Thread: Non threathening

I can't WAIT to hear James's defense of this beauty...

Commercials

Darren

G-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-Z-U-S!

Aaron

... or what he has to say about this:

Court Enters Judgment after InterNACHI Violates Settlement Agreement

Harvey are you there?

That's about Nick 'tantamount to bad faith' Gromicko. What a non-threatening kind of guy . . .

Aaron

Perhaps Harvey is actually out doing an inspection. Or he is out purchasing new restraint jackets for the ESOP committee for when things get out of hand like they did a few weeks back.

I know they were thinking about arming the ESOP committee members with Tasers, but that backfired when they read somewhere that they could use Cattle prods and get the same results at less than half the price for Tasers.

You little boys having fun?

Michael,

I don't know who you're calling 'little'...

I can tell you this, I'm not having any fun cleaning up all the puke after watching that clip...

ugh

Michael

Your not at NACHI now so you better watch what you say, there is no ESOP over here telling people what to think and do and say!

That was embarassing.

Originally Posted by Darren Miller

I can't WAIT to hear James's defense of this beauty...

Commercials

Darren

What do you think there is to defend Darren?

Do you have a problem with advertising?

Originally Posted by Darren Miller

Michael,

I don't know who you're calling 'little'...

I can tell you this, I'm not having any fun cleaning up all the puke after watching that clip...

ugh

You "men" seem to delight in finding real and or imagined issues to bash others with.

Hearing that Nick talk reminds me of those old Saturday Night Live skits where they are at Ditka's talking about Da Bears.

Michael, if you have to ask what is wrong with that commerical.............OK, I'll try.

That farce of a commerical is so slanted toward kissing up to realtors it's nauseating. "non-threatening results"........"taking care of OUR client".

Who is Kenton working for Michael? The realtor or the buyer? Sounds like he's licking the realtors' boots to me.

Originally Posted by Nick Ostrowski

Michael, if you have to ask what is wrong with that commerical.............OK, I'll try.

That farce of a commerical is so slanted toward kissing up to realtors it's nauseating. "We'll issue a non-threatening report"........"taking care of OUR client".

Who is Kenton working for Michael? The realtor or the buyer? Sounds like he's licking the realtors' boots to me.

I tell it like it is in my reports and hope you do as well.

I have no interest in sucking up to agents but there is also nothing gained from using overly intense reporting language.

Some inspectors seem to delight in blowing up deals. It's not why they have been hired.

Report what you find and let the client decide how it important it is to him and be available to answer any questions he has.

The agent will most always try and minimize any problems. Let him take the liability.

The houses conditions may kill the deal but the inspector should not be.

Michael, I agree with every point you just made. But why would an inspector go out of his way to state that he'll issue a non-threatening report? That means nothing to a buyer.

In stating that he'll issue a non-threatening report, does that mean he'll use non-threatening verbiage to describe a gas leak, or a circuit breaker with undersized wire, or a blocked chimney flue - all of which can possibly result in death if left unchecked?

We find and document many hazardous issues. Our clients need to know the ramifications of hazardous defects.......and we need to protect ourselves. The whole "non-threatening" statement is just not realistic and reeks of realtor boot-licking.

Originally Posted by Nick Ostrowski

Michael, I agree with every point you just made. But why would an inspector go out of his way to state that he'll issue a non-threatening report? That means nothing to a buyer.

In stating that he'll issue a non-threatening report, does that mean he'll use non-threatening verbiage to describe a gas leak, or a circuit breaker with undersized wire, or a blocked chimney flue - all of which can possibly result in death if left unchecked?

We find and document many hazardous issues. Our clients need to know the ramifications of hazardous defects.......and we need to protect ourselves. The whole "non-threatening" statement is just not realistic and reeks of realtor boot-licking.

I think you overstate your case by accusing him of not properly reporting hazardous issues. Call the guy up and ask him.

I'll wager he reports hazardous conditions in much the same way as you and I would.

It's a commercial.
Do you want him to say, "Your Realtor will fear me after I inspect your home"

While we might find that funny, most everyone else wouldn't.

I never said he won't properly report a hazardous condition. I'm wondering how he's going to do it so it doesn't sound threatening. Because like he states in his commerical, he does issue non-threatening results.

Did you notice the not so subtle subliminal message in the ad? Watch the video again and keep your eye on the upper left corner of the video. What does the real estate sign say?
SOLD! What do you think that implies?

Originally Posted by Nick Ostrowski

I never said he won't properly report a hazardous condition. I'm wondering how he's going to do it so it doesn't sound threatening. Because like he states in his commerical, he does issue non-threatening results.

OK
When I report serious, dangerous, hazardous concerns to clients they often ask me if the house is worth the price. My answer is always the same.
I can't decide that for you. I can only report what I find and give you a tool to determine if you want to go ahead with the purchase and at what price.

They almost always understand. I do encourage them to get quotes for repair or replacement services for more serious issues as an aide in their decision making process.

Every client is different. Some issues that would scare one client mean litlte or nothing to another.

Originally Posted by Raymond Wand

Did you notice the not so subtle subliminal message in the ad? Watch the video again and keep your eye on the upper left corner of the video. What does the real estate sign say?
SOLD! What do you think that implies?

Raymond,

I guess to you it implies that he's working for the agent. To me it makes no difference.

The client will be the one that ultimately determines the value of the services provided.

Working for the agent? He better figure out who his client is if thats the case.

Originally Posted by Raymond Wand

Working for the agent? He better figure out who his client is if thats the case.

Comprehension problems again?

I said "I guess to you it implies that he's working for the agent."

It doesn't to me. Simple huh?

I guess to you it implies that he's working for the agent. To me it makes no difference.

Yes I know it makes no difference to you! Therein lies the problem.

Originally Posted by Raymond Wand

I guess to you it implies that he's working for the agent. To me it makes no difference.

Yes I know it makes no difference to you! Therein lies the problem.

I was not referring to his working for the agent as "making no difference" but to what the sign said(It was the subject of your post) Like I said reading comprehension issues again.

I as you work for my client and give a flip about the agent. He will either appreciate the job I an doing for my client or if he doesn't, I'd rather not work with him anyway because he is only concerned with his commission.

Let's not start Raymond. There is no need to get into a match.

HEY. HE HAS A VERY SOFT VOICE. YA THINK?

THATS NON THREATHENING AINT IT?

HE'S ALL SMILIES. ALL THE TIME.

Originally Posted by Ron Bibler

HEY. HE HAS A VERY SOFT VOICE. YA THINK?

THATS NON THREATHENING AINT IT?

HE'S ALL SMILIES. ALL THE TIME.

Do you put on your soft and friendly voice when clients call or your crabby, I didn't get enough sleep voice?

Think about it guys. It's a commercial. Don't want to scare anyone away right off.

Originally Posted by Raymond Wand

... or what he has to say about this:

Court Enters Judgment after InterNACHI Violates Settlement Agreement

Harvey are you there?

They have obtained a judgement.
When they collect a payment, be sure to let us know....

NAHI members should be questioning the expenditure of their limited resources on fruitless & meaningless endeavors.

I am sure NAHI thought it money well spent.

cheers,

What a joke. That guy is dangling from the balls of the local agents.

Originally Posted by Michael Larson

You "men" seem to delight in finding real and or imagined issues to bash others with.

Michael,

Seems to little old me that is exactly what you have been doing whenever you stop by here ...

"finding real and or imagined issues to bash others with"

Maybe you should try contributing some actual knowledge and help?

Or would that strain you too much?

Sheesh!

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Michael,

Seems to little old me that is exactly what you have been doing whenever you stop by here ...

"finding real and or imagined issues to bash others with"

Maybe you should try contributing some actual knowledge and help?

Or would that strain you too much?

Sheesh!

Jerry you must not be reading my posts.

I didn't start the association bashing on this thread. In fact I have not bashed any association.

Many here have extremely bad attitudes when it comes to certain associations.
Don't expect it to go unchallenged.

Michael

Don’t let reality intrude on a good story!

Originally Posted by Michael Larson

Many here have extremely bad attitudes when it comes to certain associations.
Don't expect it to go unchallenged.

Michael,

My point was, and still is, why bother to come here 'just to challenge' posts like that which you don't like.

Why not become a productive member of the board and come here and offer knowledge?

To hard for you, or ???

What's your reason?

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Michael,

My point was, and still is, why bother to come here 'just to challenge' posts like that which you don't like.

Why not become a productive member of the board and come here and offer knowledge?

To hard for you, or ???

What's your reason?

No agenda Jerry.

I am helpful here but your seem convinced otherwise. So be it.

P.S.
I challenged posts with wrong or incomplete information. I think you do the same thing. There is room here is there not?

Originally Posted by Michael Larson

No agenda Jerry.

You seem to have - you basically only post to association related posts.

P.S.
I challenged posts with wrong or incomplete information. I think you do the same thing. There is room here is there not?

Sure there is room here, but why do you basically always only challenge association posts? Why not add technical knowledge?

THAT (association posts) is what your agenda appears to be.

Now, as I asked before "Why not become a productive member of the board and come here and offer knowledge?"

And your answer is ... ?

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

You seem to have - you basically only post to association related posts.



Sure there is room here, but why do you basically always only challenge association posts? Why not add technical knowledge?

THAT (association posts) is what your agenda appears to be.

Now, as I asked before "Why not become a productive member of the board and come here and offer knowledge?"

And your answer is ... ?

Jerry Jerry Jerry,

Your reality is as confused as some others here. Today I have posted mostly on his thread because someone thought it would be funny to pick on some guys commercial and indirectly the association that produced it.

There is nothing wrong with the commercial IMHO so I chose to defend it.

Some comments were just plain silly.

There was a decent interchange of opinions in any case.

Do you have a comment on the commercial that started this thread?

Originally Posted by Aaron Miller

G-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-Z-U-S!

Aaron

I agree. The commercial is in poor taste.

The opening on this one was good, he had me for a minute.

Commercials

Originally Posted by Raymond Wand

The opening on this one was good, he had me for a minute.

Commercials

usually does not take much to get your attention....

Originally Posted by Michael Larson

Do you have a comment on the commercial that started this thread?

Yes, and Joe said it pretty well.

Originally Posted by Joseph P. Hagarty

I agree. The commercial is in poor taste.

I wonder what a commercial Jerry did would look like.

Block one out for us Jerry.

What would you say?

Michael

I think you should do a vidcommercial, you could be dressed as a Tap dancer and dance around the issue of how NACHI accredits their members.

Originally Posted by Raymond Wand

Michael

I think you should do a vidcommercial, you could be dressed as a Tap dancer and dance around the issue of how NACHI accredits their members.

See what I mean Jerry?

Originally Posted by Michael Larson

I wonder what a commercial Jerry did would look like.

Dull and boring.

Either that of have one where the house falls in on the agent when I lean my back against the house with my foot propped up against the siding to explain something to my client.



Remember, when I was in business my yellow page ad, and my website, said "We are your best friend, their realtor's worst nightmare."

Another name besides non-threatening that comes to mind is agents asking if you are a "non-alarmist".

Non-threatening, non-alarmist are realtor talk.

They have replaced some other words too.

Cost or price
Investment, amount

Down payment
Initial Investment, Initial amount

Monthly payment
Monthly investment, monthly amount

Buy
Own

Sell or sold
Get them involved, help them acquire

Deal
Opportunity, transaction

Objection
Area of concern

Problem
Challenge

Pitch
Presentation, demonstration


Size
Approve, endorse, okay, authorize

Originally Posted by Michael Larson

I wonder what a commercial Jerry did would look like.

Block one out for us Jerry.

What would you say?

When your services are sought after, one needs no advertisement.

What a great Business position to be in.
What a Goal to Attain.

HEY THIS DUDE IS A STAR. THE MAN IN THE VIDEO.

HE HIT THE SPOT TODAY. L.O.L.

GIVE HIM THAT. SHOOK ME!!! ALL NIGHT LONG.....

Michael,

For a preview of what my commercial would look like, check-out the front page of my website New Jersey Home Inspection - About the House!

Now, let's get back to the situation at hand. Mr. James Bushart has publicy come out and took a hard stance about inspector/realtor relationships (congrat to him on that issue). I can be wrong here, but I believe that is the 'official' NACHI stance (and probably written into your COE). While marketing to realtors is not prohibited, 'ass-kissing' is. That commercial reeks of ass kissing.
The commercial is directed at realtors; 'our clients', 'non-threathing' etc. I know some inspectors believe they are part of a team that sells a house; the only team you should be part of is you and the buyer and the buyers attorney; everyone else is on the 'other team'.
If, and this is a big if, NACHI's COE committee has an ounce of courage, they would denounce the commercial, remove it from the website and prohibit it from being used. Let's see if Mr. Bushart has that kind of courage!

Michael, I'm not going to continue to argue with you over this poor excuse of advertising, if you can't comprehend the message it sends, then you agree with it and approve of the boot-licking, ass kissing message it sends.

Why, oh why, do you guys persist in picking on Michael? He's a defenseless, one-trick pony. There's no challenge there.

Let him do his little dance every chance he gets, which isn't often.

Aaron

I think the problem is Michael likes to boot lick. Even better when he can lick the boots of James and the ESOP in case he ever needs that "Get out of Jail" card.

Raymond,

With all due respect, I think you're going overboard with your personal attacks against Michael.

Brian asked everyone to stop the personal attacks; maybe you should re-think what you wrote.

Darren

Personal attack? I was trying to be humorous!

Darren:

OK, I'll be rethinking. But, just so we're clear here, should I be thinking the same thing about Michael over and over again? That sort of rethinking?

Actually, I would prefer not to think of Michael at all. Would that do just as well?

Aaron

Michael who?

Good morning gentlemen,

I see it several on one. Well, malcontents often hang to together.

You're all making a fine display of professionalism and clearly displaying your contributions to the home inspection industry.

I do some inspections referred by Realtors but not many as a percentage.

When I do I prefer to be referred by buyers agents who are really looking out for their client and want an inspection that last more than 45 minutes.
You know the type. Walk around and take a check. They are a true disservice to our industry. I hope none of you practice in this manner.

As to the commercial that some think is in poor taste, I simply disagree.

I don't know the gentleman but suspect he has more integrity than you give him credit for. You all seem ready to hang him based solely on his commercial.

My suggestion to all of you is sit down and write your own commercial.
What would you say.
What would be you goal.
How would you deliver it.

Post it hear and we can all critique it.

Originally Posted by Michael Larson

As to the commercial that some think is in poor taste, I simply disagree.

I don't know the gentleman but suspect he has more integrity than you give him credit for. You all seem ready to hang him based solely on his commercial.

I did not suggest that the individual lacked integrity. The commercial is poor in that it may not accurately reflect the service or individual.

Many great products have often engaged in ineffective or poor advertisement campaigns.

Originally Posted by Joseph P. Hagarty

I did not suggest that the individual lacked integrity. The commercial is poor in that it may not accurately reflect the service or individual.

Many great products have often engaged in ineffective or poor advertisement campaigns.

Joe, my comment was not directed solely at you.
Others certainly inferred his lack of integrity by accusing him of sucking up to the Realtors.

Again, It's a commercial not a biography.

This is what happens when you get rookies trying to do their own commercials.

Just how much is NACHI charging for these commercials?

Originally Posted by Raymond Wand

This is what happens when you get rookies trying to do their own commercials.

Just how much is NACHI charging for these commercials?

It's a benefit of membership.
All you have to do is schedule it and show up in Colorado for the shoot.

If thats the case, they need to hire professionals to write, direct and produce the commercials. They certainly are rough fwiw.

To no one in particular:

How would you deliver it.

More artistically, of course.

It's a benefit of membership.

Aaron

Originally Posted by Michael Larson

When I do I prefer to be referred by buyers agents who are really looking out for their client and want an inspection that last more than 45 minutes.
You know the type. Walk around and take a check. They are a true disservice to our industry. I hope none of you practice in this manner.

Actually, I have been known to conduct 30 minute inspections.
When I get down off the roof and I ask MY client the roof needs to be replaced, will that kill the deal? and they say YES!; well, I just pack it in and go home.

This has happened several times in the last couple of years. Did I kill the deal? No, the house killed the deal, I was just the messenger.

Originally Posted by Darren Miller

Actually, I have been known to conduct 30 minute inspections.
When I get down off the roof and I ask MY client the roof needs to be replaced, will that kill the deal? and they say YES!; well, I just pack it in and go home.

This has happened several times in the last couple of years. Did I kill the deal? No, the house killed the deal, I was just the messenger.

Why should the need for a roof replacement "kill" any deal?

The very reason we are hired is to provided a tool our client to renegotiate the deal with the seller.

I was speaking more of the guys who claim to do a full inspection in 45 minutes. The Realtors love them and that's the problem.

Originally Posted by Michael Larson

Why should the need for a roof replacement "kill" any deal?

The very reason we are hired is to provided a tool our client to renegotiate the deal with the seller.

Because many times the buyer has negotiated everything they can get from the seller, and they know the seller will not, in many cases can not, come up with anymore money, thus, the only solutions available to the client are:

1) Pay for it themselves - many times they either will not be able to, or simply will not want to, pay for it themselves.

2) Kill the deal and let the seller take the dog back.

Been there with clients before myself.

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Because many times the buyer has negotiated everything they can get from the seller, and they know the seller will not, in many cases can not, come up with anymore money, thus, the only solutions available to the client are:

1) Pay for it themselves - many times they either will not be able to, or simply will not want to, pay for it themselves.

2) Kill the deal and let the seller take the dog back.

Been there with clients before myself.

I've been there too.
But in the end it usually means the house was over priced for it's condition.
The seller's only hope if the deal is killed is to find a less informed sucker to buy his trash.
Blame the Realtor for agreeing to list the house at a price it isn't worth. To many of them don't care either.