Thread: War

Do you know that as of Sunday, at least 3,988 Americans have died in Iraq.
The British military has reported 175 deaths; Italy, 33; Ukraine, 18; Poland, 21; Bulgaria, 13; Spain, 11; Denmark, seven;

If you put all those lives together, see what you get.

When you really look at it, really look at it, it is madness at all levels.

GWB, the chicken-hawk who avoided Vietnam, has recently said he's envious of soldiers in Afghanistan and that their service there is "romantic".
There is nothing romantic about war. But there is something in human nature that keeps wars going. One of the most important books I've read is War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning by Chris Hedges. I think all presidents, especially if they have not been in a war, should be required to read this book.

I think all presidents, especially if they have not been in a war, should be required to read this book.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKiWWi8rdJQ

He's too busy reading Camus, if you believe that. He probably spells it Kamoo and writes it like this:

Kamoo

but only on days when Laura lets him have the big box of crayons . . .

Aaron

Why is it that we condone 210,000 (mostly American) deaths since the Iraq war began on March 20, 2003 while raggedly protesting the deaths of 3,988 troops in the Iraq War in the same time period

Where did these 210,000 people die you ask?? Why don't you already know where they died?


210,000 people died at this location in the last five years!

Are we really protesting in the right direction?

Erby:

Perhaps because the 3,988 were pointless and avoidable. Maybe some of the 210,000 could have been avoided through different laws or better enforement of those laws, who knows? Many were inadvertent. None of the 210,000 were a direct result of the lying bastard in the White House.

Aaron

Originally Posted by Erby Crofutt

Why is it that we condone 210,000 (mostly American) deaths since the Iraq war began on March 20, 2003 while raggedly protesting the deaths of 3,988 troops in the Iraq War in the same time period

Because the same number of people have been dying in vehicle accidents for over a decade (as confirmed in your linked article). Nothing seems to change that much.

THEN we get a cowboy president who wants to 'teach a lesson to the man who threatened my daddy' and we end up in a war, now 5 years old, in which more than one (1) ... yes, that's "more than one (1) ... died needlessly.

We could all drive cars built like tanks, but, then, none of us would be able to afford to drive, or like armies with tanks, the tanks would take each other out anyway.

*THAT WAR* is completely different.

Why not put up the numbers who die each year from cancer? Old age? Gun shots? Lightning strikes?

JP:

Amen.

Aaron

I may not be that happy about the war, and yes I wish we could get out and end the whole mess.
That said I support our president, I support our troops, and I glad the government is no longer in power in Iraq. Saddam Hussein was not even human and needed to be dethroned. Who else was going to do what America did?? and end mans inhumanity to man?
Just my opinion, and I respect yours.


Proud parent of a Marine

Originally Posted by Lee Nettnin

and end mans inhumanity to man?

You think the war ended "mans inhumanity to man"?

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

You think the war ended "mans inhumanity to man"?

One small piece of it!

Originally Posted by Lee Nettnin

One small piece of it!

????

Now, instead of one man going after 100,000, you've got 50,000 going after the other 50,000 ... with the US in the middle of them.

And in the meantime, the real enemy is getting away.
JLMathis

the real enemy is getting away

Quite impossible. The real enemy can never escape. He is us.

The real enemy is the ignorant SOB who votes for and supports a war mongering, empirical government. The real enemy is also the sorry SOB who knows this is happening but refuses to do anything about it.

The only reason the numbers of the soldiers sent to Iraq by "allies" are so small is that they only sent a small number of soldiers. Why? Because the citizens of the European nations from which they hailed had the sense to see this was a pointless war and they protested, mightily.

Support the bastards if you like, Lee. Continue in your ignorant rut. Whatever you do I sorely hope that your marine returns from this absolutely contrived war unharmed. Maybe he, after experiencing the horror and pointlessness of it, can lead you to the light.

Aaron

Originally Posted by Aaron Miller

Quite impossible. The real enemy can never escape. He is us.

The real enemy is the ignorant SOB who votes for and supports a war mongering, empirical government. The real enemy is also the sorry SOB who knows this is happening but refuses to do anything about it.

The only reason the numbers of the soldiers sent to Iraq by "allies" are so small is that they only sent a small number of soldiers. Why? Because the citizens of the European nations from which they hailed had the sense to see this was a pointless war and they protested, mightily.

Support the bastards if you like, Lee. Continue in your ignorant rut. Whatever you do I sorely hope that your marine returns from this absolutely contrived war unharmed. Maybe he, after experiencing the horror and pointlessness of it, can lead you to the light.

Aaron

Funny how the wars the USA gets involved in are not about conquest of land and people but the promotion of freedom in the world.

In a sense the enemy is us in that there are some who insist that if we leave them alone they will leave us alone.
History provides little support for their view.

If we don't defend freedom, who will?

If we don't defend freedom, who will?

A simplistic view, at best. A bird with its head in the sand - or another dark place.

To tout the benefits of freedom you must first understand what bondage is. It's a lot of things, but in this country it is:

(1) Citizens working more hours than in any in any other Western nation.
(2) Citizens taking less vacation than in any other Western nation.
(3) Citizens having less access to health care than in any other Western nation.
(4) Citizens having less access to education than in any other Western nation.
(5) Citizens having a shorter lifespan than in any other Western nation.
(6) CEO salaries higher than in any other Western nation.
(7) Employee salaries lower than in any other Western nation.
(8) Highest rate of homelessness of any Western nation.
(9) Veterans with access to less assistance than in any Western nation.
(10) Citizens most overtly religious than in any other Western nation.

You, my friend, are not free. You are currently in bondage. Wave all of the flags and eat all of your mom's apple pie that you like, you are so deep in denial that no pole will reach you.

Waking up is hard to do, but not impossible. Read. Think. Observe. Make changes.

Aaron

And, to the Hann in the Sky who likes posting ads here for John-let's-spend-the-next-100-years-in-Iraq-too-stupid-to-fart-and-chew-gum-McCain:

Aaron

Originally Posted by Aaron Miller

Waking up is hard to do, but not impossible. Read. Think. Observe. Make changes.

Aaron

I agree. Please heed your own advice.

Michael:

Pull your head out of that dark place and replace it with mom's pie. Better to see the flag waving.

Aaron

Originally Posted by Aaron Miller

Michael:

Pull your head out of that dark place and replace it with mom's pie. Better to see the flag waving.

Aaron

No need to be rude and crude Aaron unless you have no real argument that is.

Since your convinced we are not free in the USA.
Where are you planning to emigrate to?

Since your convinced we are not free in the USA.
Where are you planning to emigrate to?

It's a toss right now between Canada, Bulgaria and the Czech Republic. Too soon to tell. But, have no doubt that, in due time, I will leave this refuge of unthinking sheep, greedy corporations and backwater religion to settle in greener pastures.

I can't wait to be where this sort of conversation would not even come up.

Aaron

Originally Posted by Aaron Miller

It's a toss right now between Canada, Bulgaria and the Czech Republic. Too soon to tell. But, have no doubt that, in due time, I will leave this refuge of unthinking sheep, greedy corporations and backwater religion to settle in greener pastures.

I can't wait to be where this sort of conversation would not even come up.

Aaron

Don't let the door hit your backside on the way out. Socialists

Socialists

Michael:

Don't worry about me. I'll fare quite well away from the beck and cry of "praise the lord and pass the ammunition". Christian capitalists are a dime a dozen here in the "land of the free".

Don't let one of them hit you in the mouth when you've soon not enough money to drop in their collection plate . . .

Aaron

Originally Posted by Aaron Miller

Michael:

Don't worry about me. I'll fare quite well away from the beck and cry of "praise the lord and pass the ammunition". Christian capitalists are a dime a dozen here in the "land of the free".

Don't let one of them hit you in the mouth when you've soon not enough money to drop in their collection plate . . .

Aaron

Isn't freedom great?

You don't have to stay here if you don't like it.

Plenty of freedom lover's begging to get to the USA and replace you.

Plenty of freedom lover's begging to get to the USA and replace you

Perhaps, but just not the educated and productive ones you want. Sure, there are plenty of the unwashed from south of the border and elsewhere ready to join the ranks of the Republicans.

None of them will replace me.

Now, I'll leave you to say whatever you like. This thread is way too long. Send it to my personal address, so I can keep you in line there without the Hann's PC restrictions.

Aaron