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    I've never seen a patio cover installed in such a manner. Any comments on this type of construction would be appreciated. The structure has beams which are sitting directly on the roof covering. Over the top of this arbor (patio cover) was a metal roof which was level or had no slope for drainage.

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    looks like some rot or swelling on the ends.


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    No rot or swelling. Water staining was evident on the wooden beams.

    I questioning the span and the load on the roof structure.

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    Recommend further evaluation by engineer or local building official

    My xray vision is in the shop right now, but I would guess that there is no approved load bearing under the beams, setting above the roof framing member (truss, rafter, fascia board etc) does not count unless it was designed to support this load.
    You gotta like the notch around the gutter.
    Probably built with out a permit.

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    Looks like they saw it in a magazine and tried to mimic it.
    - I think the real load concern would be on the soffits. The beam should have no problem carrying the joist and tin roof load. Depending on how the soffits are framed, I could see them sagging over time at that end.
    - Shingle deterioration at and around the wood beam of course from movement and moisture retention.
    - The lack of outward slope really bothers me. Does it rain a lot there. In a hard rain I could see the patio cover acting as a collector and water running up under the main roof shingles.
    - I doubt the structure will fall down but in a high wind I could see it uplifting. Doesn't look like it's attached, just laying there.

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    Looks like a two stage DIY. They built the structure as a decorative shade arbor (which would not be right due to lacking structural support on top of shingles.) Then they decided that was not enough shelter and added the metal and a bad design just got worse.
    Rick, you need to revoke this guys Home Depot card!

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    Markus and Tim

    Your thoughts were mine exactly. Thanks for your input.

    I did find out this morning that no permits had been pulled for the patio cover. Go figure!

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    Jim,

    You should have seen the electrical wiring to the ceiling fan. Nice!

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    I'm with Jim on this one. They built it as a uncovered arbor, decided it sure would be nice if they put a cover on it to shade them better. Slapped some metal on it then though...hmmmmm it would be nice to have a breeze, so they installed a ceiling fan.

    Where the blades of the fan drooping yet?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Hurst View Post
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    Stupid is as stupid does?

    It does not matter whether was was originally built as an open arbor, it is completely wrong.

    Deconstruct it (remove it) and reconstruct it properly, with permits and inspections.

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    What's this 'permit' thing you guys keep talking about. All they do around here is hand over a fat little envelope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Keller View Post
    What's this 'permit' thing you guys keep talking about. All they do around here is hand over a fat little envelope.

    THAT *is* the "permit", it gives them "permission" to do whatever they want.

    I thought you knew that.

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    Structures like that are bound to attract tornadoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry McCarthy View Post
    Structures like that are bound to attract tornadoes.
    Only if attached to or within 300' of a mobil home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Luttrall View Post
    Only if attached to or within 300' of a mobil home.

    That IS a mobile roof, they just do not know it yet.

    If they think the NM cable tether tying the ceiling fan down is going to tie the entire roof down too, they are in for a surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Keller View Post
    All they do around here is hand over a fat little envelope.
    That's still going on? I thought once the senator got promoted and Blegoyovich got booted things would be more on the up and up.


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    Terrible thing those permits.
    Sorry Matt, our 'machine' keeps kicking out new scumbag politicians. An alderman just got busted last week. I'm still trying to figure out how a Zoning variance and $40K in rehab on the alderman's house by the guy seeking the Zoning change have anything to do with each other. Picky, picky IG

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    Building codes are only for the little people.


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    Markus, that thick envelope is a rod bagashit permit


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    Unfortunately it's many of my neighbors from the relevant part of the State that got him elected. You downstaters knew better.

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    Its a pergola built over the patio with a corrugated metal roof screwed on top. Never intended for a roof or that application.


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    $ 100 Bucks say the guy buys the home as is and never correct one thing in Ricks report

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    I'd wished that I would have taken that 100. bet.

    The buyer did request that the cracked window at the front of the house be repaired. Thats it!

    Everything else I told my client at the time of the inspection was passed over with the realtors making the comment of , "Now thats not a deal killer is it?" to my client.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Hurst View Post
    Everything else I told my client at the time of the inspection was passed over with the realtors making the comment of , "Now thats not a deal killer is it?" to my client.
    Rick,

    That is where you have forewarned your client and taught them to respond: "Nope, not to me, but you'd better ask the seller as I expect to have a credit for that repair cost."

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