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    Electrical white tape around neutral wire.
    Do you write it or not?
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    Default Re: Electrical tape

    This is just another method of marking the neutral. You see all the time in commercial electrical panels.

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    Nope.

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    Default Re: Electrical tape

    Also nope.

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    Must be "permanently" marked.

    I don't see a main disconnect.
    Is this the service entrance panel?
    if it's downstream, the neutrals and grounds are on the same bar.....

    Top left breaker.... is that insulation scorched?

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    Default Re: Electrical tape

    I thought that the "permanently marked" aspect was for a white wire coded as a conductor, not for a black wire coded as the grounded conductor.

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    2006 IRC
    E3307.1 Grounded conductors.
    Insulated grounded conductors
    of sizes 6 AWGor smaller shall be identified by a continuous
    white or gray outer finish or by three continuous white
    stripes on other than green insulation along the entire length of
    the conductors. Conductors of sizes larger than 6AWGshall be
    identified either by a continuous white or gray outer finish or
    by three continuous white stripes on other than green insulation
    along its entire length or at the time of installation by a distinctive
    white or gray marking at its terminations. This marking

    shall encircle the conductor or insulation.

    E.3307.2
    ..............Equipment grounding conductors larger than 6 AWG that
    are not identified as required for conductors of sizes 6 AWG
    and smaller shall, at the time of installation, be permanently
    identified as an equipment grounding conductor at each end
    and at every point where the conductor is accessible, except
    where such conductors are bare.


    I might be wrong.... and... I am no electician.... and.... I might have mis-interpreted... but... from what I'm reading.. It needs to be permanently marked.

    Question is.... what is permanent?
    tape? paint?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Robinson View Post
    I thought that the "permanently marked" aspect was for a white wire coded as a conductor, not for a black wire coded as the grounded conductor.
    Correct. If the white tape comes off, you suspect it is 'hot', and thus would typically treat it with a greater level of safety than you would a neutral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor DaGraca View Post

    2006 IRC
    E3307.1 Grounded conductors.
    ...
    Conductors of sizes larger than 6AWG shall be

    identified either by a continuous white or gray outer finish or
    by three continuous white stripes on other than green insulation
    along its entire length or at the time of installation by a distinctive
    white or gray marking at its terminations. This marking
    shall encircle the conductor or insulation.



    The above covers neutral (grounded) conductors.


    Question is.... what is permanent?
    tape? paint?

    Tape is not permanent, paint is, however, with neutral conductors larger than 6 AWG have the option to be white or have those markings around its ends at the terminations. And that is not needed to be permanent.

    Now, using a white conductor for a hot (ungrounded) conductor, that is different, and that is where the "permanent" part, and the "by painting" part, comes in.

    The easy way to remember this is: If the tape comes off, is the insulation color going to make it 'less safe' to handle? If white tape comes off black or red, no, it will not be 'less safe', so that is okay. However, if black or red tape comes off a white conductor, that would be 'less safe' as you might think it is a grounded neutral when it is really an ungrounded hot.


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    Ha-ha!

    I see what you may have been referring to ...

    Not the neutral conductor, but to the untaped white conductors at the breakers ... ???

    THOSE - those would require permanent re-identification 'by painting' ... tape is not good enough for those (and either no attempt was made to re-identify those or the tape has already fallen off.

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    Jerry:
    Wouldn't the cable in the picture (with white tape) be considered a grounded conductor?
    after all, the neutrals and grounds are "bonded" by being attached to the same bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor DaGraca View Post
    Jerry:
    Wouldn't the cable in the picture (with white tape) be considered a grounded conductor?
    Yes. And that is why it is okay (it is also larger than a #6 AWG).

    If it were an ungrounded conductor, it would not be okay - which is what I was pointing out about the white conductors going to the breakers.

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    I know that the whites going to the breakers "shall be" permanently identified as conductors.

    I have yet to see it done though........... not even tape..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor DaGraca View Post
    I know that the whites going to the breakers "shall be" permanently identified as conductors.

    I have yet to see it done though........... not even tape..........

    I know what you mean victor, as a fairly new EI for my county, I am running into this on just about every final that I do. "Well the old inspector didn't make us do it that way", the code is the code, I didn't write it but I get paid to enforce it.


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