Results 1 to 14 of 14
  1. #1
    Mike Huppi's Avatar
    Mike Huppi Guest

    Default Sewage ejection pump-GFCI?

    Is a GFCI required for a sewage pump in a crawl space. I can not find an answer.

    Similar Threads:
    Inspection Referral SOC

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Spring Hill (Nashville), TN
    Posts
    5,829

    Default Re: Sewage ejection pump-GFCI?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Huppi View Post
    Is a GFCI required for a sewage pump in a crawl space. I can not find an answer.
    No it should not be on a GFCI. It trips and the crawl space will then become a cesspool.

    Scott Patterson, ACI
    Spring Hill, TN
    www.traceinspections.com

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Posts
    1,217

    Default Re: Sewage ejection pump-GFCI?

    I agree with Scott. The ejector pump should have a dedicated, non-GFCI-protected outlet.

    "Baseball is like church. Many attend but few understand." Leo Durocher
    Bruce Breedlove
    www.avaloninspection.com

  4. #4
    Mike Huppi's Avatar
    Mike Huppi Guest

    Default Re: Sewage ejection pump-GFCI?

    OK thanks


  5. #5
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Ormond Beach, Florida
    Posts
    25,317

    Default Re: Sewage ejection pump-GFCI?

    It *IS REQUIRED* to be on a GFCI.

    The way to solve that problem is to relocate it out from being *in* the crawlspace.

    There *IS NO REASON* to *NOT* have it on a GFCI when it is in the crawlspace .... IT IS REQUIRED to be protected. Would you want to go into the crawlspace and die because it was not GFCI protected?

    You don't arbitrarily decide 'not to' have it GFCI protected, you say 'Yes, it IS REQUIRED to have GFCI protection if you leave it in the crawlspace, however, being as you do not want it to shut off in the crawlspace because of the GFCI tripping, you will need to locate it outside the crawlspace.'

    Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
    Construction Litigation Consultants, LLC ( www.ConstructionLitigationConsultants.com )
    www.AskCodeMan.com

  6. #6
    David Banks's Avatar
    David Banks Guest

    Default Re: Sewage ejection pump-GFCI?

    Jerry. What about a sump pump?
    Dave


  7. #7
    dick whitfield's Avatar
    dick whitfield Guest

    Default Re: Sewage ejection pump-GFCI?

    It is my opinion that as long as the receptacle is a single receptacle installed for the pump it does not have to be GFCI protected.

    In the event your local code folks insist, you could install a 120 volt twist lock receptacle or a 240 volt pump to eliminate the need for a GFCI circuit.


  8. #8
    Tim Moreira's Avatar
    Tim Moreira Guest

    Default Re: Sewage ejection pump-GFCI?

    Yes, see end of other thread.

    According to the NEC, if the receptacle is in the crawl space, it needs to be a GFCI.

    There were no exceptions on useage in the NEC. (as I myself found out from Jerry's post and a re-read of the code)


  9. #9
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Ormond Beach, Florida
    Posts
    25,317

    Default Re: Sewage ejection pump-GFCI?

    Quote Originally Posted by dick whitfield View Post
    In the event your local code folks insist, you could install a 120 volt twist lock receptacle or a 240 volt pump to eliminate the need for a GFCI circuit.
    Nope, that won't eliminate the GFCI requirement for a receptacle in the crawlspace.

    If it is 15 or 20 amp, 120 volt, it is required to have GFCI protection.
    - (A) Dwelling Units. All 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere receptacles installed in the locations specified in (1) through (8) shall have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.
    - - (4) Crawl spaces at or below grade level

    No exceptions.

    Now, if the sump pump is 240 volts, have at it with no GFCI protection.

    Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
    Construction Litigation Consultants, LLC ( www.ConstructionLitigationConsultants.com )
    www.AskCodeMan.com

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    South-West Michigan
    Posts
    469

    Post Re: Sewage ejection pump-GFCI?

    I realize this is an older post, but the answer may not be quite as simple as GFCI or non-GFCI. Is the tank sealed or not? Is the installation classified as a hazardous location by NFPA guidelines? Is the outlet in the tank or outside of the tank? Is the circuit dedicated? It must be installed safely, and it should installed to prevent nuisance problems.

    Randall Aldering GHI BAOM MSM
    Housesmithe Inspection
    www.housesmithe.com

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Connecticut
    Posts
    1,822

    Default Re: Sewage ejection pump-GFCI?

    So is installation of a GFCI breaker at the panel a simple solution? Rather than move the Pump.


  12. #12
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Spring Hill (Nashville), TN
    Posts
    5,829

    Default Re: Sewage ejection pump-GFCI?

    Quote Originally Posted by wayne soper View Post
    So is installation of a GFCI breaker at the panel a simple solution? Rather than move the Pump.
    The GFCI can still trip and then you will have a mess. This is one of those times that common sense and codes conflict.

    Scott Patterson, ACI
    Spring Hill, TN
    www.traceinspections.com

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Ormond Beach, Florida
    Posts
    25,317

    Default Re: Sewage ejection pump-GFCI?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Patterson View Post
    This is one of those times that common sense and codes conflict.
    No, this is one of those situations where common sense should prevail and ...

    1) Don't put the pump in the crawlspace. (common sense option 1 - no GFCI protection needed)

    2) Don't use a cord and plug connected pump. (common sense option 2 - permanently wired pumps do not require GFCI protection)

    I agree with Scott in that "common sense" should prevail, but not at the expense of safety when "common sense" was not used to begin with.

    Either correct it so "common sense" works out, or go with safety.

    Would you rather have:

    a) sewage in the crawlspace

    b) a dead body in the crawlspace

    Answer a) is the BEST answer ... and the correct answer.

    The code, being MINIMUM safety, is the starting point, not the goal. Once at the starting point, the goal becomes common sense: either 1) or 2) above.

    "Common sense" really ain't that hard, folks.

    Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
    Construction Litigation Consultants, LLC ( www.ConstructionLitigationConsultants.com )
    www.AskCodeMan.com

  14. #14
    Mike Huppi's Avatar
    Mike Huppi Guest

    Default Re: Sewage ejection pump-GFCI?

    Every pump that I look at has a label that says it should be on a GFCI so thats the what I put down.


Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •