Hey Charles, At least the had the breakers installed when they spray textured.

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