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    Do you think someone could kill themselves? This door leads from the dining you to the backyard. The dining room is on the first floor and the home has a basement. The drop is about 10 feet.

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    That look's like a "juliette balcony"...

    ...Minus the railing.

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    Door must have barrier installed at the interior or exterior with the 4" rule, and childproof locks to prevent children opening. But you already knew that right?


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    The door might not need anything ... was the door operable? If not, i.e., the door was permanently secured closed, then it becomes nothing more than a non-operable window.

    Of course, that may no longer meet natural ventilation requirements.

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    Jerry, the door had a lock installed at the bottom of it where it slides on the frame. What do you think?


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    Is there a lock and a handle on the active panel?


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    Yes, there is a handle and a lock on the active panel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Stouffer View Post
    Jerry, the door had a lock installed at the bottom of it where it slides on the frame. What do you think?
    A lock is not permanently secured closed. Someone can unlock it a traipse out (and down).

    A trampoline under the door might be a good solution. Just bounce back up and in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Stouffer View Post
    Jerry, the door had a lock installed at the bottom of it where it slides on the frame. What do you think?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist View Post
    A lock is not permanently secured closed. Someone can unlock it a traipse out (and down).

    Gunnar is correct.

    "Permanently secured" closed would be with screws.

    Someone may argue that they could then remove the screws, and the response would be "Yes, they could remove ALL THE SCREWS and take the entire window or door out.", meaning that argument does not work, because if it did ALL windows would need protective bars ... in case someone removed the windows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Stouffer View Post
    Jerry, the door had a lock installed at the bottom of it where it slides on the frame. What do you think?
    Ryan, do you think a young child crawling on the floor could possibly trip the lock. You must look at all these types of situations as if.
    What would happen if the 3 stooges walked into the room.
    That way you look at worst case scenario's. Not just, Jerry, what do you think.
    The door can have a barrier installed on either side and STILL recommend childproof locks. That means above where anyone under 20 yrs old can't reach it.
    Leave it out and make the broker happy. Then you can install the barrier yourself in a couple of months and the broker still won't use you again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    Gunnar is correct.
    Umm... Thanks Jerry, but you said it first.

    So, Jerry is correct. (about me being correct, that is)

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