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    Unhappy CO Gases from Wood ???

    Riddle me this as my head is shaking...

    I ran across an article that stated

    A MOTHER and her three-year-old son died from carbon monoxide poisoning as they slept after she closed their chimney to keep the youngster warm."


    and it went on to say
    "Experts found high levels of carbon monoxide in the bedroom and said the chimney damper of a wood stove, installed in there, was closed.


    The smouldering embers in the stove produced the poisonous gas, which would have quickly filled the small room."

    Has me wondering if wood in the Ukraine has gas in it...and do writers not research a dang thing...

    The full article is here
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/137540...warm/#comments

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    Default Re: CO Gases from Wood ???

    It's certainly tragic that a Mother and child died in such a way.

    I'm no expert, but I thought CO gas comes from incomplete or incorrect combustion, and not just from gas fired appliances, if that's what you're implying.


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    Default Re: CO Gases from Wood ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom D'Agostino View Post
    It's certainly tragic that a Mother and child died in such a way.

    I'm no expert, but I thought CO gas comes from incomplete or incorrect combustion, and not just from gas fired appliances, if that's what you're implying.
    Incomplete or incorrect combustion of gas is correct ...the story said that it came from burning wood.


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    Default Re: CO Gases from Wood ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Reilly View Post
    Incomplete or incorrect combustion of gas is correct ...the story said that it came from burning wood.
    Seems to be any fuel, including wood, according to experts.
    https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsl...xide_poisoning

    Additional PDF is also attached.

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    Default Re: CO Gases from Wood ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom D'Agostino View Post
    Seems to be any fuel, including wood, according to experts.
    https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsl...xide_poisoning

    Additional PDF is also attached.
    Interesting, Thanks for sharing


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    Default Re: CO Gases from Wood ???

    Joe,

    Yes. Burning any kind of fuel can release CO if the combustion is incomplete. Wood, natural gas, propane, coal, gasoline, whatever. California requires a CO alarm in homes that have gas-fired appliances, attached garages, and/or fireplaces. If a home is all-electric, no fireplace, and no attached garage, a CO is not required.

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    Default Re: CO Gases from Wood ???

    I will say though that CO poisoning from a Zamboni was not my first thought.

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    Default Re: CO Gases from Wood ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist View Post
    Joe,

    Yes. Burning any kind of fuel can release CO if the combustion is incomplete. Wood, natural gas, propane, coal, gasoline, whatever. California requires a CO alarm in homes that have gas-fired appliances, attached garages, and/or fireplaces. If a home is all-electric, no fireplace, and no attached garage, a CO is not required.
    Here in Washington state we require CO detector is all residences regardless of whether there are gas service or attached garages. During power outages people will do strange things such as bring a BBQ into their living room or running a generator in a garage with the door partially closed to prevent theft. Even warming the car up with the front door partially open can bring CO into the home.

    As they say an ounce of prevention..........

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    Default Re: CO Gases from Wood ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Bunzel View Post
    ... or running a generator in a garage with the door partially closed to prevent theft. Even warming the car up with the front door partially open can bring CO into the home.
    Yes, attached garages here require a CO. I guess the state legislators do not want to stop folks from invoking Darwin by bringing a barbecue or generator into the house.

    You can't really legislate against stupidity. People are going to find ways.

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    Default Re: CO Gases from Wood ???

    I heard that cleaning an oven can produce CO. I have not verified it though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Feldmann View Post
    I heard that cleaning an oven can produce CO. I have not verified it though.
    Jack,

    That is very interesting. I know that using a self-cleaning oven can be a problem for birds, but never really thought about CO. I looked online and most of what I read had no documentation, I did find these two articles, one from Iowa State U and the other from McGill University in Canada. Unfortunately, neither one provides a link to any original study, but I do rather view these as tentatively reliable sources.

    https://www.abe.iastate.edu/extensio...anges-aen-205/
    https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/he...-cleaning-oven

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist View Post
    Joe,

    [ California requires a CO alarm in homes that have gas-fired appliances, attached garages, and/or fireplaces. If a home is all-electric, no fireplace, and no attached garage, a CO is not required.
    Oregon has almost identical rules. Nevertheless, I'm constantly amazed how often I don't find them when/where I would expect to.

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    Default Re: CO Gases from Wood ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Feldmann View Post
    I heard that cleaning an oven can produce CO. I have not verified it though.
    https://www.thedailymeal.com/healthy...e-oven-cleaner


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    Default Re: CO Gases from Wood ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist View Post
    Yes, attached garages here require a CO.

    You can't really legislate against stupidity. People are going to find ways.
    If I remember right, there was at least one case where a remote started a car in a residential garage, and when the HO went into the garage, the CO finished them. I do not remember whether the HO was the person whose remote started the car.


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