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    Default Fan/light over shower

    Is it safe or legal to install a fan/light directly over a shower?
    I inspected a 50+ year old house today with these installed in two baths.

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    Default Re: Fan/light over shower

    looks like old style broan fan you must look at specs for that fan. here are the specs for the newer type broan fan note it requires gfci protection when over a shower.
    Fan/Light
    Model QTRE080FLT
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    • Nearly silent operation 0.8 Sones
    • 80 CFM
    • 4” ducting
    • ENERGY STAR® qualified and Title 24 Compliant
    • Bright 42W fluorescent lighting – bulb included
    • 4W nightlight
    (bulb sold separately)
    • Motor engineered for continuous operation
    • UL Listed for use over tub/shower with GFCI circuit
    • Hanger bars for Easy, Fast and Universal installation in all types of construction

    Housing Dimension: 10-1/2" x 11-3/8" x 7-5/8"- Fits 2" x 8" construction

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    Energy Efficient solutions in traditional designs. A bath fan needn't call attention to itself, especially when you don't want it to overpower the design of your bath or powder room. More important, it shouldn't call attention to itself on your electric bill. So we developed the QTRE line for energy efficiency in the high-traffic bathroom, and for those who seek a fan with a more traditional design. It simply does its job quietly, in every sense of the word.

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    Default Re: Fan/light over shower

    Thanks, Paul.
    That's good info.

    I can add some of this to my report.


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    Default Re: Fan/light over shower

    This might help

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    Default Re: Fan/light over shower

    Scott, can you share where this drawing came from? Curious...

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    Default Re: Fan/light over shower

    Thanks, Scott.
    I saw this in another thread earlier.
    Does that mean that you should never have a fan/light fixture less than 8 feet from the rim of a tub or shower?
    I'm looking for a hard rule here.


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    Default Re: Fan/light over shower

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Smith View Post
    Scott, can you share where this drawing came from? Curious...

    gs
    I really don't know. Douglas Hansen sent it to me many years back. I'm going to guess that it is from Code Check, but I don't know for sure. I have seen it posted several times over the years on various discussion boards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Edwards View Post
    Thanks, Scott.
    I saw this in another thread earlier.
    Does that mean that you should never have a fan/light fixture less than 8 feet from the rim of a tub or shower?
    I'm looking for a hard rule here.
    Yes, that is what it is saying, 8' is the rule. Recessed lights that are designed for wet locations may be allowed by some AHJ's under the 8'. The idea or intent is to have them out of the reach of a normal person.

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    Default Re: Fan/light over shower

    Thanks again for the help, Scott.
    NC-ASHI has Doug and Peter Drenan coming to Greensboro in October for CE training again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Edwards View Post
    Does that mean that you should never have a fan/light fixture less than 8 feet from the rim of a tub or shower?
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Patterson View Post
    Yes, that is what it is saying, 8' is the rule.
    No, that is not what it is saying.

    Notice the note at the "Surface-mounted or recessed luminaire) which states "(acceptable within or above the zone)".

    That means that "surface mounted" "or", as in 'and/or', "recessed" - either one ... is allowed "within" that zone, "or", as in 'and/or', "above" that zone.

    Here is the 2008 NEC wording on it. (underlining and bold are mine)
    - 410.10 Luminaires in Specific Locations.
    - - (D) Bathtub and Shower Areas. No parts of cord-connected luminaires, chain-, cable-, or cord-suspended luminaires, lighting track, pendants, or ceiling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900 mm (3 ft) horizontally and 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the space directly over the tub or shower stall. Luminaires located within the actual outside dimension of the bathtub or shower to a height of 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower threshold shall be marked for damp locations, or marked for wet locations where subject to shower spray.

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    Default Re: Fan/light over shower

    So, is a globe light fixture on the "yea" or the "nay" list?
    How about a dome light?

    ' correct a wise man and you gain a friend... correct a fool and he'll bloody your nose'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Cantrell View Post
    So, is a globe light fixture on the "yea" or the "nay" list?
    How about a dome light?
    Rick,

    If it is not: "cord-connected luminaires, chain-, cable-, or cord-suspended" and is not "lighting track," or " pendants," or " ceiling-suspended (paddle) fans ", then it is okay.

    That leaves "surface mounted" and "recessed".

    You could have a 6" globe in a fitter/base which is "surface mounted" and that would be acceptable. If that same (nearly same) 6" globe where mounted from a track or was 'hanging' by some means (cord/chain/cable/etc.), then ... No, it would not be acceptable.

    A "recessed" exhaust fan/light is "recessed" and is acceptable *if* it complies with its own installation instructions, which may allow it if damp location rated, and, as in the case of those allowable exhaust fans, if also GFCI protected.

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    Default Re: Fan/light over shower

    Thanks, Jerry and Scott.
    I think I got it.
    The code wording and diagram helps a lot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    No, that is not what it is saying.

    Notice the note at the "Surface-mounted or recessed luminaire) which states "(acceptable within or above the zone)".

    That means that "surface mounted" "or", as in 'and/or', "recessed" - either one ... is allowed "within" that zone, "or", as in 'and/or', "above" that zone.

    Here is the 2008 NEC wording on it. (underlining and bold are mine)
    - 410.10 Luminaires in Specific Locations.
    - - (D) Bathtub and Shower Areas. No parts of cord-connected luminaires, chain-, cable-, or cord-suspended luminaires, lighting track, pendants, or ceiling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900 mm (3 ft) horizontally and 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the space directly over the tub or shower stall. Luminaires located within the actual outside dimension of the bathtub or shower to a height of 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower threshold shall be marked for damp locations, or marked for wet locations where subject to shower spray.
    I think that is what I said in my reply. Granted, it was in fewer words.

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    Default Re: Fan/light over shower

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Edwards View Post
    Does that mean that you should never have a fan/light fixture less than 8 feet from the rim of a tub or shower?
    That was his question, and is from what you quoted him as asking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Patterson View Post
    Yes, that is what it is saying, 8' is the rule.
    That was your answer, the first part of it. And, no, that is not what it is saying. Which is what I said.

    I believe there is a difference, a big difference, between 'Yes' and 'No'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Patterson View Post
    I think that is what I said in my reply.
    Scott,

    I believe you now see what I responded as I did, there is a big difference between 'Yes' and 'No'.

    Right?

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