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    Default Another fuse panel to kick around

    Check it out. 100 amp cartridge fuses, with a nice disconnect switch and the correct fuses installed, 1960 house.

    What's your comment to the client?

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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    Did you really have to ask?

    I would inform client to check with insurance company for coverage if the fusing, wiring and everything else is okay.


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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    Multiple neutrals under a terminal
    Bare copper ground does not look like it's connected.
    At the top of the right fuse block, looks like there is an unfused wire connected to the feed.

    ' correct a wise man and you gain a friend... correct a fool and he'll bloody your nose'.

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    The multiples were allowed IMO. Otherwise the label would prohibit it, I think.

    The bare ground is a bonding conductor for something no longer there, loops around, yes, end not terminated, but secured to the box with a cable clamp.

    I did call for the panel grounding to be checked, for reason of the picture below, abandoned water pipe, still in use as the grounding rod.

    But what about the 100 amp fuse panel service?

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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    Quote Originally Posted by John Kogel View Post

    But what about the 100 amp fuse panel service?
    Life style issue 100 amps was fine in 1960.
    *Maybe not so much in 2014.

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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    The 100 amp is now the minimum recommended service for my area by electrical authority fwiw.


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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    Changing peoples view of the world one panel at a time...............


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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    Can say that they have not had many problems since there are only two newer fuses installed. The glass ones are harder to come by in recent years and could be original.


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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Sorrells View Post
    Can say that they have not had many problems since there are only two newer fuses installed. The glass ones are harder to come by in recent years and could be original.
    Fuses are not hard to find ( photo could indicate a stock pile of replacements are kept on hand whilst resupply is headed in on FEDEX Truck.)

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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    Those are 20's. For the correct 15 amp fuse, he'd have to go to HD.

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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    Quote Originally Posted by John Kogel View Post
    Those are 20's. For the correct 15 amp fuse, he'd have to go to HD.

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    Gary Likes 20's.
    * you saying 20's don't go in Every Slot?

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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Stephens View Post
    Gary Likes 20's.
    * you saying 20's don't go in Every Slot?

    Actually I like 30's much better. They take a licking and keep on ticking and ticking and ticking....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Sorrells View Post
    Actually I like 30's much better. They take a licking and keep on ticking and ticking and ticking....
    But these are Mo Shiny!!!

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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    How's this?
    " Because a replacement fuse will cost you $6 plus tax, and you have jars and piggy banks full of pennies, to avoid the temptation to use them as fuses, I recommend you spend those pennies on a new breaker panel for safety."

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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Abram View Post
    Billy
    Article 220 of theNational Electrical Code lays out the primary requirements for performing load calculations that are necessary for determining the size of a residential service.

    The calculations are based on the expected loads present in a dwelling unit, along with appropriate demand factors that are used to account for the diversity of electrical use by occupants.


    The load calculation worksheets are available online ..
    Thanks Jim,

    I'll let you determine ALL the Correct Loads.
    *some are Larger than others.

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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    Quote Originally Posted by John Kogel View Post
    How's this?
    " Because a replacement fuse will cost you $6 plus tax, and you have jars and piggy banks full of pennies, to avoid the temptation to use them as fuses, I recommend you spend those pennies on a new breaker panel for safety."

    Then you can spend $3.50 and put in a 20 amp breaker on that 14/2 circuit or better yet a 30 amp breaker for the same money and not have that pesky resetting all of the time.


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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    If the house does not have need for many circuits, then I would tell them that the panel is functional and probably safer than many old circuit breaker panels. Unless their insurance company or mortgage company requires it to be replaced, then not an immediate need. I do recommend replacing the fuses with Type S fuses.


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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Reinmiller View Post
    I do recommend replacing the fuses with Type S fuses.
    That is one of the very very few retroactive sections in the NEC - any evidence of oversize fusing - removing the Edison base fuses and replacing them with the Type S Safe-T-Fuse adapters and fuses is required.

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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Stephens View Post
    Fuses are not hard to find ( photo could indicate a stock pile of replacements are kept on hand whilst resupply is headed in on FEDEX Truck.)

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    Default Re: Another fuse panel to kick around

    Going back to John's OP, I would advise the client to call his Insurance Agent to confirm my opinion that the house would not pass a 4 Point Inspection (in Florida) and in all likelihood the panel would need to be changed out.


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