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    Default Re: Step off and Away-you-go!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    Jim,

    Yes, it is right in front of you ... in fact ... I will make it bold for you with ... (I dread having to bring out the colored crayons) ... red highlighting:
    Unless you are nimble like a goat and can go down to the center of the grade, or able to walk through the mulch and planting, it is difficult for an elderly person to get to the back yard."

    Jim ... can you read that ... "to get to the back yard" ... does not say anything about: "From the beginning, this thread has been about getting from the door to the street... "

    That is what you said, you can read it right there, now stop trying to redirect and misdirect everyone from what you incorrectly stated ... Jeeze, Jim, do you think everyone here is dumb and cannot read what you write?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Abram View Post
    The question from the beginning was the walkway between the houses that is in the picture.

    That has been the topic from the beginning.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Cantrell View Post
    but when I think someone is being contrary (perversely inclined to disagree),
    well then, there's nothing else for me to say.
    Rick,

    You are absolutely correct about that and I have to agree with you.

    We have been through this before, for what about 3-4 years? It has been peaceful the last 6 months or so without him or this.

    Now we have another person taking his place, only Watson actually had nuggets of knowledge in some of his posts (not saying it was enough to miss him and want the trouble he created back), just that, so far, Jim has shown none of the knowledge nuggets in his posts as they are just all him saying this is how it is required to be without any supporting and applicable documentation.

    The only problem about not replying to Jim is the same problem about not replying to Watson - if no one replies with the correct information, the misinformation is left there for everyone to read and think it may be correct ... a dilemma as to whether to reply to his posts or not ... that is for sure.

    I wonder if Brian can add a "Incorrect Information" button which could be checked instead of having to reply and keep him going? That way others would know to ignore those posts too.

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    Default Re: Step off and Away-you-go!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Abram View Post
    Rick and Jerry - This is what you are missing or ignoring.
    “Means of egress,” as defined by the IBC, ...
    Jim - This is what you are missing or ignoring.
    "Applicability" as in the IRC is applicable and the IBC is not applicable.

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    Default Re: Step off and Away-you-go!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Abram View Post

    Do you really think that there are no regulations regarding passage from the rear of a property?
    Yep!..
    * we been trying to tell you just that.

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    Default Re: Step off and Away-you-go!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Abram View Post
    Thanks Billy. for confirming that you do not understand the regulations especially when some are posted earlier in this thread .
    Wish as you might there are No Requirement for an Unobstructed Path to the Street from the rear of a Residence.

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    Default Re: Step off and Away-you-go!

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Stephens View Post
    Wish as you might there are No Requirement for an Unobstructed Path to the Street from the rear of a Residence.
    Billy,

    Jim is single-handedly turning Brian's very useful board into one full of useless misinformation and in trying to offset his posts with corrected information we are helping to turn the board into one which is no longer a good resource for information due to all the "fighting", yet if we do not continue to post corrected information then the board will become useless to anyone.

    That is the bad part of all of this ... and it is a shame that it is happening to Brian's up-until-now very useful board.

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    Default Re: Step off and Away-you-go!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Abram View Post
    Jerry - If you read through the posts ,you will find that there is little or no corrected information provided by you .
    Jim - you have yet again failed to read the posts and understand what you are reading, otherwise you would realize your statement above is incorrect.

    You see to focus on personal attacks instead of answering legitimate questions or proving information . It seems that you are the one "fighting".
    No personal attacks, Jim, just trying to help you understand your limitations and that you do not understand what "applicability" means ... all I am doing is seeing the obvious lack of you understanding and trying to point out ways to help you - it is your incessant continued posting of code which are not applicable that has created on long nightmarish thread, not only here in this thread, but in the other threads you have tried to take over and apply your non-applicable references to.

    Hopefully, Brian will step in and delete some posts before this chases readers away and creates a problem, until then, though, your continued non-applicable posts with incorrect information needs to be addressed and exposed for being non-applicable and incorrect information.

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    Default Re: Step off and Away-you-go!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Goeken View Post
    This is a new home in a 55+ community. The grade between the homes is designed to drain from the street in the front of the house, out the back to part of a lake. The distance from the house to the center of the drainage grade is 6'-0" and the drop from the top of the step is 1'-8".

    Unless you are nimble like a goat and can go down to the center of the grade, or able to walk through the mulch and planting, it is difficult for an elderly person to get to the back yard.

    My questions are, what guidelines or codes are applicable to this, and what violations, if any, exist?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Abram View Post
    Jerry - Your lack of understanding is astounding . There is a big world out there and the IRC is not the be all end all . Your obsession with the IRC is disturbing.
    Many areas regulate egress outside the buildings.
    For instance more documentation from NY

    MEANS OF EGRESS PMC 702.1 General. A safe, continuous and unobstructed path of
    travel shall be provided from any point in a building or structure to the
    public way. Means of egress shall comply with the Fire Code of New
    York State.

    This is not an IRC forum ,it is an inspection forum that is visited by people from many locations.You fail to realize that different places have different rules and I have posted many of them. You also fail to understand that if a component is not defined in the IRC it becomes subject to the other ICC codes. To state that there is no requirement for an egress to the street is simply absurd.
    What does this have to do with the OP from Florida's question? PMC Property Maintenance Code NY referenced to Fire Code of NY State.
    *So who is being absurd.

    Last edited by Billy Stephens; 03-16-2014 at 02:29 PM. Reason: NY State ref.s added
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