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    There has to be something in here for everyone of us!

    These are all California State Agencies:

    California Academic Performance Index (API) * California Access for Infants and Mothers * California Acupuncture Board * California Administrative Office of the Courts * California Adoptions Branch * California African American Museum * California Agricultural Export Program * California Agricultural Labor Relations Board * California Agricultural Statistics Service * California Air Resources Board (CARB) * California Allocation Board * California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority * California Animal Health and Food Safety Services * California Anti-Terrorism Information Center * California Apprenticeship Council * California Arbitration Certification Program * California Architects Board * California Area VI Developmental Disabilities Board * California Arts Council * California Asian Pacific Islander Legislative Caucus * California Assembly Democratic Caucus * California Assembly Republican Caucus * California Athletic Commission * California 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California State Government Organization and Economy) * Medical Board of California * Medi-Cal * Osteopathic Medical Board of California * Physical Therapy Board of California * Regents of the University of California * San Diego State University * San Francisco State University * San Jose State University * Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy * State Bar of California * Supreme Court of California * Teach California * University of California * University of California, Berkeley * University of California, Davis * University of California, Hastings College of the Law * University of California, Irvine * University of California, Los Angeles * University of California, Merced * University of California, Riverside * University of California, San Diego * University of California, San Francisco * University of California, Santa Barbara * University of California, Santa Cruz * Veterans Home of California


    It is said that the only places they can cut is Police and Fire...

    It doesn't matter whether you are a Democrat, a Republican or Independent. This list has to shock you. Over the years, our politicians have created this enormous pork barrel of agencies that employ over 350,000 people directly and countless more via contracts with the State. All of these people get salaries, medical coverage and pensions at our expense. Take a good, close look. Unbelievable? No. Believe it!




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    Amen

    And that was deleting the book I just wrote on the matter.


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    Now I understand why Im seeing more CA plates in my neck of the woods.......and this is after tourist season.


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    Wow.... that's a lot. I don't know how anyone can keep track of all of that. There should be a commission of agencies appointed to regulate and manage all of the agencies and commissions. Of course, that will need to be split into numerous sub-agencies and commissions each with their own directors and staff..... all at the tax payers expense, of course. And all with a retirement plan and a health plan for their faimlies and everyone living on their street

    Take all that and add 20% for a congressmen's pocket.... another 20% for a senator and you've pretty much nailed our current system. I just can't imagine what could go wrong


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    I'm not a Californian any longer ... but this list is a "crock" ... inflated (or not carefully vetted) solely to make a political point. A careful reading would show that it includes various organizational sub-branches/offices within major state agencies (you'd rather they weren't organized or efficient, meeting in one big gaggle in a field someplace?), lists individually each campus of the University system (<sarcasm> great idea, lets cut the crap out of the schools ... obviously lots of waste (& leftist radicals) there </sarcasm>), lists the various legislative caucuses (which are just adhoc groups of legislators ... not budgeted agencies), and lists a long laundry list of agencies/offices that contribute a lot to the public good ... or perhaps you'd rather do without:

    California Highway Patrol (ironic given your comments re: cuts to police/fire)
    State Supreme Court
    Department of Motor Vehicles (hate the lines, would hate more unregulated/unlicensed drivers)
    The agencies that ensure water is actually there & potable when you open the tap ...
    California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (CDF) ... (which neighborhood burns next? ... too many neighborhoods in the state anyway)
    California Division of Communicable Disease Control (no problem, we'll just task those agricultural checkpoints to check for: "Good day ma'am, any fruits, vegetables, strange/itchy spots, sores, or illnesses?")
    California Division of Engineering (obviously superfluous in an earthquake prone state)
    California Franchise Tax Board (FTB) ... knock yourself out ...
    ... the list goes on & on & on ...

    30 to 40 years ago California was truly "the Golden State" ... with infrastructure, opportunity, & educational institutions 2nd to none ... the envy of the nation (though most thought those left-coasters were "weird, strange, or crazy" ... obviously subjected to too much sun) ... and I'll bet a similar (if slightly smaller) list could have been compiled then in an attempt to make the same point.

    The list proves nothing ... other than to emphasize that the political winds in some quarters blow strongly to knee-jerk "blame government" for all ills (real or imagined) ... and to "cut, cut, cut", without thought, or balance ... until ("oops") we cut our own damn throats.

    You may well have waste in California (along with your dysfunctional legislature and tax systems) ... but the size of this list by itself doesn't make that point.

    Off my soapbox ... doesn't matter ... whole state's going to fall into the ocean anyway.

    Bill Davis
    former Californian (just passing through, for about 21 years)


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    That was a true left wing response. Matt hit the nail on the head with the meaning behind the post.

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    I see another post like Bills (and I am still wondering where, exactly, he was coming from or what direction the sarcasm was headed) I will post the book I deleted twice already because I can be way too long winded.

    The amount of government programs, whether it be town, city, county or fed government is an absolute joke on society.

    We can, and have in the past, live quite nicely with teachers making 30,000 instead of 65 apiece like my niece and nephew in California. We can live without the multitude of traffic cops around where I live that have been hired over the past decade. They literally have to write countless tickets just to justify their existence.

    Cops and teachers did not make much more to start when I was young than a carpenter. Today my niece and nephew are making a combined 139,000 a year and the carpenters average pay ... still 15 an hour ... and no benefits. Because the teachers and cops work so hard and are the back bone of our country and they should be paid for for the rest of their life. Let me tell you. Every single inspection that I do I am in mortal danger of those shingles sliding out from under my feet or putting my hand on a live wire in an attic or crawl than 99% of all cops today. Teachers do now what they did decades ago teach. They work hard, the cop works, well, maybe hard sometimes, I work hard, you work hard, yep, wee all work hard and we are all the back bone of the country.

    Enough said. It is turning into the book I deleted, twice. This is a very difficult thread to avoid posting heavily.

    Fantasy land is all I have to say for now. It is time to come out of fantasy land and into the real world.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Schulz View Post
    That was a true left wing response.
    ... and that is a typical right wing response to anything that isn't "lock step" with their own view or perspective. For decades was a "moderate Republican", still am, though the species went extinct. Hate the extremes on either side, though that seems to be what dominates today's discourse ... and the country is worse off because of it.
    Matt hit the nail on the head with the meaning behind the post.
    Didn't argue with his "meaning". Argued with his justification (the list), and probably only did that publicly because it was late at night & my resistance was low.

    Bill Davis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Menelly View Post
    The amount of government programs, whether it be town, city, county or fed government is an absolute joke on society.
    ... wouldn't entirely disagree.

    We can, and have in the past, live quite nicely with teachers making 30,000 instead of 65 apiece like my niece and nephew in California.
    This is a local issue. What is "reasonable" is entirely dependent on the local cost of living & what the local school board (accountable to the local voters) is willing to pay. If what they're willing to pay is unreasonable in relation to the local cost of living, they won't be able to fill the position or the quality of applicant will sink downward and they'll have to decide if that is what they want. Free market. If what the board is willing to pay is out of line with voter sentiment ... someone gets fired/replaced. Democracy in action.
    We can live without the multitude of traffic cops around where I live that have been hired over the past decade. They literally have to write countless tickets just to justify their existence.
    Again a local issue, though I wonder how much is being paid for/driven by the paranoid, "throw money at it" response to 9/11. Not every local cop shop needs an armored SWAT vehicle or a bomb handling robot ... and the thought that they do (or that we should collectively pay for it) is ludicrous.

    Cops and teachers did not make much more to start when I was young than a carpenter. Today my niece and nephew are making a combined 139,000 a year and the carpenters average pay ... still 15 an hour ... and no benefits.
    ... and when I was young a soda was 10 cents and my dad brought home about five grand a year, on which we lived quite comfortably (try that today). Sounds like the carpenters need a better union. Today's trend is to try to drive everything to the lowest common denominator ... those that wish to do so would be wise to bone up on what life was like for the average working man in the late 1800's, early 1900's before rolling back a centuries worth of progress in the average standard of living.

    Bill Davis
    ... personally I like indoor plumbing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Davis View Post
    ... wouldn't entirely disagree.This is a local issue. What is "reasonable" is entirely dependent of the local cost of living & what the local school board (accountable to the local voters) is willing to pay. If what they're willing to pay is unreasonable in relation to the local cost of living, they won't be able to fill the position or the quality of applicant will sink downward. Free market.Again a local issue, though I wonder how much is being paid for/driven by the paranoid, "throw money at it" response to 9/11. Not every local cop shop needs an armored SWAT vehicle or a bomb handling robot ... and the thought that they do (or that we should collectively pay for it) is ludicrous. ... and when I was young a soda was 10 cents and my dad brought home about five grand a year, on which we lived quite comfortably (try that today). Sounds like the carpenters need a better union. Today's trend is to try to drive everything to the lowest common denominator ... those that wish to do so would be wise to bone up on what life was like for the average working man in the late 1800's, early 1900's before rolling back a centuries worth of progress in the average standard of living.

    Bill Davis
    ... personally I like indoor plumbing
    Local smokel. It is still a government employee. and when is the last time you voted on, for or against, a teachers salary. I would say never, They are all unionized and vote themselves a raise and if they don't get it they leak all over the sidewalk.

    North Richland Hills , a town next to mine , is a little city and they have a bus that is a command center and a full swat team and all their equipment. They have to keep buying things to use their budget or they lose it so the next years budget is bigger and then bigger and then bigger and they have to keep hiring and spending or they lose it.

    What does what a teacher or a cop back then and now make have to do with the balance of income from the carpenter and the teachers and cops. So what what you made back then. Teachers and cops make three times the amount. For one reason is their unions and you want the carpenter to form a union and instead of getting twice as much as he should you want him to strike in a union until he gets three times like a teacher or a cop.

    I personally don't believe almost any government employee is worth what they are making today. Each one making enough to support a family of 4 and then they want the tremendous benefit packages along with it. I thing cops or teachers should not cap off any higher than 50 grand at the expense of others and they should pay into some of or a good bit of their bennfit packages. Why?????? Because we can no longer afford it for one and 2 Because they are a cop or a teacher they should be worth .... what ... because they work hard. Pay them less and get less. Are you serious. They still have to go to the same college and get the same passing grades. If they don't apply it fire them .... next!

    The cops don't like their salaries at a very reduced rate and benefit packages at a reduced rate and it affects their working as they should .... fire them .... NEXT

    This might be a list of California agencies and bureaus and such but it was about government.

    More over I believe it was a thread that was started to show how out of whack things are and if they are not stopped and I mean almost immediately no one will like the outcome.

    When you are just about guaranteed a job and you get decent benefits (forget the local economics), California is just a sick excuse on how things should be and the ridiculous prices of homes. Enough folks move on maybe they will get the hint and straighten things out like they should have a long long long time ago.

    I repeat, even in a state like California the price of an 1100 square foot home in the 100s of thousands of dollars is a joke on society because everyone kept getting more and more and more and more and the gov job incomes and benefits kept going up and up and up so the private sector jobs kept going up and up and it is to the point now that those elevated incomes are having a hard enough time living in the massively over bloated state that had make believe inflation for such a long time that folks are having a difficult time remembering whae things were ever sain. And being able to afford that long list that was posted is not going to happen much longer and will have to be cut in half at best.

    The point is that these thught are not are not radical or insanity talking. If things do not get fixed very soon we will be a Greece or Soviet Union or ..... pick on. We will collapse.

    Extremists on the right or left.

    The only ones I see at the moment that are still a problem and all the rest are starting to come around to sanity (you notice I said starting) are the extreme dems like calling for a trillion more instead of a half a trillion more in spending. They throw trillions around like it is 50 bucks .......... and it is not their money. Obamas idea that he can pay for it is a joke. He should not be thinking of where he is going to get more money to spend more money. He should be thinking of what he can cut so the extra money they save they can pay off what we need to that we have now.

    Brain dead at best

    What was his speech to the joint session.

    "This is not a campaign speech" But then he went out the next day campaigning "Pass this spending bill" Pass this spending bill" Pass this spending bill and he has not shut up since and the mederate Dems are even bailing on him

    Enough said


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Menelly View Post
    Local smokel. ...
    Wow Ted, hope someone harvested the energy of that explosion (better than solar ). Understand your passion ... agree with some of your comments, disagree with others ...

    Enough said
    Agree there ... hope your blood pressure's under control ...
    find a shady spot (if there are any in Texas this year?) and have a beer.

    Bill Davis


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Davis View Post
    Wow Ted, hope someone harvested the energy of that explosion (better than solar ). Understand your passion ... agree with some of your comments, disagree with others ...

    Agree there ... hope your blood pressure's under control ...
    find a shady spot (if there are any in Texas this year?) and have a beer.

    Bill Davis
    My blood pressure is absolutely perfect. I think you are confusing items needed to be commented on and dealt with with anger, rage and upset. Its called passion.

    Being passionate is an Italians prerogative especially when he has some Cherokee Indian and Irish in him and he lived just South of Boston for 36 years. Yes. I used to Pahrk my car. My grandparents came from the old country on my fathers side. One from Sicily and one from Naples. On my mothers side her father came from Ireland and her mother was 100% Cherokee Indian. All extreme on the passion.

    I do not pussy foot around with anything. I speak when there is something to say and listen when it is time to listen. I do get pissed at absolute ignorance from folks thinking everyone else is ignorant or they fake ignorance to play there hand. There is nothing short of upset there.

    When our President talks to people like they are a bunch of ignorant fools like we just don't know what is going on and need to be told, that pisses me off. When he talks to us of a foolish spending plan and then says it is not a campaign speech when all it was calling the joint session in was a dog and pony show for his campaign. That pisses me off.

    My blood pressure is in perfect condition. I speak with passion and conviction. It appears that no one is familiar with such things today. Maybe that is what is wrong with society. No passion. No conviction. I have noticed that on this board. Someone speaks with such passion and everyone else puts their guard up thinking someone is about to blow.

    Not mad, not upset. Just a bit pissed and passionate about it.

    Last edited by Ted Menelly; 09-18-2011 at 04:48 PM.

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    Default Re: Where to cut spending......Hmmmm

    Not written by a Tea Party "Wing Nut" nor a "Left wing Loonie"
    written 1835 to 1840... unfortunately he nailed it.

    Pogo says "We have met the enemy and he is us!"

    “When the taste for physical gratifications among them has grown more rapidly than their education . . . the time will come when men are carried away and lose all self-restraint . . . . It is not necessary to do violence to such a people in order to strip them of the rights they enjoy; they themselves willingly loosen their hold. . . . they neglect their chief business which is to remain their own masters.”
    ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, Volume 2


    “Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom socialism restricts it. Democracy attaches all possible value to each man; socialism makes each man a mere agent a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”
    ― Alexis de Tocqueville

    “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”
    ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”
    ― Alexis de Tocqueville

    “There are two things which a democratic people will always find very difficult
    to begin a war and to end it.”
    ― Alexis de Tocqueville

    Alexis-Charles-Henri Clérel de Tocqueville (July 29, 1805 – April 16, 1859) was a French political thinker and historian best known for his Democracy in America (appearing in two volumes: 1835 and 1840) and The Old Regime and the Revolution (1856). In both of these works, he explored the effects of the rising equality of social conditions on the individual and the state in western societies.

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