appliance garage outlet - InspectionNews

Alan Harris · #1 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 05:32 AM

The permit inspector for a kitchen renovation I'm involved did not approve the 110 V duplex outlet inside the appliance garage. He claims that the outlet must be visible with the appliance garage door closed. Is this really a code requirement?

Rick Cantrell · #2 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 05:42 AM

Just speculating.
The IRC requires 2 outlets (on separate circuits) for kitchen counter-tops. That is in addition to any outlets that are for dedicated use. The inspector may consider that outlet to be dedicated use.

Vern Heiler · #3 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 05:46 AM

Does the refrigerator or microwave outlet have to visible?

Rick Cantrell · #4 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 05:46 AM

Also there must be an outlet within 2' of all points on the counter-top. If the outlet is concealed the inspector might not count it as meeting this requirement.

Rick Cantrell · #5 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 05:51 AM

"Does the refrigerator or microwave outlet have to visible?"

Well, yes and no.
The outlets must be assessable for the appliance, but the outlets can be hidden behind the appliance, when the appliance is in place.

Vern Heiler · #6 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Cantrell

"Does the refrigerator or microwave outlet have to visible?"

Well, yes and no.
The outlets must be assessable for the appliance, but the outlets can be hidden behind the appliance, when the appliance is in place.

Most of the microwave outlets I see are inside the wall cabinet above the microwave.

Richard Pultar · #7 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 06:23 AM

ask the permit inspector ? for the code section ,
or ask his boss to tell him to give it to him so he can give it to you.
Or just do what the nut wants and move on .

fritzkelly · #8 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 06:36 AM

Take the door off and replace when he leaves.

Rollie Meyers · #9 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 06:39 AM

The appliance garage receptacle(s) do not count for the required countertop receptacles, but if they were trying to make it be part of them, is where I see a problem.

Ray Norton · #10 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 07:14 AM

NEC 210.52(C)(5) clarifies that a receptacle outlet in an appliance garage is not considered as one of the required countertop receptacle outlets.

John Steinke · #11 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 07:55 AM

Canadian rules differ from US rules on this point. My answer is based upon the NEC, or "American Rules."

You can have receptacles inside an apppliance garage, but they do not count towards meeting the requirement for receptacles serving the countertop. Depending on the specific arrangement, this could very well mean that you would also need a receptacle right next to, or directly over, such a garage.

ken horak · #12 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 05:06 PM

Confront the inspector as a professional and request the code article he is using to make his/her ruling.

The appliance garage is treated just like a cabinet. It does not count toward the required counter top outlet. It does not need to be visable with the door closed. Does the microwave outlet in an upper cabinet need to be visable with the cabinet door closed? What about the disposal / dishwasher receptacle under the sink ?

Jerry Peck · #13 (**permalink**) 11-02-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Harris

The permit inspector for a kitchen renovation I'm involved did not approve the 110 V duplex outlet inside the appliance garage. He claims that the outlet must be visible with the appliance garage door closed. Is this really a code requirement?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollie Meyers

The appliance garage receptacle(s) do not count for the required countertop receptacles, but if they were trying to make it be part of them, is where I see a problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ken horak

Confront the inspector as a professional and request the code article he is using to make his/her ruling.

The appliance garage is treated just like a cabinet. It does not count toward the required counter top outlet. It does not need to be visable with the door closed. Does the microwave outlet in an upper cabinet need to be visable with the cabinet door closed? What about the disposal / dishwasher receptacle under the sink ?

I think that when the inspector re-reads the code he will see where that is not required to be exposed ... as long as what Rollie referred to is not what he is applying - that you have ANOTHER receptacle to count for that wall space ... if you do not have ANOTHER receptacle to count for that wall space, then the inspector is correct.

Do this: measure from the appliance garage side to the nearest OTHER receptacle to the right - is that other receptacle within 24" horizontally along the wall line of the cabinet? If so, you would be okay to the right, so measure to the left, and if so again, you would be okay to the left too.

If you do not have ANOTHER receptacle within 24" to the right AND to the left, then you do have a problem.