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    This is in the latest issue of Fine Homebuilding. This type of railing is becoming common around here, yet it seems to violate the codes. Not only could someone climb on the wire '"rails", but it seems like the wire strands could be flexed out to more than 4" spacing, allowing a child's head to become lodged in between. Do you guys call this out?



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    That's ridiculous. Those were obviously made for people who are more concerned with their views than safety. I'd flag that every time.


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    I'm seeing this type more often as well.

    I call them out as a potential safety hazard especially for small children.

    I also explain why they may be hazardous.

    The client can decide what's important to him/her.

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    I write them up and just let the purchaser know it is a safety concern for children.

    There is no code violation with the IRC.......


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    Hello All,

    I'm pretty sure the 2000 IRC was the last time the horizontal and "ladder effect" baluster issue was in the code.

    Here are two articles directly related to this matter you may find interesting.

    http://www.deckmagazine.com/pdf/2007/0707/0707edit.pdf

    http://www.deckmagazine.com/pdf/2007/0707/0707lett.pdf

    Best wishes,

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    Ditto Brandon Whitmore's comment.


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    From the letter defending using ladders for railings:

    "By their very nature, cable rails do not invite
    climbing because the thin cable is hard to grasp
    and stand on, and the material is flexible."

    Okay, *how* "flexible" are they? Enough to exceed the spacing requirement? If not, then they should not be described as being "flexible", but as being "taunt, making the cables semi-rigid".

    "Flexibility" is not wanted, desired, or even allowed there.

    "NOMMA maintains that the best way to maximize
    guard safety is to follow the current ICC
    codes, especially in regard to height, strength,
    and spacing between infill elements,"

    "maximize guard safety" by following a "minimum code", as all codes are?

    "and to never
    allow unattended children on balconies, porches,
    or stairs, regardless of the design."

    True, and the safety way to address small children around pools is " to never allow unattended children" around pools, however, it is also recognized that that alone is insufficient, leading to all kinds of child-resistant barriers to protect small children from themselves.

    The guard rail in-fill panel *is required* to meet this:

    From the 2006 IRC.
    - TABLE R301.5
    - - MINIMUM UNIFORMLY DISTRIBUTED LIVE LOADS
    - - - in pounds per square foot)
    - - - - Guardrails in–fill components
    - - - - - - f. Guard in-fill components (all those except the handrail), balusters and panel fillers shall be designed to withstand a horizontally applied normal load of 50 pounds on an area equal to 1 square foot. This load need not be assumed to act concurrently with any other live load requirement.

    That means that one could use a test device consisting of a 1 square foot backing plate, which covers 1 square foot of the guard infill panel, attach a 4" sphere anywhere in that backing plate area (center the sphere in the backing plate will make the device easier to handle), place the sphere between the cable rails, leaving the cable rails resting against the sides of the sphere, then apply a load of 50 pounds horizontally to that 1 square area plate, pressing it against that same 1 square foot area of the guard rail (the designers choice is to either make the guard rail solid or open, the 1 square foot area is the same for either), and, if the cable rails are "flexible" enough to allow the 4" sphere to slip through the guard rail, the guardrail fails.

    Let's do a little math:

    Guardrail section is 1 square foot.

    Cables are spaced 4" apart center-to-center.

    Cables are 3/8" (just pulling a number out of the air).

    That means we have:

    - | cable -----------------
    4"| 3-5/8" air space
    - | cable -----------------
    4" | 3-5/8" air space
    - | cable -----------------
    4" | 3-5/8" air space
    - | cable -----------------

    (that's 1 foot high by 1 foot wide)

    The cable "fill", from top to bottom
    3/16" (half the top cable)
    3/8"
    3/8"
    3/16" (half the bottom cable)
    9/8" or 1-1/8" "of cable height dimension" in that 1 linear foot of guardrail

    1-1/8" H x 12" L = 13-1/2 square inches of cable area in that 1 square foot guardrail area.

    13.5 square inches / 144 square inches = 9.375% of the area is *cable* and 90.625% of the area is *air*.

    Thus, the sphere is really pressing equally against 9.375% *cable* and 90.625% *air*.

    Being as *air* as little to no measurable resistance strength to the applied load in this test, *the cable* must be able to withstand *ALL* the applied load in that 1 square foot area being tested.

    Why one sphere?

    The designers will try to contend that one sphere is creating "point loading" and not a "uniformly distributed load", however, as stated above, it was *their choice* to make the rail either: 1) solid or 2) mostly air, and, if they chose to make the railing of "mostly air", they lose the ability to "discount that area consisting of air".

    Again, why one sphere?

    Because *ONE* 4" sphere represents the object trying to be rejected and not allowed to pass through ... a small child's head.

    Brandon Chew, looking forward to your response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    From the letter defending using ladders for railings:

    Again, why one sphere?

    Because *ONE* 4" sphere represents the object trying to be rejected and not allowed to pass through ... a small child's head..
    WOW ! That sure is a lot of calculatin' I'm thinking if I put that much thought into every detail of our inspection process, my inspections would take 2 days. If the cables were installed vertically no problem but that looks like an accident waiting to happen and should be reported.


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    In Ontario


    9.8.8.6. Design to Prevent Climbing
    (1) Guards required by Article 9.8.8.1., except those in industrial occupancies and where it can be shown that the location
    and size of openings do not represent a hazard, shall be designed so that no member, attachment or opening will facilitate
    climbing.
    (2) Guards shall be deemed to comply with Sentence (1) where any elements protruding from the vertical and located
    within the area between 140 mm and 900 mm above the floor or walking surface protected by the guard,
    (a) are located more than 450 mm horizontally and vertically from each other,
    (b) provide not more than 15 mm horizontal offset,
    (c) do not provide a toe-space more than 45 mm horizontally and 20 mm vertically, or
    (d) present more than a 1-in-2 slope on the offset


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    Wire railings are fine. Flag them on my jobsite and don't come back.

    What a difference between builders, designers and inspectors. My dad was an insurance guy and loved to worry about everything. Life is to be lived people. Get a life. Live and let live.

    More... Kid sticks head thru wire cause they flex... kid pulls head out too.. cause they flex! Also.. kid that young with no parent around to yell to? Where are the worry wort parents that hire worry wort inspectors?

    One thing all inspectors in my area miss... railings put up with sheetrock screws... that no way would hold with a 200 pound load applied to it. Now that is an issue to me as people do lean on railings lots and people today love to eat till they and their whole family weighs 200 pounds, 300 pounds, 400 pounds, 500 pounds, and up to 1000 pounds seems I saw on the news last week. Do any of our codes address the loads of having a family of 500 pound people holding a party for there 50 500 pound friends? No. If you all wanted to work toward solving problems.. tell me what we do about obesity and current codes? We could start rating chairs and floors and decks and stairs with weight limits and I think we should myself. I know someday I will see someone sit in a chair and then hit the floor.

    OK... just having some fun with thoughts... and... again.. I do like wire railings, glass railings, vinyl railings, PT railings... and do concern myself with the 200 pound rating.

    be nice... lets have fun.. as life is short! .. so what say you all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by adkjac View Post
    Wire railings are fine. Flag them on my jobsite and don't come back.

    What a difference between builders, designers and inspectors. My dad was an insurance guy and loved to worry about everything. Life is to be lived people. Get a life. Live and let live.

    More... Kid sticks head thru wire cause they flex... kid pulls head out too.. cause they flex! Also.. kid that young with no parent around to yell to? Where are the worry wort parents that hire worry wort inspectors?

    One thing all inspectors in my area miss... railings put up with sheetrock screws... that no way would hold with a 200 pound load applied to it. Now that is an issue to me as people do lean on railings lots and people today love to eat till they and their whole family weighs 200 pounds, 300 pounds, 400 pounds, 500 pounds, and up to 1000 pounds seems I saw on the news last week. Do any of our codes address the loads of having a family of 500 pound people holding a party for there 50 500 pound friends? No. If you all wanted to work toward solving problems.. tell me what we do about obesity and current codes? We could start rating chairs and floors and decks and stairs with weight limits and I think we should myself. I know someday I will see someone sit in a chair and then hit the floor.

    OK... just having some fun with thoughts... and... again.. I do like wire railings, glass railings, vinyl railings, PT railings... and do concern myself with the 200 pound rating.

    be nice... lets have fun.. as life is short! .. so what say you all?
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    My ex is an attorney... along with a good friend. It's the American idea of suing that sucks... Vengence... revenge... you hurt me instead of me hurt me...

    We need laws.. lawyers... but.. ouch.. it hurts to play with them on either side of an issue... It's nice to share their income though!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by adkjac View Post
    Wire railings are fine. Flag them on my jobsite and don't come back.

    What a difference between builders, designers and inspectors. My dad was an insurance guy and loved to worry about everything. Life is to be lived people. Get a life. Live and let live.
    "Live and let live."

    PRECISELY what we are trying to do ... "let live".

    More... Kid sticks head thru wire cause they flex... kid pulls head out too.. cause they flex! Also.. kid that young with no parent around to yell to? Where are the worry wort parents that hire worry wort inspectors?
    With an attitude like that, I can only imagine *all the other things* which you let slide by too.

    And what a shame. I would think you would like future generations around to purchase your stuff ... guess not.

    In my opinion, if the railing is blocking the view (as in that case) put up a friggin' glazed railing, makes it solid, no one can fall through, and there is nothing, not even wires, there to block ones view.

    Or, if you are worried about 'dew' or other condensation on the railing blocking your view, take the stupid railing down, walk out to the edge of the deck, then ... take another step ... your clients will like you better that way. Because you have proven the need for the railing.

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    Not letting a nice railing slide Jerry... I like safety that makes sense and I like artistic design. You sound like you have a bug up your butt and only look at codes... I like codes too Jerry but I have an independent ability to get myself through life and so do many of my customers. Yes codes protect the next owner of a custom home that may have dicey safety issues... Oh well... As the stock market is showing today with AIG... all risks can not be known... and some risk is what living entails and educated levels of higher risk may reap higher returns... may not too!

    Jerry... I loop airplanes... you may be the type that watches a guy like me at an airshow... good for you.. I am happy to be the guy doing the loops. And as safe as I can... not just doing one for the hell of it with no education.

    Be safe Jerry... I know you keep your customers safe... just realize that we all do no want to be perfectly safe... I would much rather die living life than of letting fear live me.

    Lastly... I do not know of anyone getting hurt with wire rails... but I bet you have let many wood railings go that were poorly fastened with sheetrock screws. It's the norm everywhere I look and being that I have tested such, I know the holding power is no good. Go flag those from now on and do your clients some good. And test some yourself. Seems you are into such.

    Peace Jerry... we are different. oh well.


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    Jerry... you seem to be a great inspector.. certainly have tons of quality info to share on the boards here.

    Lunchbreak over... you all enjoy the thread... I think my piece has been said and bet you all can finish this one without me.

    Peace


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    Quote Originally Posted by adkjac View Post
    Not letting a nice railing slide Jerry... I like safety that makes sense and I like artistic design.
    I also like artistic design.

    When it comes to artistic design *IN A DWELLING* (especially, or any occupied building, but specifically in a dwelling), if there is a conflict between safety and design, the design needs to accommodate safety.

    You sound like you have a bug up your butt and only look at codes...
    Nope, but that *IS* where things start ... er ... *are required to start*, from there, artistic design and better takes over.

    I like codes too Jerry but I have an independent ability to get myself through life and so do many of my customers.
    I particularly like you choice of words ... "many" of my customers ... we, as inspectors, are looking out for "all of your customers.

    There is, I am sure you will agree and appreciate, a difference between "many" and "all".

    Yes codes protect the next owner of a custom home that may have dicey safety issues...
    Right on target.

    Oh well... As the stock market is showing today with AIG... all risks can not be known...
    And code is not, cannot, protect against ... "all" risks ... code does, however, protect against known risks to minimum levels.

    Be safe Jerry... I know you keep your customers safe... just realize that we all do no want to be perfectly safe...
    Just realize that codes do not, and cannot, make you "perfectly safe", only "safe to a recognized minimum degree".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    From the letter defending using ladders for railings:

    "By their very nature, cable rails do not invite
    climbing because the thin cable is hard to grasp
    and stand on, and the material is flexible."

    Okay, *how* "flexible" are they? Enough to exceed the spacing requirement? If not, then they should not be described as being "flexible", but as being "taunt, making the cables semi-rigid".

    "Flexibility" is not wanted, desired, or even allowed there.

    "NOMMA maintains that the best way to maximize
    guard safety is to follow the current ICC
    codes, especially in regard to height, strength,
    and spacing between infill elements,"

    "maximize guard safety" by following a "minimum code", as all codes are?

    "and to never
    allow unattended children on balconies, porches,
    or stairs, regardless of the design."

    True, and the safety way to address small children around pools is " to never allow unattended children" around pools, however, it is also recognized that that alone is insufficient, leading to all kinds of child-resistant barriers to protect small children from themselves.

    The guard rail in-fill panel *is required* to meet this:

    From the 2006 IRC.
    - TABLE R301.5
    - - MINIMUM UNIFORMLY DISTRIBUTED LIVE LOADS
    - - - in pounds per square foot)
    - - - - Guardrails in–fill components
    - - - - - - f. Guard in-fill components (all those except the handrail), balusters and panel fillers shall be designed to withstand a horizontally applied normal load of 50 pounds on an area equal to 1 square foot. This load need not be assumed to act concurrently with any other live load requirement.

    That means that one could use a test device consisting of a 1 square foot backing plate, which covers 1 square foot of the guard infill panel, attach a 4" sphere anywhere in that backing plate area (center the sphere in the backing plate will make the device easier to handle), place the sphere between the cable rails, leaving the cable rails resting against the sides of the sphere, then apply a load of 50 pounds horizontally to that 1 square area plate, pressing it against that same 1 square foot area of the guard rail (the designers choice is to either make the guard rail solid or open, the 1 square foot area is the same for either), and, if the cable rails are "flexible" enough to allow the 4" sphere to slip through the guard rail, the guardrail fails.

    Let's do a little math:

    Guardrail section is 1 square foot.

    Cables are spaced 4" apart center-to-center.

    Cables are 3/8" (just pulling a number out of the air).

    That means we have:

    - | cable -----------------
    4"| 3-5/8" air space
    - | cable -----------------
    4" | 3-5/8" air space
    - | cable -----------------
    4" | 3-5/8" air space
    - | cable -----------------

    (that's 1 foot high by 1 foot wide)

    The cable "fill", from top to bottom
    3/16" (half the top cable)
    3/8"
    3/8"
    3/16" (half the bottom cable)
    9/8" or 1-1/8" "of cable height dimension" in that 1 linear foot of guardrail

    1-1/8" H x 12" L = 13-1/2 square inches of cable area in that 1 square foot guardrail area.

    13.5 square inches / 144 square inches = 9.375% of the area is *cable* and 90.625% of the area is *air*.

    Thus, the sphere is really pressing equally against 9.375% *cable* and 90.625% *air*.

    Being as *air* as little to no measurable resistance strength to the applied load in this test, *the cable* must be able to withstand *ALL* the applied load in that 1 square foot area being tested.

    Why one sphere?

    The designers will try to contend that one sphere is creating "point loading" and not a "uniformly distributed load", however, as stated above, it was *their choice* to make the rail either: 1) solid or 2) mostly air, and, if they chose to make the railing of "mostly air", they lose the ability to "discount that area consisting of air".

    Again, why one sphere?

    Because *ONE* 4" sphere represents the object trying to be rejected and not allowed to pass through ... a small child's head.

    Brandon Chew, looking forward to your response.

    No need for code, mathematics, or fancy testing devices when a little common sense is sufficient.

    Show any responsible parent of young children the photo of that guard and then ask them two simple questions:

    1) Would you leave your child unattended to play on that balcony? (yes I do mean unattended, and after the next question you'll know why ... ). Most will answer: "No Way! They could fall off."

    2) Have you ever been watching your child, then turn your back for just one minute to do something, and when you turn around again, the child is gone? ....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon Chew View Post
    No need for code, mathematics, or fancy testing devices when a little common sense is sufficient.

    Brandon,

    Therein lies the rub.

    As you can see from the above posts by some (unnamed by me) ... "common sense" is "uncommon", they would rather the little ones do loops on their way down (I guess).

    Code does not address "common sense", it can't, and never will. The only thing which can enforce "common sense" is a willing buyer becoming an willing non-buyer when the builder takes that stance.

    If the buyer is the one who insisted on that railing design, then there is no one with common sense to protect their children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adkjac View Post
    Wire railings are fine. Flag them on my jobsite and don't come back.
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    Boys.... you sure are extremists!

    The railing has the 4" spacing covered. There are railings all over my area that are just the two rails with no wires... and I haven't seen the paper full of articles from injuries and deaths. Haven't seen one article and haven't seen one railing upgraded. (I do not build such and do not advocate for them)

    I like the railing and am sure other responsible people do too. You inspector types that do not design specialty homes along a lake just aren't in a place where you can understand maybe? Families that I build for want the kids safe and want views. They most likely are able to manage more risks than you are? Their kids learn how to swim young and learn how to boat young, and learn how to not fall not climb up a railing and jump to the death young, and not put there hand on a hot burner, and to not drive the car without permission and how to tie there shoes...etc.

    sillyness.

    Yaa all have a job to do... and I guess that is to lean toward extreme safety verses personal responsibility. Yes... youngsters can be responsible if allowed and educated and set up to be!

    Feeding the flames here I know...

    Can't wait to have my post parsed line by line....

    Lawyers and inspectors and responsibility oh my...

    Get err done Jerry!


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    Billy...

    What kind of post is that? You won't be seeing me at some court in any near future. Get over yourself.

    I didn't design that railing system. I didn't put it up. and no one has been hurt.

    Do you live in cyber world?

    Worky work time for me... enjoy a day of posting and I will come back to laugh with or at yaa all tonight...

    peace..

    I think we are all getting a bit too serious and high on our horses here...

    I suggest we have a nice brew tonight and relax reponsibly and have a few laughs talking politics!


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    Quote Originally Posted by adkjac View Post
    Billy...

    What kind of post is that? You won't be seeing me at some court in any near future. Get over yourself.
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    I don't make the decisions for my clients on what is an acceptable risk ( verses aesthetic.)

    Do You ?

    Will their further Guests also feel " The View " would off set an injury to their child ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by adkjac View Post
    You inspector types that do not design specialty homes along a lake just aren't in a place where you can understand maybe? Families that I build for want the kids safe and want views.
    You want the view? I addressed that: "In my opinion, if the railing is blocking the view (as in that case) put up a friggin' glazed railing, makes it solid, no one can fall through, and there is nothing, not even wires, there to block ones view."

    NO COMPROMISE IN SAFETY, and no compromise in view, in fact, the "view" would be better than looking at those silly railings.

    I know, because there are many, many, many condos in South Florida with glazed railings, overlooking "the view" of the Atlantic Ocean, and no wires blocking it. Yet, no compromise in safety, the railing is "solid", no openings, yet you can actually "see through it".

    What a novel concept! "View" and "safety" combined.

    Their kids learn how to swim young and learn how to boat young, and learn how to not fall not climb up a railing and jump to the death young, and not put there hand on a hot burner, and to not drive the car without permission and how to tie there shoes...etc.[/quote]

    And, when they do fall over the railing, they know how to fly too? I suppose they must, otherwise they would Splat! on the ground, or maybe be impaled on a tree?

    Your slip ... er ... greed is showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adkjac View Post
    You won't be seeing me at some court in any near future. Get over yourself.

    I didn't design that railing system. I didn't put it up. and no one has been hurt.
    That phrase suits you well ... so far ... as in 'yet' ...

    You may not have "designed it", and you may not have "put it up", and maybe no one has been hurt ... "yet".

    Once someone is, you will find out that you, as the contractor (builder) in charge of the project (which is who you are implying you are) ... that you will suddenly not be Teflon coated and that stuff actually sticks to you.

    *YOU* pull the permit, *YOU* are responsible, in whole or in part, for the entire job. I say "in part" because you will likely be standing there with other defendants - the railing designer, the railing manufacturer, the railing installer, and everyone who touched it in any way along the way, including you, as the builder. You had your opportunity to warn your client of the potential dangers of it.

    Had you done so, and your client insisted on that railing, you actually may well walk away free, except for the attorney's fees to get you that far.

    Having not done so, and, in fact, encouraging a railing like that (the plaintiff's experts will find your defense of those railings right here ) and then you will be hung out to dry with the others.

    Your call, we cannot make you actually think about safety and ways to accommodate safety with design. All we can do is point out the OBVIOUS.

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    Visual Aid for The ( future ) Plaintiff.
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    OK.... an area that has a railing of any sort... could be climbed over... a chair next to a railing... a person or child that is tall enough, wanting enough.

    So... what to do... ahhh... a parent... a parent that works with their child as to life's dangers... that are everywhere, not just possibly this wire railing.


    And as you all want... just don't build railings with horizontal wires... gotcha...

    I feel I will be helping the world stay safe after today as I warn all not to get in cars, walk along rodes, ride bikes, use any power tools or screwdrivers or drywall knives, or kitchen knives... eat out... stoves are dangerous or just eat cold food. Do not heat your home or have electricity as both have caused millions to die... Cut down any tree near your home... they may fall in a storm.... wear shoes without shoelaces as you may trip on them someday...

    Get rid of you cell phones... radiation... your granite stone fireplace... radon... same with countertop... seal your cellar off and install radon removal systems... do not paint your home.... so there are zero VOC's... no carpets... Do not sand teak...have you guys ever sanded teak? wow... I did once... that was enough... closed up my throat... won't do that again without a good mask... so no teak sanding.

    I may wear my seatbelt tomorrow... starting to scare the heck out of myself just typing this post!

    OK... kidding... guys... really.. I am with the inspector's inspector high committee and was asked to test you all as to whether this railing was safe...

    You all passed... with A's... good job...

    9PM here... I am passing out mugs of my favorite brew!

    Cheers men.

    aj

    So... do any of you... have a sense of humor? (not about railings and death or safety.... just... in general!?)


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    Quote Originally Posted by adkjac View Post
    9PM here... I am passing out mugs of my favorite brew!

    So... do any of you... have a sense of humor? (not about railings and death or safety.... just... in general!?)

    I don't like your favorite brew.


    (Did you sense the humor?)

    Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
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    That's fine... let me know what you like... coffee, water... no problemo... I just had water with din din... as it is so good for my system... an IPA next.

    Cheers J
    aj


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    Add another one to the ignore list - CHECK!


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    found the checklist interesting...

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    Pre-Purchase Visual Physical Condition Report, (abridged for your convenience)
    Building's Location:address in Southeast Michigan
    Building's Era: 19XX
    Inspection date:XX / XX / XXXX
    Significantly deficient systems or components in need of immediate repair exceeding $1,000 and/or repairs for habitation, health, safety, etc. thought to impact your purchase decision.
    1) Major roof leak - Repair immediately. Have the extensive mold caused by the water damage professionally tested and remediated if needed, (potential allergen and health hazards may exist, note - the wood structural rot is minor). Call me if you have further questions. Photos #5, 6, &11
    2) Significant natural gas leak detected near meter. Immediately contact the utility company. Note that the utility company will shut off the natural gas to the home and require a licensed professional to make the necessary repair. The home will be without gas service until repaired, which means the furnace and water heater will not be operational until repaired and the house could freeze. Photo #17
    3) The exterior sheathing of the electrical service cable is dangerously worn through by the UV of the sun. Hire a licensed electrician to make the necessary repairs required by electrical code. Moisture has entered the electrical service panel through the damaged cable and has dangerously corroded the wire connections and one circuit breaker. Replace this cable, clean the connections, and replace any damaged circuit breakers at the direction of the electrician. The electrical panel may have further hidden corrosion and your electrician or city electrical inspector may require its replacement. (see replacement cost schedule). Photo #13
    4) Since you are going to be the landlord and rent this property, make all the safety repairs listed in the addendum pages. This will help protect your tenants as well as protect you from lawsuits. (Your inspector may be a helpful witness to fact regarding conditions at the time of the inspection.)
    5) Have the homeowner make the electronic air filter operational on the furnace as well as the humidifier before closing. The seller reported them both as operational on the Seller's Disclosure Statement. Photos #22, & 23
    6) The rear patio deck is not constructed strongly enough to safely carry the weight of occupants to the load level required by current building codes. Do not allow a large number of persons, (10 or more) to occupy the deck at one time until further support and building attachments are installed, as we discussed. (see repair cost schedule) Photos #41, 43, & 44
    7) The air conditioner is not cooling the air by 16 to 22 degrees. Its cooling ability is so low, (8 degrees), that damage and corrosion may have already occurred to the internal components. A simple coolant recharge may not be sufficient to assure continued operating life beyond one or two seasons. Note that a new air conditioner unit will be significantly more expensive to purchase since the government now requires high efficiency SEER 13 units to replace the older and less efficient SEER 8 and 10 units. (see replacement cost schedule) Photo #49
    8) Add an additional floor joist beside each of the cut joists observed in the basement ceiling to re-establish a strong and safe living room floor above. (see repair cost schedule) Photos #56, 57, & 58
    Systems or components near the end of their service lives within the next 0 to 5 years and are likely to require repair or replacement anytime soon. Costs and/or damage are expected to exceed $500. (furnaces, central air conditioners, roof, retaining walls, porch stoop, balustrades, etc. but excludes built-in or other household appliances).
    1) The furnace is very old and well beyond its' type and model's expected useful life. (see replacement cost schedule) It is also much less energy efficient than a newer unit. Photo #24
    2) The central air conditioner is very old and well beyond its' type and model's expected useful life. (see replacement cost schedule) Photo #25
    3) The exterior siding of the home shows signs of being near the end of its useful life and is one for which billions of dollars in lawsuits against the manufacturer have occurred. Unfortunately, lawsuit settlement funds are no longer available. (see replacement cost schedule) Photo #14
    4) The four mature ash trees in the rear of the home are dying or dead and will be costly to remove. Tree removal services will not be able to get their truck close enough to cut the trees from the safely of their truck's boom, so removal estimates will be higher. (see cost schedule) Photo 18, & 19
    5) The brick pavers are sinking and creating tripping hazards in the patio and walkways. (see cost schedule for cost of relaying several sections.) Photo #30
    6) The West grade of the yard needs to slope away from the foundation at one inch per foot for six feet. Currently, the grade slopes toward the foundation and the basement foundation wall cracks show an occasional leak that could result in a future flood. Further water proofing may be needed over the cracks if the simple grade slope adjustment does not correct the problem. The perimeter drain tile/piping system may also be nearing the end of its useful life and may need cleaning. Excessive erosion has occurred along side the foundation. The drain tile system has carried much of this soil away and might have built up an excessive amount in the drain pipe. A plumber needs to insert a camera to determine the extent of blockage and possible damage. (see cost schedule) Photo #31
    7) The diminished flow of "hot" water along with rust spots on the water distribution piping indicates that the galvanized water supply piping will need partial or full replacement soon. (see cost schedule) Photo #35
    Inspector: Jerry A. Lootens - Please call if you have any questions, 248-224-0258
    As you can see from the above report, the main report contains the information that most buyers need to know up front when buying a home. The information is concisely reported so you do not have to thumb through several pages to find it.
    The following 14 page Visual Inspection Opinion & Notes (Addendum Pages), is your custom list of the many smaller findings at your inspection. You want to know about these problems since having too many of them may affect your decision. These items are equally important to repair and correct, but they are not thought to individually impact your purchase decision, but you get to decide.

    A thorough inspection will report many small unsatisfactory conditions. Unique conditions encountered at your inspection are also reported to you by writing them in along with their details. No ordinary inspector performs this depth of professional service for you. Knowledge, experience, and love of duty and the profession is what you need in your inspector.
    Visual Inspection Opinion & Notes
    (abridged for your convenience)

    14 Addendum Pages - Items thought not to, in and of themselves, impact the purchase decision, but they are important to repair and correct - copyright 1999
    Address: __________________________________, Date: _____________ Building Era: _____
    Structural -
    __ install a diagonal 2 x4 brace at both gable ends of attic to prevent truss/roof racking.
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    __ evidence of water or moisture penetration at __ foundation walls / floor, __ floor/wall junction, __ drain back-up, __ efflorescence, __ stains, __ rod hole leak stains, __ insect debris, __ vapor stains along floor cracks indicating periodic raised moisture levels, __ loose floor tiles, __ stained floor tile joints, __ sever / slight moisture damage: ___________
    __horizontal crack in masonry foundation may move seasonally and could become significant.
    __ use a de-humidifier in basement or crawlspace to reduce summer moisture.
    __ repair separating stairway stringers
    __ patch or tuck point missing / cracked mortar between foundation masonry units or concrete cracks.
    __ secure support posts for their full length; Top and bottom and weld any loose connections between:
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Decks and porches:
    __ install additional deck support for: __ girders/beams, __ledger board; anticipated loads: __ maximum weight on deck, __ point loads all anticipated by building code.
    __ install additional fasteners or support under deck/porch beams/ girders since they poorly attached, i.e. attached to the sides of supporting posts, and are more likely to shear when fully loaded.
    __ The deck ledger board is attached to the house face brick and may possibly not be securely attached to the structure behind the brick.
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Garage:
    __ roof ridge sags and exterior wall tops bow outward.
    __ garage leans and needs to be straightened and wind bracing installed diagonally from the corner tops down to the bottom sill plates to prevent lean and racking.
    __ replace or repair the rotted sill plate(s), siding: ____________________
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Exterior -
    __ slope exterior grade at foundation: _____________________ , (clay soils, i.e. clean fill dirt prevents water penetration yet grass grows).
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Exterior: Driveways, Patios and Walkways:
    __ head injury hazard from low hanging awnings and air conditioning unit:
    __ fill in and level uneven surface next to walkways, driveways, and patios to prevent trip and fall hazards. Use firm fill in materials such as sod, clay or gravel.
    __ clean, fill and caulk cracks and joints between concrete flags/slabs. Clean and fill gaps over a ¼ inch deep with foam backer rod and caulk all joints.
    __ install foam backer rod in large joints and openings deeper than ¼ inch
    __ use asphalt patch and filler on asphalt drives and walkways.
    __ waterproof joint between the building foundation and: __ driveway, __ walkway, __ patio, __ porch, to prevent water penetration and the damage it does.
    call me if you have any questions, Jerry @###########
    Exterior: (continued) porches, patios, stairs and railings:-
    __ secure loose step at: ____________________
    __ sunken walkway / driveway surface: ____________________
    __ seal asphalt driveway and walkway to prevent water penetration and deterioration.
    __ tripping hazard: __ city sidewalk, __ front walkway, __ rear walkway, __driveway, __ front yard, __ rear yard, __ garage door threshold./ Use patching cement or asphalt patch to slope up to hazard, or cut, chip, fill, or remove or replace the dangerous area(s).
    __ rail below __ 36", __ 48" height for safety at: _________________________________
    __ install a 3’ high railing, safety wall, or balustrade beside: _________________________ stairway.
    __ strangulation hazard: balusters, spindles, and rail to floor spacing is 4" or wider.
    __ climb & fall hazard: balusters, spindles, and rails create an unsafe ladder for children.
    __ install riser boards behind each stair tread to prevent strangulation.
    __ install a 1" nose on each stair tread to prevent tripping at: ________________________
    __ steps are: __ too high, __ too low, __ unequal height risers: ________________________________
    __ install a secure and full length handrail on: __________________________________
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Other surfaces:
    __ aesthetic - broken seal(s) between window thermo panes
    __ head injury hazard from low hanging awning(s) and/or air conditioning unit(s):
    __ tuck point loose or cracked brick mortar at: ____________________
    __ seal rust or replace rusted metal lintel above doors & windows:___________________
    __ city sidewalk slabs/flags may be condemned in the coming years as trip hazards.
    __ water ponds on: __ city sidewalk, __ walkway, __ driveway, ____________________
    __ maintain and paint horizontal wood trim and sashes every three years to prevent rot.
    __ replace / repair rotted wood at: ____________________________________________
    __ repair/paint/glaze: __ window sills/sashes, __ storm windows, __ siding, __ trim, __ doors,
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    __ caulk window frames, chimney and siding.
    __ caulk or rebuild the crown/wash cap atop the chimney to prevent water damage.
    __ repair, prime and paint exterior chimney chase and its metal top sheathing, caulk as needed.
    __ trim trees and bushes away from roof and siding.
    __ remove tree at: __________________________________________________ ________
    __ have arborist inspect trees for viability, rot, & too tight "vee" crotches that split trunks.
    __ sunken or heaved walkway / driveway / garage surface: _____________________________________
    __ install vermin screens or moisture wicks in brickwork weep holes to prevent infestations
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    call me if you have any questions, Jerry 2############
    Roofing: -
    __ 4/12 or lower roof pitch without visible ice dam membrane or inappropriate application of roof shingles.
    __ house / garage: __ shingles, __ roof valleys are badly worn and need maintenance to extend useful life and prevent leaks.
    __ Repair as needed roof flashing or roof cement patching at: __ chimney, __ vent pipe.
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Gutters:
    __ loose nails. __ falling /sagging. __need sloping. __ need cleaning.
    __ missing: _______________________________________________.
    __ joints leak and need butyl or polyurethane caulking repair.
    __ extend downspouts. __ install splash blocks. __ move downspout: _________________
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Plumbing: -
    __ main valve missing, __ missing handle, _______________________________________________
    __ dishwasher drain hose needs to be elevated to top of underside of counter to prevent backflow from polluting cleaned dishware.
    __ water softener needs air space between its discharge pipe and the sanitary sewer drain to prevent backflow of polluted water from backing up into softener.
    __ copper to iron pipe connection missing di-electric unions to prevent corrosion.
    __________________ faucet: __leaks; __ likely worn washer, seat or stem/ball
    __________________ faucet: __leaks; __ likely worn washer, seat or stem/ball
    __________________ faucet: __leaks; __ likely worn washer, seat or stem/ball
    __ back flow preventer needed at: __ bibs/sill cock, ___ laundry tub, ______________
    __ reversed hot & cold supplies at: __ shower, __ lavatory, __ bath, __ laundry, ___________________
    __ install water hammer arrestors at washing machine water line connections.
    __ secure loose piping: __________________________________
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________
    call me if you have any questions, Jerry #########3##
    Plumbing -
    Water Heating Equipment:
    __ gurgling indicates sediment buildup in tank. Overheating usually leads to tank failure.
    __ missing temperature pressure relief valve, (TPR), explosion danger, scalding hazard.
    __ missing ¾" TPR discharge pipe terminating within 4" of floor (with unthreaded end).
    __ stuck / missing water shut-off / handle; __ stuck / missing gas shut-off / handle
    __ copper to iron pipe connection missing di-electric unions to prevent corrosion.
    __ missing unions require cutting water supply pipe to replace heater.
    __ set water temperature to 115 to 120 degrees F. Scalding may still occur due to water stratification.
    __ an upper and lower air vent is needed to supply combustion air to gas burning appliances per manuals.
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Drain, Waste, Vent Systems:
    __ loose toilet: ______________ subfloor or flange may be damaged. Possible unseen mold/rot growth.
    __ "S" trap may self siphon allowing sewer gas into home. __ missing trap allows sewer gas into home.
    __ determine and correct slow drainage at: ____________________
    __ secure two laundry tub legs to floor to prevent water and drain pipe vibration leaks.
    __ loose tile: __bathtub, __ shower, __________________________________
    __ re-grout tile: __bathtub, __ shower, __________________________________
    __ use clear penetrating grout sealer and reseal: bathtub, shower, or floor grout _____________
    __ apply proper colored silicone caulk at all 90 degree tile joints, especially where cracked.
    __ Cast iron drain pipe is corroding through.
    __ locate and expose floor drain under carpet.
    __ locate and expose all floor drains.
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Sump & Perimeter Drain System:
    __ create or secure lid or lockable access door to pit to avoid child injury or death.
    __ pump did not operate when tested. __________________________________________________ ___
    __ sump pumps into sanitary sewer, (May overload sewage treatment plant. City also pays by volume).
    __ gray water dumped into sump pit instead of into sewer
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Fuel piping system:
    __ stuck / missing water shut-off / handle
    __ prevent an open valve from causing an explosion, cap open end of gas pipe: _____________
    __ install only code allowed flexible piping to stove and laundry drier, (to allow for movement).
    __ gas appliances share ½" supply pipe which may cause gas exhaust danger at burners
    __ water fitting installed on gas line. May cause leakage, injury or fire.
    __ meter and/or gas piping exposed to potential vehicular damage.
    __ install gas shut-off valve in room at location of gas appliance.
    __ small gas leak: ____________________________________
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    call me if you have any questions, Jerry ############
    Electrical: -
    __ electrical service drop cables need replacement to prevent contact with live current. Electrical tape is not an allowed repair method, nor safe repair
    __ physically protect / secure service cables from impact or pulling, use clips, conduit, etc.
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Electrical panel: __ access obstructed, __ panel cover: __ missing, __ stuck, __ painted shut.
    __ pointed screws used to attach cover and may cause arcing and fire.
    __ missing __ screws to safely attach the panel cover to the service panel box.
    __ double tapped: __ circuit breaker, __ fuse block, __ panel lugs, (corrosion & fire may result).
    __ considered unsafe and dangerous by many experts the Federal Pacific Stab-Lok electrical service panel should be replaced with another manufacturer’s equipment.
    __ circuit breakers not of the panel’s manufacturer’s. Replace with allowable breakers.
    __ 120 volt circuit breaker not protected by a 240 volt breaker - (split buss): may cause electrocution or fire.
    __ install cable clamps at metal panel or box knockout holes to protect against abrasion damage.
    __ exterior ground rod requires an exterior acorn type cable clamp to minimize corrosion.
    __ missing #6 or #4 AWG ground wire @125 and 150Amps respectively to jump water meter
    __ electrical panel neutral Buss in not bonded, i.e. connected, to panel for safety
    __ telephone and/or cable TV systems are not grounded to electrical service panel ground system.
    __ 3 wire 120/240 volt sub-panel service should be replaced with a 4 wire cable with isolated neutral.
    Electrical circuitry:
    __ install, __ replace, __ rewire ground fault circuit interrupter, (GFCI/GFI): ________________,
    __ homeowner electrical work, (non-professional workmanship), in __ basement, __ attic, __ garage, _________________ all needs to be inspected and made safe by a qualified electrician.
    __ missing hole covers over: __ knock out holes, __ breaker holes, _______________________
    __ Holes allow vermin and insect entry and probing by children.
    __ missing cover plates on: __ connection boxes, __ switches, __ receptacles, ____________________
    __ missing cable clamps (abrasion=fire hazard) at metal knockout holes at, __ connection box, __ panel, __ basement ceiling light fixtures, __ garage, ______________________
    __ reverse polarity of receptacle(s) may cause fire or electrocution hazard: ______________________
    call me if you have any questions, Jerry ############
    Electrical (continued): -
    __ install junction box - exposed connections hazardous, __ attic, __ garage, __ basement, ___________
    __ tighten loose receptacles and switches, __ bedroom, __ kitchen, __ garage, __ basement, __________
    __ replace fatigued receptacles and switches.
    __ make safe the weak ground, (high resistance) receptacle: ___________________________________
    __ install dual blade receptacle or GFCI labeled "ungrounded", in all ungrounded receptacles.
    __ make safe the lost ground connection at receptacle in: ______________________________________
    __ install a three-way light switch to light: __stairway, __ hallway, __ other:_______________.
    __ install a permanent receptacle per code for: __ garage door opener, __laundry, __ sump pump. Extension cord used as permanent wiring is considered dangerous.)
    __ install / replace missing, nonworking, or thought to be over 10 years old smoke detectors.
    ___ install / replace missing, nonworking, or thought to be over 5 years old carbon monoxide detectors
    __ no combustible items to be stored within 18 inches of any bare light bulb, 12 inches for a globed light, 6 inch for florescent fixtures.
    __ keep insulation 3"away from and never over non-IC rated, (per label) recessed light fixtures.
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Heating: -
    __ asbestos is probably contained in paper duct wrap or fire board above furnace or in fluepipe or Transite ductwork, or in mortar securing the flue pipes to the chimney. Professional removal is required if asbestos fibers can become airborne, (friable).
    __ install upper & lower combustion air supply vents for furnace, boiler & water heater room.
    __ service and safety check furnace or boiler before heating season by a licensed furnace or boiler contractor.
    __ have furnace/boiler serviced and cleaned, (less than optimum flame color or pattern)
    __ install a filter holder. Currently combustibles can bypass filter and be ignited and blown into home.
    __ install a chimney liner to prevent corrosion and acids from destroying the masonry.
    __ protect occupants from the low hanging and sharp ductwork. Cushion as needed.
    __ air return too close to furnace or other gas burning appliances. Relocate at least 10’ away.
    __ 2 air supply vents needed to supply combustion air to gas burning appliances. See appliance manual.
    __________________________________________________ ____________________________
    __ humidifier did not operate
    __ electronic air cleaner appears not to function. (existing electronic air cleaner housing can usually accept a membrane filter that has nearly equivalent cleaning ability)
    __ air supply or air return missing or not functioning at: _____________________________
    call me if you have any questions, Jerry 2###########

    Air conditioning:
    -

    __ evaporator (output) temperature only __ degrees cooler than return air (input) temperature. Ideal cooling temperature difference is 16 to 22 degrees, Have inspected. Possible leakage.
    __ install electrical safety disconnect outdoors within sight of compressor unit.

    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Interiors:
    __ cushion hard - sharp edges of hearths and other protruding surfaces to prevent fall injury
    __ replace any pre-1998 horizontal plastic mini blinds. They contain lead and lead dust.
    __ shorten window shade blind cords that pose a strangulation hazard to children
    __ unsafe windows, __ stuck sash, __ sash falls, __ security bars not hand operable,
    __ install railing or safety glass at: ______________________________
    __ aesthetic - broken seal(s) between thermo window panes
    __ broken window pane: ___________________________
    __ replace door or window glazing with safety or tempered glass: ______________________________
    __ install hand operated dead bolt locks on fire egress and security doors.
    __ missing/broken storm door safety strap to prevent wind damage, ($10.00)
    __ pocket door not operating: _____________________________________
    __ repair door: __ strikes jamb, __ loose hinge, __ does not close, __ adjust strike plate.
    __ get any interior door keys to avoid being locked out of a room.
    __ use wood screws to attach wall mounted cabinetry
    __ use mirror clips to hold glued mirrors to wall
    __ fire stop: __ garage hatch cover, __ pull down stairway needs ¾ plywood cover with 1.5 " overlap, __ garage passage door window, __ holes or gaps over 1/8 " in firewall, __ garage to house windows or doors, __ exposed foam insulation, __ exposed flammable insulation (paper/foil) backing, ________
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    call me if you have any questions, Jerry ############
    Interior: Garage door and power opener
    __ overhead door safety reverse sensors need to be 4.5 to 6" above garage floor.
    __ power opener controls need to be at least 5’ above floors to prevent child operation.
    __ dangerous style of side springs can badly pinch fingers
    __ dangerous low hanging door or components may cause head injury
    __ install a safety cable inside springs to prevent flailing of broken spring ends.
    __ professionally adjust overhead door springs. Door may fall when disconnected from travel rod.
    __ tighten sagging traveler chain to a maximum 1" vertical droop.
    __________________________________________________ ____________________________
    Floors, stairs, rails, etc.:
    __ install a secure and full length handrail on: __________________________________
    __ rail height: below __ 36", __ 48" for safety at: _________________________________
    __ do not break nine inch square floor tiles in pre-1965 homes as they and the glue that adhere them to floor may contain asbestos.
    __ install a 3’ high railing, safety wall, or balustrade beside: ________________ stairway
    __ strangulation hazard: balusters, spindles, and rail to floor spacing is 4" or wider.
    __ climb & fall hazard: balusters, spindles, and/or rails create an unsafe ladder for children.
    __ install riser boards behind each stair tread to prevent strangulation.
    __ install a 1" nose on each stair tread to prevent tripping at: ________________________
    __ steps are: __ too high, __ too low, __ unequal height: __________________________
    __ repair separating stairway stringers. __ trip hazard at:
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    call me if you have any questions, Jerry ############
    Ventilation & Insulation:
    Ventilation:
    __ bathroom exhaust fans should discharge outdoors, or within 6" of a roof vent, (old code),
    __ broken duct ________________________________________.
    __ install an exhaust vent or vent bathroom fan outdoors instead of into attic: ______________________
    __ install smooth metal dryer vent pipe to avoid lint build-up & fire hazard. Clean vent regularly.
    R_ install a basement or crawlspace dehumidifier for use during the summer cooling season to reduce condensation.
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Insulation:
    __ Do not disturb vermiculite insulation as it has a high probability of containing some friable asbestos.
    For most pre-1965 homes, add insulation to exterior walls of any home where wall insulation is currently no more than one inch thick. In pre-1930 homes replace any active knob and tube electrical wiring with modern circuit wiring before insulating.
    For most pre-1975 homes, insulate above foundation exterior walls against the bond/ band joist in basement and/or crawlspace. Follow code for access to monitor for any termite activity. Insulating this area typically provides the best energy savings for the money.
    maintain or increase attic insulation to a R49 level, (the equivalent of 14" of fiberglass insulation.
    __ keep insulation 3"away from and never over non-IC rated,
    __ insulation in direct contact with the roof sheathing may cause the shingles, (in direct sunlight) to over heat and prematurely wear out.
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    call me if you have any questions, Jerry ############
    Fireplaces and solid fuel burning appliances -
    __ pre-1960’s masonry chimneys do not have the now required 2" air gap between the chimney and other combustibles such as the wood structure.
    __ extend hearth 16" deep and 8" beyond each side if fireplace opening less than 6 sq. ft. inches, otherwise 20" and 12" each side.
    __ replace missing refractory mortar or use high temp caulk to fill smaller gaps and cracks between the firebox or smoke box, and the face brickwork to prevent causing a wall fire.
    __ install a safety clip on the natural gas fireplace damper to vent gas build up per code.
    __ broken or stuck damper.
    __ install child protection bumpers around hearth
    __ cracked firebox ceramic walls/tiles. Obtain replacement from manufacturer.
    __ mantel is too loose, __ too close to opening above fire box
    __ caulk or rebuild the crown /wash cap atop the chimney to prevent water damage.
    __ repair, prime and paint exterior chimney chase and its metal top sheathing, caulk as needed.
    __ install a vermin screen cap atop chimney. The screen needs 6"+ of clear vertical height.
    __ install a non-combustible wall or hearth following code, between the heating appliance and the combustible wall or floor.
    __________________________________________________ ____________________________
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    Quote Originally Posted by adkjac View Post
    Billy...

    . Get over yourself.

    Do you live in cyber world?

    So... do any of you... have a sense of humor? (not about railings and death or safety.... just... in general!?)
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    Stop by and see me some time just Ring the Bell.
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    Default Re: Jungle Gym?

    Along with the bad wire railing... more to look into in dwellings... quite the list.

    No need to ignore... going to bed... check.


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    Default Re: Jungle Gym?

    am laughing good at that Billy.. but my cat is now scared to look at any more pics!

    Last edited by adkjac; 09-16-2008 at 08:24 PM. Reason: oops

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