Thread: Those pesky fence installers

Found this in a panel of a condo. Guy installing a fence post bracket didn't know when to stop.

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The fence guy was lucky that day.

Good catch, Hawkeye.

Originally Posted by Rick Cantrell

The fence guy was lucky that day.

Yeah, if that's the service panel, he's lucky the neutral bus is already grounded.

Yep, 200 amp.

KEEP THE FINGERS OUTTA THERE

Jack,

Can I use those photos?

I am giving a seminar this weekend and I would like to show those photos, giving you credit for the photos, naturally.

Jerry, feel free to use away.

While it may look like my hand is close to the insides of the panel, it really isn't. I just put my finger in some photos to show items.

Originally Posted by Rick Cantrell

The fence guy was lucky that day.

Unless someone warns him of his actions, he'll meet his maker all too soon.

rick

Jerry, Be sure to send the royalty check to the regular address.

Rick, I think that's what's called "thinning the herd".

The condo is 6 years old, so finding the fence guy may be a little difficult. I just had a thought, I bet there are a bunch in the complex that are exactly the same.

How secure can the fence be when it is secured by drywall or deck screws?

i don't see a problem here. haven't any of yous geniuses heard of an electric fence?

Jim, The screws were not drywall screws, and they did go thru Hardiplank siding as well as OSB before they went into the backside of the panel. They were securing post brackets against the exterior wall of the garage. The fence was pretty solid.

I don't know what all the whining is about,although it looks like it was his 4th attempt he did find neutral.

Not just fence installers, siding installers are just as bad. There are two nails. One is just under the near hot leg. This is amazing. One should think something wasn't right when you had to pound the heck out of the nail. But then, maybe they were hanging the siding with pneumatic nailers.

Originally Posted by Jack Feldmann

Jerry, Be sure to send the royalty check to the regular address.

I did, and I received it today.

This must be more common than we might think.... this was a siding install. As best I can tell, the nail hit the hot conductor and bounced off (while leaving a big scorch mark) and came to rest just a couple mm from the ground and/or the hot wire.

ps.... you can have this one too JP if you're still looking for stuff for your class

And what about those guys who build the garage shelves on the weekend? They are totally clueless regarding clearances.

rick

I wonder how long it will be before Code will call for panel boxes to be made from, at least as heavy of gauge steel, as the nail plates used to protect wires and pipes from drywall nails and screws?

Heavier metal? I'm expecting them to be of plastic any time.

Originally Posted by Larry Morrison

I wonder how long it will be before Code will call for panel boxes to be made from, at least as heavy of gauge steel, as the nail plates used to protect wires and pipes from drywall nails and screws?

They don't always work as intended.

I had an installer from California Closets power right through a 16 gauge nail plate and into an 1-1/4" pex line.

Last Thursday, I found a receptacle that had the cover plate attached with a drywall screw.
Doesn't make for a dramatic photograph like some of the doozies on this thread but I did wonder about the guy who screwed a 1-1/4" screw into a receptacle where a 3/8" or so screw should go.

Too late, Rick. They already are.

Square D Trilliant panels

Originally Posted by Erby Crofutt

Too late, Rick. They already are.

Square D Trilliant panels

But they are quite obsolete, & breakers are as costly as Zinsco, if not more $$$.

Originally Posted by Erby Crofutt

Too late, Rick. They already are.

Square D Trilliant panels

WOW!! Technology is moving way too fast.

I've never seen one of those panels.

rick

Originally Posted by Rick Hurst

WOW!! Technology is moving way too fast.

I've never seen one of those panels.

rick

Pretty unlikely you will see them either. Did not really make sense for SQ D to have 3 lines of panels (QO,HOM, & Trilliant) they have been gone for 15 years or so, & never really took off. GE has a few small loadcenters made with Lexan enclosures.

flush panels either exterior or interior walls is asking for trouble, Had one person drive a nail through one on the backside which was an interior wall hanging a large mirror or something.
wish the code provided for more clearance on the backside of panels mounted within walls.
I prefer framing out 2x6 for those panels leaving a little room, and if exterior wall mounted from an interior space frame out to have insulation behind panel.
Many panels are mount in the garage around here on an exterior wall, seen some siding nails hit the panels.

I like to set a post a few inches from the wall, that way they are not in contact w/ the building, but fence building is not a favorite pastime of mine. I dislike it almost as much as masonry work.