Thread: Not one dime will be added to the deficit

But we are going to have people in place that will handle the gov insurance plan. We are going to give tax credits to those who still cannot afford insurance. This plan will not affect one person that already has insurance. There will be a penalty or fine if you will for employers that drop health care coverage for their employees of 8 percent per employee (It cost employers more than 8% to provide so I guess they will all be dropping it.)

It will not cover illegal immigrants...................Hello.......when they go to the emergency room they will still be getting covered so whether they can opt into the plan or just outright get paid for the plan still pays for them.

For those that do not buy health insurance they will be fined an penalised.

Really....They will be penalised because they cannot afford health insurance know no matter what the cost and because the gov says they will now have to buy health insurance or be penalised....this will now be affordable to them and they will be able to afford it???????

Also......................The gov is going to mandate that no matter what is wrong with you your insurance company must pay to have it fixed. Your insurance company cannot put caps on total yearly payout and then try to charge you if you go over. Also any pre-existing conditions cannot be turned down by any insurance carrier................And this is suppose to lower health care costs......And this is suppose to make affordable health insurance for everyone even though they cannot afford it now. If you are paying rent or mortgage and your bills and your food and car and insurance for the home and car and electric bill and phone bill ...and you have no money left.......why does health insurance suddenly become affordable, no matter what the cost.

They did this is Massachusettes and it almost bankrupt the state. Health insurance did not go down it went up.

I want everyone covered as well so do not think I am against some type of universal coverage. The damned if you do and damed if you don't gov mentality is just a bit much to swallow.

It is time to do this and it is time to do it now...right now....no matter what....is he serious...................

Nice speach in the beginning and nice speech in the end to get everyone on his bandwagon. The substance inbetween.....where was it?

How much will insurance cost that he calls affordable. Did anyone hear anything to do with that at all other than "you will buy insurance or be damned."

I am a single man. 500 a month will get me a some what decent policy but there is still a lot I have to pay for. That is a serious amount to swallow. Is this new wonder insurance for all going to cut that in half. Or does he think it is affordable for me right now???????????????

What is affordable to those who cannot afford it at all. If they truely cannot afford it then who is going to pay for it or will this add to the deficit. Oh yeah...not one thin dime to the deficit and this new plan will pay for itself and will not affect any other individual.

Sorry but there are only two sides to a mouth. Why suddenly does it appear that there are six sides to a mouth. Which side is he talking from about what subject.

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TM: You and the other members of the Sour Grapes Review (you know who you are) should scout out and purchase some land way the hell up in Idaho somewhere where you will be among other redneck kindred spirits. You can then frolic away your days huntin', fishin', chewin' and spittin' and there will be absolutely no requirements for thinking.

A member of the so called SGR checking in here.

Mr. Miller wants to pretend that you can believe Obama this time. No really you can. Trust me.

The morons in both parties have raped the failing SS and Medicare funds to pay for their largess and now we are supposed to imagine that this time they will get it right on health care reform just because Obama is in charge.

Wake up sheeple. Time for a reality check.

The one thing in the speech which was missing which should have been there was this:

And, last but not least, ladies and gentlemen of the Congress, if a suitable and sustainable bill is not delivered to my desk for signing by September 30th, 2009, I will issue an Executive Order expanding the coverage of the health insurance policies for all members of Congress to include all not only all members of Congress but to additionally include all Citizens of the United States Of America.

Make your health coverage discussions and negotiations for the health care reform bill with this in mind: If the health insurance coverage is good enough for Congress and is paid for by the Citizens of the United States of America, that same health insurance coverage WILL BE provided to the all of the Citizens of the United States of America.

With that in mind ... act accordingly.

Your President.



I can see Michael's eyes bulging out from here, along with those of some others.

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

I can see Michael's eyes bulging out from here, along with those of some others.

I had that fixed.

Are you advocating the POTUS make illegal orders now

Isn't that what dictators do?

Originally Posted by Michael Larson

I had that fixed.

Are you advocating the POTUS make illegal orders now

Isn't that what dictators do?

Your man did it daily, what's any different about the next President doing it? Nothing.

Besides, is that really illegal to make an Executive Order like that? Certainly not like those made by the previous administration.

I will make a prediction... This health care program will not pass and this president and this congress will go down in the books as the worst in the history of our country.

I hope I'm wrong...

But that speech last night was one for the books. I do not recall any past president pitting one part of the country against the other in order to get people to go along with what he and congress is try to shove down our throats. He points out how bad the insurance companies are then he says what good thing he can do if we just send him our money and he will spend it for us and on us. what a nice guy...

Best

Ron

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Your man did it daily, what's any different about the next President doing it? Nothing.

Besides, is that really illegal to make an Executive Order like that? Certainly not like those made by the previous administration.

I know you believe it but you can't prove it.

For the sake of demonstrating your illogic on this, even if Bush did and you thought it was wrong, what makes it OK for you to suggest your guy to do it now?

Nothing.

Originally Posted by Ron Bibler

I will make a prediction... This health care program will not pass and this president and this congress will go down in the books as the worst in the history of our country.

Ron,

Even if health care reform does not pass, no way can this administration come anywhere near close to being as bad as the previous administration - this country simply could not survive another administration even remotely close to the incompetency of the previous administration.

Michael,

If you try to fail and succeed, which did you do?

Jerry If I look back over the past 8 years things were good for me.

He did some things very well.

Things he should have done.

Shut down the borders.
Open areas for more oil drilling.
Not spend so dam much money along with the dems.

Other then these things he was not bad...

Best

Ron

JP for prez and AM for vice

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Michael,

If you try to fail and succeed, which did you do?

You shouldn't talk about our current president that way Jerry.

Three words to solve BO's money problem
DRILL BABY DRILL

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

And, last but not least, ladies and gentlemen of the Congress, if a suitable and sustainable bill is not delivered to my desk for signing by September 30th, 2009, I will issue an Executive Order expanding the coverage of the health insurance policies for all members of Congress to include all not only all members of Congress but to additionally include all Citizens of the United States Of America.

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The President Cannot Issue an Executive Order That Requires an Expenditure Budget.

The Purse Strings Belong to The Legislative Branch.
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Originally Posted by Billy Stephens

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The President Cannot Issue an Executive Order That Requires an Expenditure Budget.

The Purse Strings Belong to The Legislative Branch.
.

Ahh thats just a minor glitch in BOs world.
All he has to do is appoint some more czars and do away with any restrictions.

Originally Posted by Dan Harris

Three words to solve BO's money problem
DRILL BABY DRILL

I saw this in an e-mail, wish I could take credit for the idea, but I can't.

There are 40 million (give or take) Americans of retirement age.

Give them each $1,000,000 to retire.
- You now have 40 million people with spending capital - END OF ECONOMIC PROBLEMS.

MAKE them retire.
- You now have 40 million JOBS WHICH NEED TO BE FILLED - END OF UNEMPLOYMENT PROBLEMS.

MAKE them buy health insurance.
- You now have 40 million people in one group shopping together for health insurance and EVERY INSURANCE COMPANY falling all over themselves to become the insurance company, even split it up among the top four insurance companies who bring in the best plans - END OF HEALTH CARE PROBLEM.

MAKE them each buy a car.
- You now have all auto companies trying to capture as much of that 40 million sales as they can - END OF AUTOMOBILE PROBLEM.

MAKE them each buy a house.
- You now have 40 million people buying houses - END OF HOUSING PROBLEM.

Not sure it was exactly like that, but that is the idea.

Is giving 40 million people a million dollars each a lot of money? You bet.

Is it cheaper, better, and quicker than any other recovery plan talked about? You bet.

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Is giving 40 million people a million dollars each a lot of money? You bet.

Is it cheaper, better, and quicker than any other recovery plan talked about? You bet.

Sounds good, sign me up as long as it's tax free
I need help with my math on this, too many 000000s
40 million people X 1 million $s . Does that equal 400 Billion ?

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

I saw this in an e-mail, wish I could take credit for the idea, but I can't.

There are 40 million (give or take) Americans of retirement age.

Give them each $1,000,000 to retire.
- You now have 40 million people with spending capital - END OF ECONOMIC PROBLEMS.

MAKE them retire.
- You now have 40 million JOBS WHICH NEED TO BE FILLED - END OF UNEMPLOYMENT PROBLEMS..

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Nice Fairy Tale.

There Is No Retirement Monies to Disburse.

Every Red Cent is Spent on The Current Operating Day to Day Budget .

The Only Thing in the Social Security, Medicare Accounts are Federal Reserve Notes.

The Ones that are Auctioned Off Every Monday Morning (.Billions of Dollars.)

It's a Very Large Pile of Federal I. O. U's.

NO Money just IOU's.
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Originally Posted by Dan Harris

Sounds good, sign me up as long as it's tax free
I need help with my math on this, too many 000000s
40 million people X 1 million $s . Does that equal 400 Billion ?

40,000,000 people take a million dollars each and put it in a pile comes to 40,000,000 dollars

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

...If the health insurance coverage is good enough for Congress and is paid for by the Citizens of the United States of America, that same health insurance coverage WILL BE provided to the all of the Citizens of the United States of America...

Incredible. You actually think regular citizens should have access to the same health care as our representatives in congress?! What a Socialist.

Originally Posted by John Arnold

Incredible. You actually think regular citizens should have access to the same health care as our representatives in congress?! What a Socialist.

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I was thinking more along the line of Communistic.

Everybody Eats Steak ( there Just Isn't Any. )
* or bread, milk, shoes, housing ect.
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Math is not Jerry's strong suit.

40 Million x $1 Million = $40 Trillion.

That's a lot of cabbage considering the GDP is $14 Trillion per year

Where would money come from?

Originally Posted by Michael Larson

Math is not Jerry's strong suit.

40 Million x $1 Million = $40 Trillion.

That's a lot of cabbage considering the GDP is $14 Trillion per year

Where would money come from?

China...........They can help us out....

Best

Ron

Originally Posted by Michael Larson

Math is not Jerry's strong suit.

40 Million x $1 Million = $40 Trillion.

Michael,

In your effort to always try to get people, you really do need to learn to read ...

... go back and re-read those posts and you will see that *I* did not state what the 40 million x 1 million was, I left that up to you guys (*I* *KNEW* it was $40 TRILLION), some others, though, came up with different math.

That's a lot of cabbage considering the GDP is $14 Trillion per year

Where would money come from?

Same place Bush's money for the war came from - out of thin air.

YOU ... STILL ... DON'T ... *GET IT* ... and likely never will.

This discussion is following a line similiar to one I had with an old friend yesterday. One point came up during that discussion that I honestly, didn't know the answer and actually was stumped.
So, I would like to poise the same question to you gentlemen.
As I'm sure all of you are aware, the US has become a debtor nation. The total debt is growing each day. That's common knowledge.
Here's the question: What happens if the US defaults and cannot repay the debit? Does China repo the US?

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

YOU ... STILL ... DON'T ... *GET IT* ... and likely never will.

Nothing to get Jerry but thanks for playing.

Let me know when the POTUS gets everything all fixed up.

When it comes to spending money we don't have, Bush was little league by comparison.

You'll all be happy to know Canada's economy is beginning to come out of the recession and the Cdn. dollar is gaining strength against the greenback.

The stores are busy, gas is 95 cents a litre, people are eating out and homes are selling.

I have some extra money to invest, does anyone know how to get a hold of Bernie Madoff. He is not listed in the phone book, and I can't get a hold of his wife or the kids.

I will make a prediction... This health care program will not pass and this president and this congress will go down in the books as the worst in the history of our country.

RB: Not a chance in hell.

I hope I'm wrong...

RB: That you are.

Bush was little league

ML: Finally, something we can agree upon.

Originally Posted by A.D. Miller

ML: Finally, something we can agree upon.

Have you written an apology to your kids and grand kids for having inflicted massive debt on them?

They are going to be so p.o.ed when they see what they owe and what they received from your bad decision.

Have you written an apology to your kids and grand kids for having inflicted massive debt on them?

ML: Funny, I've looked through everything in my house and cannot seem to locate the letters I received from my parents or grandparents profusely apologizing for the world I inherited from them. But then, they would not have been my relatives if they had acted inanely enough to write such letters.

I have no children or grandchildren. I never wanted any, and never will. Whatever buck there is in my life stops with me. I accept all responsibility for my life. I have never had regrets and never will.

Originally Posted by A.D. Miller

I have no children or grandchildren. I never wanted any, and never will. Whatever buck there is in my life stops with me. I accept all responsibility for my life. I have never had regrets and never will.

Thank God for that.

On your way out could you write a check for your share?

$200,000

Make the check payable to Uncle Sam

Originally Posted by Michael Larson

Thank God for that.

On your way out could you write a check for your share?

$200,000

Make the check payable to Uncle Sam

ML: Who says I am going out before you? You can write your check to The Reason Project, care of Sam Harris.

i think the politicans should have to provide their own health insurance especially after their are out of office and should pay social security, like the rest of us, and draw s.s. at retirement, not the thousands of $ per month.

Originally Posted by RANDY NICHOLAS

i think the politicans should have to provide their own health insurance especially after their are out of office and should pay social security, like the rest of us, and draw s.s. at retirement, not the thousands of $ per month.

What no one seams to realize is that we are not paying into social security for us. We are paying into social security for folks already collecting it. As far as senators and such not paying into it is a joke.

They collect their pension and tax payers are paying for that so for them not to pay into social security for others is an absolute sin.

For them to serve for four years and collect retirement for eternity is an absolute insult to the injury they are already causing.

There is nothing they make that is not paid for buy tax payers, directly. They should not be able to vote on anything for themselves to do with their own compensation. If they are ever to get a raise or benefit then the public should say yes or no, not themselves.