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    Default ISLAND NON GFCI OUTLET

    hey all

    doesn't this outlet have to be gfci protected--because you can plug a counter appliance into it and it is within six feet of sink

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    Default Re: ISLAND NON GFCI OUTLET

    All receptacles that serve the countertop surface require GFCI protection in a kitchen and it has nothing to do with it's proximity to the sink. Could it be a feed through from some other GFCI device or breaker?


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    Default Re: ISLAND NON GFCI OUTLET

    Outlets that serve a counter top are to be GFCI protected.
    I consider that an outlet that serves the counter top, so yes.

    ' correct a wise man and you gain a friend... correct a fool and he'll bloody your nose'.

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    Default Re: ISLAND NON GFCI OUTLET

    outlet did not trip a breaker when tested--you told me just what i thought

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    Default Re: ISLAND NON GFCI OUTLET

    Quote Originally Posted by CHARLIE VAN FLEET View Post
    and it is within six feet of sink
    Forget the 'within 6 feet of the kitchen sink' part as that went out in 1987 as I recall.

    It is still 'within 6 feet of' a laundry or wet bar sink, though.

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    Default Re: ISLAND NON GFCI OUTLET

    Quote Originally Posted by CHARLIE VAN FLEET View Post
    outlet did not trip a breaker when tested--you told me just what i thought

    thanks

    cvf
    Was this a GFI breaker? If not the 3 light tester would not trip a regular breaker.

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    Default Re: ISLAND NON GFCI OUTLET

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    Forget the 'within 6 feet of the kitchen sink' part as that went out in 1987 as I recall.

    It is still 'within 6 feet of' a laundry or wet bar sink, though.
    I'm remembering it differently.

    1987 first requirement for GFCI protection for residential kitchen above-the-countertop receptacles within 6' of kitchen sinks.

    1990 expanded requirement to all receptacles within a 6' arc of residential kitchen sinks (above & below countertops).

    1993 added residential wet bar sinks, food prep, and similar areas, requiring protection and for the same 6' arc.

    1993 First requirement that any receptacle requiring GFCI protection presently, must be provided with gfci protection when replaced.

    1996 requirement that all residential kitchen countertop receptacles be GFCI protected, not just those within 6' of a kitchen sink. Kitchen countertop circuits no longer allowed to share an outside outlet.

    I'm quite sure that 1987 didn't require all kitchen countertop receptacles be gfci protected. I don't recall the 1984 NEC requiring any gfci protection for the residential kitchen.

    Last edited by H.G. Watson, Sr.; 04-10-2012 at 08:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.G. Watson, Sr. View Post
    I'm remembering it differently.
    It would probably have helped if I had taken the time to look at my GFCI chart page ... because memory is not always the best thing to rely on ... especially when my GFCI chart is so easy to access.

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