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    Default Secondary Panel Issue ?

    Does the AKA sub-panel secondary panel still require the neutral and grounds be separated even when the panel its mounted up against to main service panel ???

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    Yes.

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    [QUOTE=Jerry Peck;276922]Yes.

    Says I need at least 5 characters ... "Yes." is only four ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    Yes.
    Wait, you're not going to give him the whole "Service Equipment vs. Panel" lecture.

    Ok, fine.

    Sam,

    There is no "main panel" in the NEC. There is "service equipment". This is where the main disconnect lives and the only place (well, except at the transformer) where grounded (neutral) and equipment grounding conductors are bonded together. Everywhere else, they are required to be isolated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist View Post
    Wait, you're not going to give him the whole "Service Equipment vs. Panel" lecture.

    Ok, fine.

    Sam,

    There is no "main panel" in the NEC. There is "service equipment". This is where the main disconnect lives and the only place (well, except at the transformer) where grounded (neutral) and equipment grounding conductors are bonded together. Everywhere else, they are required to be isolated.
    oh come on give me a break. I said Main Service Panel


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Morris View Post
    oh come on give me a break. I said Main Service Panel
    Actually, I did give you a break.

    This is what you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Morris View Post
    Does the AKA sub-panel secondary panel still require the neutral and grounds be separated ...
    Gunnar was simply pointing out what I usually do - that there are only two types of electrical panels:
    1) "service equipment" panels
    2) 'other than service equipment' panels.

    And then Gunnar pointed out that the neutral is only bonded to ground at "service equipment" panels.

    My short "Yes." was because you were asking about the electrical panel which was 'next to' the "service equipment" panel ... meaning that the panel in question "was not" THE "service equipment" panel ... but you insisted on calling it by a term you should forget.

    If you had forgotten that term, then you would think in terms of "service equipment" and "NOT service equipment" ... and likely would have recognized that the neutral is only bonded to ground in "service equipment" panels ... thereby answering your own question while taking the photos ... "NOT service equipment" means the "neutral is NOT bonded to ground".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    Actually, I did give you a break.

    This is what you said:



    Gunnar was simply pointing out what I usually do - that there are only two types of electrical panels:
    1) "service equipment" panels
    2) 'other than service equipment' panels.

    And then Gunnar pointed out that the neutral is only bonded to ground at "service equipment" panels.

    My short "Yes." was because you were asking about the electrical panel which was 'next to' the "service equipment" panel ... meaning that the panel in question "was not" THE "service equipment" panel ... but you insisted on calling it by a term you should forget.

    If you had forgotten that term, then you would think in terms of "service equipment" and "NOT service equipment" ... and likely would have recognized that the neutral is only bonded to ground in "service equipment" panels ... thereby answering your own question while taking the photos ... "NOT service equipment" means the "neutral is NOT bonded to ground".
    I'm sure this will not be the last time you have to explain the difference LOL


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    I love these discussions!

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