Results 1 to 10 of 10
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    2,797

    Default Deadfront Terminology Question

    When a deadfront consists of a front plate (on which the cover door hinges) and a separate section connected to the front plate which fits over the breakers, what is the correct terminology for:

    1) The front plate on which the door hinges.
    2) The inner section which fits over the breakers.

    Thanks

    Similar Threads:
    2018 ASHI InspectionWorld
    Michael Thomas
    Paragon Property Services Inc., Chicago IL
    http://paragoninspects.com

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    On The Mason-Dixon Line
    Posts
    577

    Default Re: Deadfront Terminology Question

    A basic residential panel has a cover. A one piece cover that when removed exposes the entire interior of the panel.
    A commercial panel commonly has a cover and a dead-front. When you remove the cover it exposes the gutter space around the interior of the panel,but the panelboard itself and the breakers are still covered by the dead-front.

    So when you said:
    the front plate on which the door hinges - that is a cover
    The inner section which fits over the breakers-- That is a dead-front

    Hope this helps


  3. #3
    Robert Meier's Avatar
    Robert Meier Guest

    Default Re: Deadfront Terminology Question

    Quote Originally Posted by ken horak View Post
    A basic residential panel has a cover. A one piece cover that when removed exposes the entire interior of the panel.
    A commercial panel commonly has a cover and a dead-front. When you remove the cover it exposes the gutter space around the interior of the panel,but the panelboard itself and the breakers are still covered by the dead-front.

    So when you said:
    the front plate on which the door hinges - that is a cover
    The inner section which fits over the breakers-- That is a dead-front

    Hope this helps
    Ken where can we find these definitions?


  4. #4
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    On The Mason-Dixon Line
    Posts
    577

    Default Re: Deadfront Terminology Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Meier View Post
    Ken where can we find these definitions?
    From 30 years of experience in the electrical field

    PLUS

    From Square D : Everything marked F1 is listed as Deadfront in the charts
    http://static.schneider-electric.us/...1670SB9601.pdf

    Matter of fact if you spend some time researching the Scheinder electric ( square D) website for the various panels you wil see the term Deadfront everywhere with pictures of what I decribed

    Hope This helps


  5. #5
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    2,797

    Default Re: Deadfront Terminology Question

    Here are the two "sections", what I am trying to report is the missing bolt connecting them:

    ***IMPORTANT*** You Need To Register To View Images ***IMPORTANT*** You Need To Register To View Images
    Michael Thomas
    Paragon Property Services Inc., Chicago IL
    http://paragoninspects.com

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    On The Mason-Dixon Line
    Posts
    577

    Default Re: Deadfront Terminology Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Thomas View Post
    Here are the two "sections", what I am trying to report is the missing bolt connecting them:

    From what I can see in that picture you are dealing with a Square D flush mount cover . It is a one piece cover for a residential panel ,( or I should say a 120/240 volt single phase panel)
    . Those covers have the part that covers the breakers on a pin that has a spring on it. Square D refers to this as "automatic flush adjustment"
    Did You remove the cover ? Looks like to me the pin is there ( from what I can see)
    On the label it should list the cover part number. It is a common part found in most home improvement stores like Lowes and Home Depot and electrical supply houses.( Go to lowes or home depot and look at them in the electrical aisle and you will see what I'm talking about)

    Last edited by ken horak; 02-20-2012 at 10:25 AM.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    2,797

    Default Re: Deadfront Terminology Question

    Quote Originally Posted by ken horak View Post
    Did You remove the cover ?
    Aw, come on, you have *got* to be kidding!

    The answer, of course, is yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ken horak View Post
    Looks like to me the pin is there ( from what I can see)
    The pin is present, but the spring and nut for the for the pin connecting the "outer" to the "inner" deadfront portion is missing, and the two portions are not connected at the bottom.

    Quote Originally Posted by ken horak View Post
    Those covers have the part that covers the breakers on a pin that has a spring on it. Square D refers to this as "automatic flush adjustment". On the label it should list the cover part number. It is a common part found in most home improvement stores like Lowes and Home Depot and electrical supply houses.( Go to lowes or home depot and look at them in the electrical aisle and you will see what I'm talking about)
    I've looked at hundreds of these, and I've looked at the documentation I can find at the manufacturers site.

    What I went to be able to say is:

    "A potion of the pin mechanism connecting the XXXXX to the YYYYY is missing, and the XXXXX is not properly connected to the YYYYY at their lower attachment point."

    What I want to know is, what is the proper term for the the XXXXX and YYYYY portions?

    Last edited by Michael Thomas; 02-20-2012 at 01:19 PM.
    Michael Thomas
    Paragon Property Services Inc., Chicago IL
    http://paragoninspects.com

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Southern Vancouver Island
    Posts
    4,546

    Default Re: Deadfront Terminology Question

    He told you. "A pin has come loose which connects the outer cover to the inner cover (or deadfront). Have an electrician remove the cover and repair it"

    John Kogel, RHI, BC HI Lic #47455
    www.allsafehome.ca

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    On The Mason-Dixon Line
    Posts
    577

    Default Re: Deadfront Terminology Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Thomas View Post
    Aw, come on, you have *got* to be kidding!

    The answer, of course, is yes.
    I knew the answer but had to ask anyway

    Quote Originally Posted by Michae Thomas View Post
    The pin is present, but the spring and nut for the for the pin connecting the "outer" to the "inner" deadfront portion is missing, and the two portions are not connected at the bottom.



    I've looked at hundreds of these, and I've looked at the documentation I can find at the manufacturers site.

    What I went to be able to say is:

    "A potion of the pin mechanism connecting the XXXXX to the YYYYY is missing, and the XXXXX is not properly connected to the YYYYY at their lower attachment point."

    What I want to know is, what is the proper term for the the XXXXX and YYYYY portions?
    Ok I've gone back to the Schneider electric website and found this description:

    Flush covers have spring-loaded interior trim for automatic flush adjustment


    Here is a ink to where I found that information . It is on page 10.
    http://static.schneider-electric.us/...1100CT0501.pdf

    So XXXX = Interior Trim and YYYYY = Flush Cover

    So:
    ""A potion of the pin mechanism connecting the Interior Trim to the Flush Cover is missing, and the Interior Trim is not properly connected to the Flush Cover at their lower attachment point."


    Hope This helps

    Last edited by ken horak; 02-20-2012 at 02:55 PM.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    2,797

    Default Re: Deadfront Terminology Question

    Thanks! (I'm a just *bit* obsessive-compulsive about knowing the "right" names for the things I report...)

    Michael Thomas
    Paragon Property Services Inc., Chicago IL
    http://paragoninspects.com

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •