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    It appears the wires were short so they were lugged and lengthened as well as downsized in gauge. The smalled gauge wire is 10 gauge and appropriate for the breaker. But im not sure about the lug, is that okay?

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    It's OK to have connections inside the box.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cory nystul View Post
    It appears the wires were short so they were lugged and lengthened as well as downsized in gauge. The smalled gauge wire is 10 gauge and appropriate for the breaker. But im not sure about the lug, is that okay?

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    Those look like a barrel splice under the tape. If the size range and materials are compatible there should be no issues. Wire nuts are not the only approved connectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Port View Post
    Those look like a barrel splice under the tape. If the size range and materials are compatible there should be no issues. Wire nuts are not the only approved connectors.
    Gosh,

    I've never seen Square Barrel connectors.
    *but yes there are other approved methods

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    It is not a Lug under that tape - This is what it looks to be under that tape
    It is a mechanical connection as opposed to a crimped one




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    Thanks for adding the pic and the confirmation Jack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Port View Post
    Those look like a barrel splice under the tape. If the size range and materials are compatible there should be no issues. Wire nuts are not the only approved connectors.
    Jim,

    No comment on the tape and taping?

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    Other than a sloppy job? Hard to tell without seeing all surfaces are wrapped and a voltage rated tape was used I don't how much more could be said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post

    No comment on the tape and taping?
    The tape they sell in the big box stores that won't even stick to itself has the same UL sticker on it that the 3M stuff does. With that in mind maybe the NEC's next move should be requiring zip ties to hold the tape on.

    Or, UL could get real about testing tape as it's meant to be used. I've taped overhead connections 20+ years ago with the good stuff and it's still intact, while the cheap stuff sometimes won't even stay stuck to itself on the roll - try using it when it's under 40 deg. outside...

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    Oh, oh; not another tape or not to tape thread ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymond Wand View Post
    Oh, oh; not another tape or not to tape thread ...
    No, just a comment on the "testing" that must go on for the all important seal of approval.

    If I had done the splice there would have been shrink sleeve involved though.

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    Default Re: extended wire in box?

    I thought the question was if connections were allowed inside the box?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jack davenport View Post
    It is not a Lug under that tape - This is what it looks to be under that tape
    It is a mechanical connection as opposed to a crimped one

    Wow!!

    You can tell that from the op's picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Feldmann View Post
    I thought the question was if connections were allowed inside the box?
    Jack,

    That was the question, but that question is not a "Yes" or "No" answer as it depends on the type of connection made as to whether it is allowed in the panel - no, just any connection is not allowed ... or ... yes, but not just any connection is allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Stephens View Post
    You can tell that from the op's picture.
    That is what it looked like it was to me too ... and, no ... I'm not telling you what my numbers are, but I can tell you what your numbers are - losing numbers - and that means there will be nothing to split ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Stephens View Post
    * Do tell what are my ticket numbers ( we'll split it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post

    ... and, no ... I'm not telling you what my numbers are, but I can tell you what your numbers are - losing numbers - and that means there will be nothing to split ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Stephens View Post
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    Just a realist who recognizes that my non-winning streak will be kept intact too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    Just a realist who recognizes that my non-winning streak will be kept intact too.
    So you thought you'd Just Share that streak With Me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Stephens View Post
    Wow!!

    You can tell that from the op's picture.
    Yes I can tell that from the picture. If you look at closely you can see the screws, you can also see that it is square and the approx. the same length.

    I also have experience using that type of terminal connection so experience also comes into play.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jack davenport View Post
    Yes I can tell that from the picture. If you look at closely you can see the screws, you can also see that it is square and the approx. the same length.

    I also have experience using that type of terminal connection so experience also comes into play.
    So you be guessing.
    *that really is all

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    The connection style is fine but the insulation methods (taping) are questionable.

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