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04-03-2007, 08:35 PM
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smoke alarms wired together
Does anyone know what year that hardwired detectors had to alarm together when tested?
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Tony
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04-03-2007, 11:03 PM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
Anthony,
I was not aware of this requirement so I looked it up in the 03 IRC.
Learned something new today. Thank you. Bold is mine.
[F] R313.1 Smoke alarms.
Smoke alarms shall be installed in the following locations:
1. In each sleeping room.
2. Outside each separate sleeping area in the immediate vicinity of the bedrooms.
3. On each additional story of the dwelling, including basements but not including crawl spaces and uninhabitable attics. In dwellings or dwelling units with split levels and without an intervening door between the adjacent levels, a smoke alarm installed on the upper level shall suffice for the adjacent lower level provided that the lower level is less than one full story below the upper level.
When more than one smoke alarm is required to be installed within an individual dwelling unit the alarm devices shall be interconnected in such a manner that the actuation of one alarm will activate all of the alarms in the individual unit. The alarm shall be clearly audible in all bedrooms over background noise levels with all intervening doors closed.
All smoke alarms shall be listed and installed in accordance with the provisions of this code and the household fire warning equipment provisions of NFPA 72.
That's the great thing about this board. You always learn something by someone else's questions.
Thanks again. Sorry I don't know the answer to when this took place.
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04-04-2007, 07:03 AM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
This was a requirement in the 1995 CABO, One and Two Family Dwelling Code.
316.1 Smoke detectors required. Smoke detectors shal be installed in each sleeping room, outside of each separate sleeping aras in the immediate vicinity of the bedrooms and on each additional story of the dwelling, including basements and cellars but ont including crawl spaces and uninhabitable attics. In dwellings or dwelling units with split levels, a smoke detector need be installed only on the upper level, provided the lower level is less than one full story below the upper level, except that if there is a door between levels, then a detector is required on each level. All detectors shall be interconnected such that the actuation of one alarm will actuate all the alarms in the induvidual unit and shall provide an alarm which will be audible in all sleeping areas. All detectors shall be approved and listed and shall be installed in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions.
This requirement has been on the books for quite some time... not new.
Richard
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04-04-2007, 07:34 AM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
I want to say that this requirement was from the early 90's and 1992 seems to stick out in my mind. It also seemed that this was an NEC change.
Buster
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04-04-2007, 08:43 AM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
As I don't test smoke alarms, I really don't know but others do. In every single inspection (except for new homes) I recommend that the alarms should be replaced. A couple of reasons;
1. We have no way to tell if the sensitivity of the alarm has been impacted by the environment of the home. ie. Smoking, grease from cooking, dust and dirt, etc.
2. Smoke alarms wear out. They have an average lifespan of 7 years +- a few years! They are too cheap not to replace.
A question for those of you that test smoke alarms to see if they are wired in series to activate at the same time:
How do you check each alarm to make sure that it is setting off all of the other ones? My home has 7 smoke alarms in it. It is physically impossible for one person to check all 7 alarms in my home. Even when my wife and I tried we could not make it to all of the alarms before the reset and turned off.
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04-04-2007, 09:41 AM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
If you are going to test hard-wired alarms, make sure that they are not connected to an active alarm system - otherwise you may end up paying the "response fee".
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04-04-2007, 12:09 PM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
The NC SOP requires we inspect smoke alarms so....... do you test or just note that there?? Seems to inspect means alittle more than noting.... but how much more?
Tony
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04-04-2007, 12:23 PM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
Originally Posted by Richard Rushing
This was a requirement in the 1995 CABO, One and Two Family Dwelling Code.
Richard
What I have on my hands is a 1992 2 story. Alarms are hardwired but are not activating each other. So with 1992 do I call it?
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04-04-2007, 02:53 PM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
I just went back and re-read the ASHI standards on this. Haven't read them in a while, but surprisingly they do not require testing, only reporting of absence of smoke detectors.
ASHI Standards as of copyright 1-1-00
7.1 The Inspector Shall:
C: Report
2: on the absence of smoke detectors
Now we all know that standards like codes are the minimum crappiest you can inspect to. 
Last edited by Tim Moreira : 04-04-2007 at 02:55 PM.
Reason: left out copyright date
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04-04-2007, 06:33 PM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
Yea I saw that in the ASHI standards but it seems that NC is going out of its way to make us climb more ladders...
.1110 ELECTRICAL
(a) The home inspector shall inspect:
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(8) Smoke Detectors.
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So I'm assuming that we are to test
Tony
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04-04-2007, 06:40 PM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
Originally Posted by Anthony Alderman
Yea I saw that in the ASHI standards but it seems that NC is going out of its way to make us climb more ladders...
.1110 ELECTRICAL
(a) The home inspector shall inspect:
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(8) Smoke Detectors.
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So I'm assuming that we are to test
Tony
Well, that could also mean to inspect for their presence or lack of.
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04-04-2007, 06:56 PM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
You may be right but if you look at in the context of the whole paragraph
.1110 ELECTRICAL
(a) The home inspector shall inspect:
(1) Service entrance conductors;
(2) Service equipment, grounding equipment, main overcurrent device, and main and distribution panels;
(3) Amperage and voltage ratings of the service;
(4) Branch circuit conductors, their overcurrent devices, and the compatibility of their ampacities;
(5) The operation of a representative number of installed ceiling fans, lighting fixtures, switches and receptacles located inside the house, garage, and on the dwelling’s exterior walls;
(6) The polarity and grounding of all receptacles within six feet of interior plumbing fixtures, and all receptacles in the garage or carport, and on the exterior of inspected structures;
(7) The operation of ground fault circuit interrupters; and
(8) Smoke detectors.
(b) The home inspector shall describe:
(1) Service amperage and voltage;
(2) Service entry conductor materials;
(3) The service type as being overhead or underground; and
(4) The location of main and distribution panels.
it comes afterchecking celing fans , light switches, polarity, grounding, GFCI's all of which have to be activated, so I think that the assumption would be that the smoke detector should be too.
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04-04-2007, 07:25 PM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
I would definately identify the smoke detectors as providing an audible sound (note-- I did not say functional), then let your client know that it is preferable to have the smoke detectors electronically tied-together in the event of a fire, which provides the same amount of time for ALL occupants as opposed to some folks in the home having to wait until a good deal of the home is engulfed in flames until the far-side detectors activate.
Smoke detectors should be installed in all bedrooms and the hallways leading to the bedrooms as well as all levels of the home. If they are not... they are "In Need of Repair", even if they provide an audible sound.
This is on every one of my reports:
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Smoke detectors are not inspected for the detection of smoke. They are inspected for an audible alarm only.
If you have a stand-alone smoke detector system (not electronically tied-together in a series) it is my recommendation that you should consider replacing the smoke detectors after move in unless you know the absolute age. If the detectors are 7 years or older-- replacement is recommended.
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Richard
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04-04-2007, 07:30 PM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
Thanks Richard
I like the straight forward verbiage. To the point and covers the bases.
Tony
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04-04-2007, 08:57 PM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
It's interesting to see the wide range of opinions on this and similar older threads on this topic.
Richard suggests the following: "If you have a stand-alone smoke detector system (not electronically tied-together in a series) it is my recommendation that you should consider replacing the smoke detectors after move in unless you know the absolute age. If the detectors are 7 years or older-- replacement is recommended."
Richard, I like the statement but am wondering: Do you determine, for your client, the type of system (i.e., is stand-alone vs tied-together)?
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04-04-2007, 09:46 PM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
Originally Posted by Philip Desmarais
Richard, I like the statement but am wondering: Do you determine, for your client, the type of system (i.e., is stand-alone vs tied-together)?
Nope... the only thing I determine is the cost of the inspection.
Rich
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04-06-2007, 10:16 AM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
Originally Posted by Anthony Alderman
You may be right but if you look at in the context of the whole paragraph
.1110 ELECTRICAL
(a) The home inspector shall inspect:
(1) Service entrance conductors;
(2) Service equipment, grounding equipment, main overcurrent device, and main and distribution panels;
(3) Amperage and voltage ratings of the service;
(4) Branch circuit conductors, their overcurrent devices, and the compatibility of their ampacities;
(5) The operation of a representative number of installed ceiling fans, lighting fixtures, switches and receptacles located inside the house, garage, and on the dwelling’s exterior walls;
(6) The polarity and grounding of all receptacles within six feet of interior plumbing fixtures, and all receptacles in the garage or carport, and on the exterior of inspected structures;
(7) The operation of ground fault circuit interrupters; and
(8) Smoke detectors.
(b) The home inspector shall describe:
(1) Service amperage and voltage;
(2) Service entry conductor materials;
(3) The service type as being overhead or underground; and
(4) The location of main and distribution panels.
it comes afterchecking celing fans , light switches, polarity, grounding, GFCI's all of which have to be activated, so I think that the assumption would be that the smoke detector should be too.
Do you "test" the following items you are required to inspect?
- (1) Service entrance conductors;
- (2) Service equipment, grounding equipment, main overcurrent device, and main and distribution panels;
- (3) Amperage and voltage ratings of the service;
- (4) Branch circuit conductors, their overcurrent devices, and the compatibility of their ampacities;
- (8) Smoke detectors.
Note that the following are to be *tested* as they state "operation" or 'implies' "operation" by stating "the polarity and grounding of":
- (5) The operation of a representative number of installed ceiling fans, lighting fixtures, switches and receptacles located inside the house, garage, and on the dwelling’s exterior walls;
- (6) The polarity and grounding of all receptacles within six feet of interior plumbing fixtures, and all receptacles in the garage or carport, and on the exterior of inspected structures;
- (7) The operation of ground fault circuit interrupters; and
Note that "(8) Smoke detectors." does not state or imply "operation", just "inspect".
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04-09-2007, 11:10 AM
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Re: smoke alarms wired together
Anthony,
Sorry to come in late in this discusion, but you need to scroll down just a bit farther in the SOP to .1110 (d). This was at the top of the next page when you copied from the Standards. We are required to operate the test functions of smoke alarms. In newer construction this is pretty easy, I just set off one in the upstairs hall and listen. If it is a larger home I may have to do this more than once, but that is usually no problem.
If you do your inspection according to the SOP you are afforded at least some legal protection, but adding some verbiage such as Richard's is a very good idea.
To the best of my knowledge, linking smoke detectors together has only been required in NC since January 2000.
.1110 ELECTRICAL
(a) The home inspector shall inspect:
(1) Service entrance conductors;
(2) Service equipment, grounding equipment, main overcurrent device, and main and distribution panels;
(3) Amperage and voltage ratings of the service;
(4) Branch circuit conductors, their overcurrent devices, and the compatibility of their ampacities;
(5) The operation of a representative number of installed ceiling fans, lighting fixtures, switches and receptacles located inside the house, garage, and on the dwelling’s exterior walls;
(6) The polarity and grounding of all receptacles within six feet of interior plumbing fixtures, and all receptacles in the garage or carport, and on the exterior of inspected structures;
(7) The operation of ground fault circuit interrupters; and
(8) Smoke detectors.
(b) The home inspector shall describe:
(1) Service amperage and voltage;
(2) Service entry conductor materials;
(3) The service type as being overhead or underground; and
(4) The location of main and distribution panels.
(c) The home inspector shall report the presence of any readily accessible single strand aluminum branch circuit wiring.
(d) The home inspector shall report on the presence or absence of smoke detectors, and operate their test function, if accessible, except when detectors are part of a central system.
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