Thread: extended wire in box?

It appears the wires were short so they were lugged and lengthened as well as downsized in gauge. The smalled gauge wire is 10 gauge and appropriate for the breaker. But im not sure about the lug, is that okay?

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It's OK to have connections inside the box.

Originally Posted by cory nystul

It appears the wires were short so they were lugged and lengthened as well as downsized in gauge. The smalled gauge wire is 10 gauge and appropriate for the breaker. But im not sure about the lug, is that okay?

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Improper " lugged" and taped connectors in Service panel .
#wire nuts are an approved method.

Those look like a barrel splice under the tape. If the size range and materials are compatible there should be no issues. Wire nuts are not the only approved connectors.

Originally Posted by Jim Port

Those look like a barrel splice under the tape. If the size range and materials are compatible there should be no issues. Wire nuts are not the only approved connectors.

Gosh,

I've never seen Square Barrel connectors.
*but yes there are other approved methods

It is not a Lug under that tape - This is what it looks to be under that tape
It is a mechanical connection as opposed to a crimped one

Thanks for adding the pic and the confirmation Jack.

Originally Posted by Jim Port

Those look like a barrel splice under the tape. If the size range and materials are compatible there should be no issues. Wire nuts are not the only approved connectors.

Jim,

No comment on the tape and taping?

Other than a sloppy job? Hard to tell without seeing all surfaces are wrapped and a voltage rated tape was used I don't how much more could be said.

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

No comment on the tape and taping?

The tape they sell in the big box stores that won't even stick to itself has the same UL sticker on it that the 3M stuff does. With that in mind maybe the NEC's next move should be requiring zip ties to hold the tape on.

Or, UL could get real about testing tape as it's meant to be used. I've taped overhead connections 20+ years ago with the good stuff and it's still intact, while the cheap stuff sometimes won't even stay stuck to itself on the roll - try using it when it's under 40 deg. outside...

Oh, oh; not another tape or not to tape thread ...

Originally Posted by Raymond Wand

Oh, oh; not another tape or not to tape thread ...

No, just a comment on the "testing" that must go on for the all important seal of approval.

If I had done the splice there would have been shrink sleeve involved though.

I thought the question was if connections were allowed inside the box?

Originally Posted by jack davenport

It is not a Lug under that tape - This is what it looks to be under that tape
It is a mechanical connection as opposed to a crimped one

Wow!!

You can tell that from the op's picture.
* Do tell what are my ticket numbers ( we'll split it)

Originally Posted by Jack Feldmann

I thought the question was if connections were allowed inside the box?

Jack,

That was the question, but that question is not a "Yes" or "No" answer as it depends on the type of connection made as to whether it is allowed in the panel - no, just any connection is not allowed ... or ... yes, but not just any connection is allowed.

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Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

You can tell that from the op's picture.

That is what it looked like it was to me too ... and, no ... I'm not telling you what my numbers are, but I can tell you what your numbers are - losing numbers - and that means there will be nothing to split ...

Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

* Do tell what are my ticket numbers ( we'll split it)

8-67-53-09

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

... and, no ... I'm not telling you what my numbers are, but I can tell you what your numbers are - losing numbers - and that means there will be nothing to split ...

Man You just be a Dream Killer.

Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

Man You just be a Dream Killer.

Just a realist who recognizes that my non-winning streak will be kept intact too.

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Just a realist who recognizes that my non-winning streak will be kept intact too.

So you thought you'd Just Share that streak With Me.

Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

Wow!!

You can tell that from the op's picture.

Yes I can tell that from the picture. If you look at closely you can see the screws, you can also see that it is square and the approx. the same length.

I also have experience using that type of terminal connection so experience also comes into play.

Originally Posted by jack davenport

Yes I can tell that from the picture. If you look at closely you can see the screws, you can also see that it is square and the approx. the same length.

I also have experience using that type of terminal connection so experience also comes into play.

So you be guessing.
*that really is all

The connection style is fine but the insulation methods (taping) are questionable.