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    Does anyone know what building code covers requirements for guardrail/ fall protection for high retainer walls on a golf course in Austin Texas area?
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    Default Re: guardrail protection for retainer wall

    I remember looking into this years ago and, unless it's on a walkway or similar, there's really no requirement. The fact that it's a commercial location may change things and it was awhile ago so my memory might be the greatest.

    In a residential code class I was taking I remember the teacher going off on a bit of a rant about this. Basically, that you could have a 50 foot dropoff at the back of a property and there's nothing in the code that makes it incorrect. A bad ides, yes. But not wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Fellman View Post
    I remember looking into this years ago and, unless it's on a walkway or similar, there's really no requirement. The fact that it's a commercial location may change things and it was awhile ago so my memory might be the greatest.

    In a residential code class I was taking I remember the teacher going off on a bit of a rant about this. Basically, that you could have a 50 foot dropoff at the back of a property and there's nothing in the code that makes it incorrect. A bad ides, yes. But not wrong.

    Used to be wrong in the old Standard Building Code and in the old South Florida Building Codes, but the IRC and IBC do not (as I recall) address that.

    If a "structure" was installed along that edge, then a guard would be required, a "concrete walkway" (sidewalk) is a "structure".

    The ADAAG address it only minimally and only on an accessible path, and even then it needs to be a ramp, and if not sloped to be a ramp, then it needs to be properly sloped, etc., gets complicated.

    Last edited by Jerry Peck; 04-09-2009 at 11:15 AM. Reason: added "If a "structure" was installed along that edge ... " part
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    Default Re: guardrail protection for retainer wall

    Is the retaining wall in the field of play or just on the property?

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    Default Re: guardrail protection for retainer wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Patterson View Post
    Is the retaining wall in the field of play or just on the property?

    Scott,

    On a "golf course" EVERYTHING is in the field of play.

    FORE!

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    Default Re: guardrail protection for retainer wall

    I've learned that even being in the rear yard or up on the roof of a home next to a golf course can be in the "field of play".

    As OJ used to say, "Look out!"

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    Default Re: guardrail protection for retainer wall

    I have never seen one stairway on any public course that is up to code.
    Railings included. "We who make the rules do not have to live by them" is what comes to mind!
    Now on a private course you may have some pull, but then you'de probably lose your membership.
    Unless you already fell off and broke your neck in which case you may be the new owner.


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    Default Re: guardrail protection for retainer wall

    It is required within 3 feet of a designated walkway, that's not classified as just any area where you can walk through. (unsure of the minimum height of the drop)
    That said it has to be a liability issue and a bad idea in a heavily trafficked public area not to have obstructions at the top of the wall such as railings or areas with heavy planting.
    Not required just sensible, i'll bet the insurance carrier would agree


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