No contempt Jerry. just a little Q. ( What is truth ) ?


Best

Ron

Well thanks then. I will answer it thru someone else.

Warning, its a long one.

What is Truth?

Lying, economy with the truth, spin, statistics and all that...
Tens of millions of words are spoken, printed and broadcast daily. They are the chief means of communication for homo sapiens. The Bible statement that there are many voices in the world(1) is all too true, and this verbal avalanche which descends upon us, whether in the form of advertisements, information, news, entertainment or even government propaganda needs careful assessment. It should all be measured against the truth.
This immediately brings us to one of the greatest questions ever asked What is Truth? It was actually addressed to Jesus by Pontius Pilate when he was examining Him in the Judgement Hall(2) at His trial.
However careless people may be about truth, it must be admitted that truth is the only foundation on which any trust can be built. A recent survey on this question yielded the following result. 40 years ago over 60% of those interviewed were happy to trust people and institutions. That number has now fallen to 30%. (BBC Radio 4).

How shall we define Truth? For starters it could be said that truth is that which agrees with reality and can be believed. For instance if I hold a pencil in my hand and I announce that I am holding a pencil in my hand, it will be the truth because it agrees with reality.

From a theological stance Truth originates from God Who is known as A God of truth and without iniquity(3). The ninth of the ten commandments given by God to Moses prohibits falsehood. It states that you shall not bear false witness(4), and lying is the very antithesis of the truth.

The Bible then goes further to unapologetically identify the Devil as a liar and the father of it(5). The strange thing about lying, although it is going on all the time, the inveterate liar is always regarded as a despicable person!

In reference to Pilate's question to Jesus What is Truth? Jesus had previously stated that He had come to bear witness to the truth(11), and a part of that truth is Holy Scripture. because Jesus in His prayer to the Father He said, Thy Word is truth(7). Seeing that Jesus is known as The Way, The Truth and The Life, we have two highly credible sources of Truth. Jesus and the Bible. He could be regarded as the Bible in person, and the Bible is Jesus in print!

Ultimate issues of course are black and white, but unfortunately contemporary issues are not, we must admit. There are variations of truth, or gray areas as they are sometimes called. Take first

THE DELIBERATE LIE

This is the direct opposite of truth and is universally acknowledged as such. It certainly disagrees with reality, because it flies in the face of the facts, and when discovered stands completely condemned. The teller also loses credibility, and the offence is heightened when committed under oath making it a case of perjury.

Deliberate lies are continually being told in ordinary conversation, business and social contacts, often made easier when the telephone is being used. We're all used to the excuses of the computer breaking down; " the one you dealt with has now left the company" or, "I was at home at the time". etc. etc.

We now look at some of the gray areas, where people become economic with the truth, or only tell part of the story, but the thing is if it does not entirely agree with reality eg what really happened, then it carries a measure of falsehood. Can these 'white lies' ever be justified?

THE MIS-LEADING LIE

This kind of falsehood may be told for very good reasons, sometimes rationalised by suggesting it is the less of two evils. It may be used to safeguard someone from danger or even death. For instance, what if, during the second world war a German Christian decided to shelter a Jew? What would he say if the Gestapo came to his door and asked outright if he was sheltering someone?

There are records in the Bible of mis-leading statements made to save others from danger. In the book of Exodus(6) we read that the Egyptian Pharaoh issued an edict that all Israeli male children should be killed at birth, but the mid-wives feared God and refused to carry out the order and so let the children live. When enquiries were made as to their reason, the mid-wives came up with the story that the Hebrew women were more lively than the Egyptian women and and so the babies were born before they could get there! It is quite possible of course that this was a valid biological fact, but the mid-wives seized on it for their defence.

There was another occasion when Israel sent spies to reconnoitre the land of Canaan prior to the invasion(7). A woman by the name of Rahab gave them accommodation, and when she learned of their mission she hid them on the roof of her house. When a search party came to her door enquiring if they were there, she misled them by saying that they had been there but had departed before the city gates were shut for the night. It is interested to note that Rahab was commended in the New Testament(8) for her help and faith. She was not commended however for the mis-leading statement.

In the New Testament there is a tragic incident recorded in the book of Acts(9) when two of the early Christians by the name of Ananias and Sapphira deliberately deceived the Apostles concerning how much money they had given to the Church as a result of their sale of property. The lie was regarded so seriously that they both lost their lives under the judgement of God. Comparing the New Testament with the Old Testament it obviously shows a greater sensitivity to falsehood.

There are occasions when honest people are questioned directly, and they may not wish to answer for personal reasons, it should be emphasised about telling the truth that no one is obliged to answer a question unless there is a legal reason for doing so. The only trouble with a silent response is that the questioner may very well draw their own conclusions!

The Bible nowhere encourages or commends falsehood and lying, but in extreme situations one can only say that God knows the heart and the reasons for whatever answer one might give, and if falsehood was involved a sincere repentant heart would surely find ready forgiveness.

WHAT ABOUT THE DIPLOMATIC LIE?

This kind of untruth is often used when telling the straight truth might upset others' feelings, or may be used as an excuse when something has been forgotten etc. And what about those who are suffering from terminal illness? The doctor would be sure to inform the family, but how should the patient be told?

There was the case of an old lady who was in this category, but the problem solved itself. She knew the seriousness of her condition, but would not discuss it with her loved ones because she did not want them to get upset. The family also knew her condition but would not discuss it with her lest she should get upset!

In another case there was a lady whose husband was terminally ill, but he didn't realise it. She was afraid to talk about it, and because of this she suffered from a guilt complex. In her situation she was not telling a lie, but felt that she was living a lie.

People differ as to how much they can be told, but there must come a time when honesty must be served. Doctors do not play games with patients, and will at some point convey the position to the sufferer. This is only fair, because everyone should be given the opportunity to get their houses in order, materially and spiritually.

On the lighter side of the diplomatic mis-leaders, there are ways of dealing with situations evasively. Politicians are notorious mis-leaders. They will not answer a question if they feel that it will somehow incriminate them or their party. so the interviewer is treated to some complicated verbiage which sounds very impressive but skips the real answer. One member of Parliament on the BBC TODAY programme was asked the same question eight times.. still to no avail.

What about diplomacy on the domestic front? When the children ask where babies come from, or who is Santa Claus? What if the lady of the house buys a new dress and asks the family's opinion of it? If the observations are not too positive, however diplomatic they are voiced, the lady will read between the lines and sure enough the dress will be on its way back to the shop the next day. We have a friend who bought a very beautiful striking red blouse. When she asked her son what he thought about it, he said "Mum you look as though you're going to play for Manchester United!" Only a son could say that. Perhaps if the family went shopping with mum, they could make a 'united' choice!

There are times when innocent evasion is acceptable such as occasions when a surprise party is being planned etc.

Some years ago a certain drink was being advertised as a drink that reaches parts that no other drink could reach. It was reported that someone made a complaint (possibly frivolously) to the Advertising Standards Agency that the advertisement was not strictly true. The drink could not reach parts that other drinks couldn't. But the objection was dismissed on the grounds that the public knew that it was just a humorous way of advertising and no one was being deceived.

In journalism and radio work I have conducted seminars for would-be writers. It is not a pleasant thing to inform anyone that they are not up to the grade, but it can be done graciously and honestly. It may result in disappointment; after all they had travelled a long way to come to the seminar and they were very enthusiastic to present their efforts. The last thing they need is heavy criticism. In many cases they showed potential and they needed encouragement to continue in their studies, but others, who, with the best of consideration, would obviously not make it, and to pretend that they had a future would, in the long run be unfair to them. If of course we discovered at a later date that we had made a mistake, well, good for them!

EXAGGERATION AND SPIN

Human nature has a tendency to exaggerate, especially if one wants to make an impression, or persuade people. We all know of individuals who are prone to enlarge the facts. The events or folk they are describing are made much more exciting than they really are, and often not a lot of harm is done and we take most of the things they say with the proverbial pinch of salt. It is sad however when their credibility is called into question.
We have now moved into a new area of big-time exaggeration or spin as it is now known. Some newspapers have their own political agenda and will slant their reports accordingly. Truth be told some of us choose the newspapers that best encourage our prejudices!

Government departments and their spokesmen are coming more and more under pressure about their reports. There is talk about documents being 'sexed up' - whatever that means. One of course can understand any spokesman putting a favourable slant on a report, but when it involves deceit, or a deliberate desire to mislead the public, it is high time that the brakes were applied, because when intrigue is eventually discovered - and discovered it usually is - credibility is destroyed and a backlash often follows. The public is neither nor stupid. You can't fool all the people all the time!

A little lad seemed to have his ethics very simple when he said "If you always tell the truth, you never need remember what you have said". And from a higher authority when the Apostle Paul wrote to the Christians at Ephesus he said "Let every man speak truth with his neighbour(10).

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Castle Home Inspection Services
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Dang Ted thats a lone post. did enjoy that.

( What is Truth ) ?

So Ted Do you understand all that ?

The answer is much shorter...

Best

Ron

Oh, let me see.

God is truth

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Ted Menelly
Castle Home Inspection Services
www.inspectmycastle.com

Thanks Ted. Yes God is truth.

But thats not the answer.

Im not trying to play a game with you Ted or David or Jerry.

just trying to help...

If you want to understand conservatives / Christians.

one needs to understand this Q. ( What is Truth ) ?

To Understand progressive/moderate is easy for me.

but for you to understand conservatives / Christians.
Is hard. if not impossible?

Best

Ron

Lordy be!

We need to get back to work and drop all this. Go McCain!

What truly makes this nation great is that we can all have different opinions and rant and rave and still be able to walk down the street and shake each others hands with respect.

If Obama wins I just hope he can at least do one of his outrages claims..........Don't raise my taxes!

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Mike Schulz License 393
Affordable Home Inspections
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COPIED WITH PERMISSION.. long read, but worth the time ..(of course, you Obama kool-aid drinkers will not like it)

Subject: Cory the driller


This letter was written by a man in East Texas as an open letter to Senator Obama. He really does exist and says anyone can email his letter around, just don't change it. If you know someone who holds to the theory that the rich have life easy and need to be taxed more send it to them. This man tells it like it is!


Mr. Obama:

Given the uproar about the simple question asked you by Joe the plumber, and the persecution that has been heaped on him because he dared to question you, I find myself motivated to say a few things to you myself. While Joe aspires to start a business someday, I already have started not one, but 4 businesses. But first, let me introduce myself. You can call me "Cory the well driller". I am a 54 year old high school graduate. I didn't go to college like you, I was too ready to go "conquer the world" when I finished high school. 25 years ago at age 29, I started my own water well drilling business at a time when the economy here in East Texas was in a tailspin from the crash of the early 80's oil boom. I didn't get any help from the government, nor did I look for any. I borrowed what I could from my sister, my uncle, and even the pawn shop and managed to scrape together a homemade drill rig and a few tools to do my first job. My businesses did not start as a result of privilege. They are the result of my personal drive, personal ambition, self discipline, self reliance, and a determination to treat my customers fairly.

From the very start my business provided one other (than myself) East Texan a full time job. I couldn't afford a backhoe the first few years (something every well drilling business had), so I and my helper had to dig the mud pits that are necessary for each and every job with hand shovels. I had to use my 10 year old, 1/2 ton pickup truck for my water tank truck (normally a job for at least a 2 ton truck). A year and a half after I started the business, I scraped together a 20% down payment to get a modest bank loan and bought a (28 year) old, worn out, slightly bigger drilling rig to allow me to drill the deeper water wells in my area. I spent the next few years drilling wells with the rig while simultaneously rebuilding it between jobs.

Through these years I never knew from one month to the next if I would have any work or be able to pay the bills. I got behind on my income taxes one year, and spent the next two years paying that back (with penalty and interest) while keeping up with ongoing taxes. I got behind on my water well supply bill 2 different years (way behind the second time... $80,000.00), and spent over a year paying it back (each time) while continuing to pay for ongoing supplies C.O.D.. Of course, the personal stress endured through these experiences and years is hard to measure. I do have a stent in my heart now to memorialize it all. I spent the next 10 years developing the reputation for being the most competent and most honest water well driller in East Texas. 2 years along the way, I hired another full time employee for the drilling business so that we could provide full time water well pump service as well as the well drilling. Also, 3 years along the path, I bought a water well screen service machine from a friend, starting business # 2. 5 years later I made a business loan for $100,000.00 to build a new, higher production, computer controlled screen service machine. I had designed the machine myself, and it didn't work out for 3 years so I had to make the loan payments without the benefit of any added income from the new machine.

No government program was there to help me with the payments, or to help me sleep at night as I lay awake wondering how I would solve my machine problems or pay my bills. Finally, after 3 years, I got the screen machine working properly, and that provided another full time job for an East Texan in the screen service business. 2 years after that, I made another business loan, this time for $250,000.00, to buy another used drilling rig and all the support equipment needed to run another, larger, drill rig. This provided another 2 full time jobs for East Texans. Again, I spent a couple of years not knowing if I had made a smart move, or a move that would bankrupt me. For the third time in 13 years, I had placed everything I owned on the line, risking everything, in order to build a business. A couple of years into this, I came up with a bright idea for a new kind of mud pump, a fundamentally necessary pump used on water well drill rigs. I spent my entire life savings to date (just $30,000.00), building a prototype of the pump and took it to the national water well convention to show it off. Customers immediately started coming out of the woodworks to buy the pumps, but there was a problem. I had depleted my assets making the prototype, and nobody would make me a business loan to start production of the new pumps. With several deposits for pump orders in hand, and nowhere to go, I finally started applying for as many credit card as I could find and took cash withdrawals on these cards to the tune of over $150,000.00 (including modest loans from my dear sister and brother), to get this 3rd business going.

Yes, once again, I had everything hanging over the line in an effort to start another business. I had never manufactured anything, and I had to design and bring into production a complex hydraulic machine from an untested prototype to a reliable production model (in six months). How many nights I lay awake wondering if I had just made the paramount mistake of my life I cannot tell you, but there were plenty. I managed to get the pumps into production, which immediately created another 2 full time jobs in East Texas. Some of the models in the first year suffered from quality issues due to the poor workmanship of one of my key suppliers, so I and an employee (another East Texan employed) had to drive across the country to repair customers' pumps, practically from coast to coast. I stood behind the product, and made payments to all the credit cards that had financed me (and my brother and sister). I spent the next 5 years improving and refining the product, building a reputation for the pump and the company, working to get the pump into drill rig manufacturers' product lines, and paying back credit cards. During all this time I continued to manage a growing water well business that was now operating 3 drill rig crews, and 2 well service crews. Also, the screen service business continued to grow.

No government programs were there to help me, Mr. Obama, but that's ok, I didn't expect any, nor did I want any. I was too busy fighting to make success happen to sit around waiting for the government to help me. Now, we have been manufacturing the mud pumps for 7 years, my combined businesses employ 32 full time employees, and distribute $5,000,000.00 annually through the local economy. Now, just 4 months ago I borrowed $1,254,000.00, purchasing computer controlled machining equipment to start my 4th business, a production machine shop. The machine shop will serve the mud pump company so that we can better manufacture our pumps that are being shipped worldwide. Of course, the machine shop will also do work for outside companies as well. This has already produced 2 more full time jobs, and 2 more should develop out of it in the next few months. This should work out, but if it doesn't it will be because you, and the other professional politicians like yourself, will have destroyed our countrys' (and the world) economy with your meddling with mortgage loan programs through your liberal manipulation and intimidation of loaning institutions to make sure that unqualified borrowers could get mortgages.

You see, at the very time when I couldn't get a business loan to get my mud pumps into production, you were working with Acorn and the Community Reinvestment Act programs to make sure that unqualified borrowers could buy homes with no down payment, and even no credit or worse yet, bad credit. Even the infamous, liberal, Ninja loans (No Income, No Job or Assets). While these unqualified borrowers were enjoying unrealistically low interest rates, I was paying 22% to 24% interest on the credit cards that I had used to provide me the funds for the mud pump business that has created jobs for more East Texans. It's funny, because after 25 years of turning almost every dime of extra money back into my businesses to grow them, it has been only in the last two years that I have finally made enough money to be able to put a little away for retirement, and now the value of that has dropped 40% because of the policies you and your ilk have perpetrated on our country.

You see, Mr. Obama, I'm the guy you intend to raise taxes on. I'm the guy who has spent 25 years toiling and sweating, fretting and fighting, stressing and risking, to build a business and get ahead. I'm the guy who has been on the very edge of bankruptcy more than a dozen times over the last 25 years, and all the while creating more and more jobs for East Texans who didn't want to take a risk, and would not demand from themselves what I have demanded from myself. I'm the guy you characterize as "the Americans who can afford it the most" that you believe should be taxed more to provide income redistribution "to spread the wealth" to those who have never toiled, sweated, fretted, fought, stressed, or risked anything. You want to characterize me as someone who has enjoyed a life of privilege and who needs to pay a higher percentage of my income than those who have bought into your entitlement culture.

I resent you, Mr. Obama, as I resent all who want to use class warfare as a tool to advance their political career. What's worse, each year more Americans buy into your liberal entitlement culture, and turn to the government for their hope of a better life instead of themselves. Liberals are succeeding through more than 40 years of collaborative effort between the predominant liberal media, and liberal indoctrination programs in the public school systems across our land. What is so terribly sad about this is this. America was made great by people who embraced the one-time American culture of self reliance, self motivation, self determination, self discipline, personal betterment, hard work, risk taking. A culture built around the concept that success was in reach of every able bodied American who would strive for it. Each year that less Americans embrace that culture, we all descend together. We descend down the socialist path that has brought country after country ultimately to bitter and unremarkable states.

If you and your liberal comrades in the media and school systems would spend half as much effort cultivating a culture of can-do across America as you do cultivating your entitlement culture, we could see Americans at large embracing the conviction that they can elevate themselves through personal betterment, personal achievement, and self reliance. You see, when people embrace such ideals, they act on them. When people act on such ideals, they succeed. All of America could find herself elevating instead of deteriorating. But that would eliminate the need for liberal politicians, wouldn't it, Mr. Obama? The country would not need you if the country was convinced that problem solving was best left with individuals instead of the government. You and all your liberal comrades have got a vested interested in creating a dependent class in our country. It is the very business of liberals to create an ever expanding dependence on government. What's remarkable is that you, who have never produced a job in your life, are going to tax me to take more of my money and give it to people who wouldn't need my money if they would get off their entitlement mentality asses and apply themselves at work, demand more from themselves, and quit looking to liberal politicians to raise their station in life.

You see, I know because I've had them work for me before. Hundreds of them over these 25 years. People who simply will not show up to work on time. People who just will not work 5 days in a week, much less, 6 days. People always looking for a way to put less effort out. People who actually tell me that they would do more if I just would first pay them more. People who take off work to sit in government offices to apply to get free government handouts (gee, I wonder how things would have turned out for them if they had spent that time earning money and pleasing their employer?). You see, all of this comes from your entitlement mentality culture.

Oh, I know you will say I am uncompassionate. Sorry, Mr. Obama, wrong again. You see, I've seen what the average percentage of your income has been given to charities over the years of 2000 to 2004 (ignoring the years you started running for office - can you pronounce "politically motivated"), you averaged less than 1% annually. And your running mate, Joe Biden, averaged less than ¼% of his annual income in charitable contributions over the last 10 years. Like so many liberals, the two of you want to give to the needy, just as long as it is someone else's money you are giving to them. I won't say what I have given to charities over the last 25 years, but the percentage is several times more than you and Joe Biden. combined (don't you just hate google?). Tell me again how you feel my pain.

In short, Mr. Obama, your political philosophies represent everything that is wrong with our country. You represent the culture of government dependence instead of self reliance; Entitlement mentality instead of personal achievement; Penalization of the successful to reward the unmotivated; Political correctness instead of open mindedness and open debate. If you are successful, you may preside over the final transformation of America from being the greatest and most self-reliant culture on earth, to just another country of whiners and wimps, who sit around looking to the government to solve their problems. Like all of western Europe. All countries on the decline. All countries that, because of liberal socialistic mentalities, have a little less to offer mankind every year.

God help us,

Cory Miller (Just an ordinary, extraordinary American, the way a lot of Americans used to be.)

P.S. Yes, Mr. Obama, I am a real American... C. Miller Drilling <http://www.cmillerdrilling.com/>

Ron,

Correct. That is not the answer.

Is suspect Ted was 'funnin' with you' because you only listen to what you want to hear (read). Ted will correct me if I am wrong. And, because that is all you wanted the hear (read), then you would carry on until you got what you wanted.

God is NOT "truth". "god" is "fable", verbal and written stories passed down throughout history by many different peoples. It is simply a history of how they tried to explain natural phenomena for which they had no knowledge of and no way to explain, other than some "god" 'did it', 'took care of it', etc..

To understand "What is Truth?" one must first be willing to set aside their prejudices and preconceptions and open their minds to all potentials. ONLY THEN can one discover what "Truth" really is.

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Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
Construction Litigation Consultants, LLC ( www.ConstructionLitigationConsultants.com )
www.AskCodeMan.com

Ralph,

I could waste more time and space on Brian's server by simply copying McCain's record and claims for the last umpteen years here, and ... (of course, you McCain kool-aid drinkers would not like it at all ... to be reminded of what he really is) ...

So I won't.

I respect the time of the other members here more than to bother them with that drivel.

You will never convince anyone but a McCain kool-aid-drinker that you are right, and, after Tuesday ... ... that may be nothing more than barroom talk.

You know, talking about that great recovery and 8 years under that Obama person, and 4 years with Hilary as Vive President so she could be prepped and ready for 8 years of Hillary as President to follow that 8 years of Obama - and how are you going to recover from 16 years of prosperity which went against all of your beliefs and understandings.

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Construction Litigation Consultants, LLC ( www.ConstructionLitigationConsultants.com )
www.AskCodeMan.com

Sorry Jerry thats not the answer.

Best

Ron

Sorry Ron, that *IS* the answer.

Anything else and you are just kidding yourself, deluding yourself, based on your own beliefs.

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Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
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www.AskCodeMan.com

Jerry you state that like its the end all fact. In order for you to say that you would need to be GOD. Only then would you know all things. I don't think you know every thing about every thing...

You have had 3 trys at this little Q. And you have been wrong 3 times...

Q. ( What is truth ) ?

Best

Ron

Ron

Asking "what is truth' with out a context to go by is almost like asking "What is Love"

Depending on the context or ones particular feelings and emotions are at a particular time "What is Truth" could mean there is no truth!

I have watched shows where the question was "What is Love" Everyone had a different understanding and meaning.

Truth is ones belief. Truth is upbringing. Truth is compassion. Truth is just ones belief in a particular subject matter. Truth is Love.

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Ted Menelly
Castle Home Inspection Services
www.inspectmycastle.com

OK Ron

Times up. The buzzer whent off and everyone is not sure of the answer and not coming back with an answer//


Fess up.

"What is Truth"

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Ted Menelly
Castle Home Inspection Services
www.inspectmycastle.com

What IS Truth??

The whole matter depends on "What the meaning of IS IS."

OK JP, you finally admitted it.. You are an atheist. NO GOD, excepting for yourself. I'll be praying for you, as I did this morning while I was "repenting" in the church of my "choice."

As far as "wasting time..... (As you yourself have previously posted, "This is the non-techincal area of the forum, where any (ANY) subject can be discussed.")
As long as it's not banned by the terms/code of conduct set forth by the owner. I see no one holding a gun to your head making you read the posts and then you, yourself "wasting" others time by *your self proclaimed godship* ravings. (ie: No one is ever correct except for me(meaning you "JP".) If they have the temerity to question me, then they are stupid, idiots, low life , ignorant, God clinging, dumb, useless, uneducated, hard headed, intolerant, waste of humanity.

You still haven't addressed my question of "Why do you stoop to name calling?"

(I don't have time to go back and read all the names you have called people here, but if you were to check some of your previous 17,000 posts, (I'm duly impressed) and read what you said, you might get an idea that your people skills are severely lacking.)(OR NOT!!)

Just remember,
God has His eye on you. He has kept you from hurting yourself many times in the past.

He still loves you and wants the best for you.
I, also, wish you the best. My heart hurts for you.
That's the only reason I keep trying to get through to you.


Phil 4:13 (for the non Bible readers, "I can do all things through Him that strengthens me."
Ralph

Edit note: Sorry I have to keep editing for typos. I only attended Yale University. (Guess that puts me in the same uneducated league as PRESIDENT George Bush)

Anyone know the price of rice in China?

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Scott Patterson
Spring Hill, TN
http://www.traceinspections.com

Anyone know the price of rice in China?

Like everything else, it's gone down since the olympics.

Nice post Ralph,
It's funny how the liberals glossed right over it and ignored it's message. They dispute it but can't say it's not true. Blind sheep to the slaughter house.

I only have one Inspection lined up this week so far. Would you liberals please send me some money. Email me and I will give you my address.

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Mike Schulz License 393
Affordable Home Inspections
www.houseinspections.com

Ralph,

Your post is a pathetic attempt to justify your own beliefs, push them onto others, and make you think you are not doing either.

If that is what you need, go for it.

Your insistence that YOUR god has to forgive others is your way of NOT ACCEPTING your limitations regarding your religious choice and beliefs.

So be it.

Mike Schulz is in the same position as you are, based on his post.

When you grow up and get ideas and understandings of your own, you will be able to relate to, and accept, the positions of others.

Cheers, guys.

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Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
Construction Litigation Consultants, LLC ( www.ConstructionLitigationConsultants.com )
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Scott,

Ummm ... well, that was one way to try to re-direct this thread ...

How about the price of rice in China as it relates to the price of rice of the US?

We could discuss that at length.

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Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
Construction Litigation Consultants, LLC ( www.ConstructionLitigationConsultants.com )
www.AskCodeMan.com

Jerry my post was in reference to the Miller drilling. I said it before that people can believe in what ever God they choose. It doesn't matter to me. I personally have my own beliefs and it's not the traditional ones. Don't drag me into Ralph's and your dispute..........

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Mike Schulz License 393
Affordable Home Inspections
www.houseinspections.com

Jerry,

Are you making the case that only Atheist's are allowed to display the disrespect and contempt you show here on a regular basis?

Let's also not for get the the concept of God has been on our coinage for well over a century.

History of 'In God We Trust'

Hi Guys,

Sorry to but in. I just wanted to say....

PLEASE be sure to vote tomorrow, make sure all your voting age family and friends do to.

I know who I'm voting for, but will keep that to myself.

Have a great day!

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Dave Hill
Buyers & Sellers Property Inspections LLC
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Mike,

My apologies, I thought you were referencing *the other* part of his post.

Sorry.

"I personally have my own beliefs and it's not the traditional ones."

Define "traditional"?

"Traditional" to whom? Hindus? Muslims? Buddhas? Christians of which faith and denomination? (That last part should say more than is enough to answer their questions.)

Maybe your beliefs ARE "traditional"?

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Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
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Michael,

There you go, picking up on something SOMEONE ELSE said ... thus, you will have to ASK THEM for those answers.

Remember, if you do not read all the posts all the way through, you are likely to (as you just did) repeat something said by others and attribute it to another ...

Peace, Love, and ... put that tie-dye down!

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Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
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Jerry,

It's obvious to most that you were ridiculing Ron's belief.

And that YOU accused him of lack of respect for others and of hypocrisy.

It is my opinion that you show disrespect toward others here often, whether you are an Atheist or not.

I think most here can see that regardless of their beliefs.

But hey, it's only my opinion so I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.

I need to change this posting to "spread the word" not "spread the wealth"

To all of you that posted thanks for your input. It is good to vent among friends.

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Mike Schulz License 393
Affordable Home Inspections
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Then it is obvious that you are clueless.

I am pointing out Ron's preaching to others instead of doing what he professes to be - THAT is what is obvious to others.[/quote]

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Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
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And your response to my calling you out on your own lack of respect and hypocrisy?

You remain strangely silent.

Michael,

Like much of what you write ... it simply was not worth responding to.

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Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
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JP.
At no time have I ever tried to RAM anything down anyone"s throat.. I have only expressed my opinion and my beliefs, of which you are very disrespectful and show disdain toward. As I have said before and will again so you can READ-IT-AGAIN>> *YOU-ARE-FREE-TO--BELIEVE-WHATEVER-YOU-WISH.* (no matter how wrong it is)
It seems to strike a nerve with you whenever someone shares their personal beliefs. Do I sense some self doubt??

But, it is my right to express my opinion, whether you think so or not. (Americans still have the right to Freedom of speech.. (up till now anyway.)

Still no response to "*name calling"*


When I "*grow up*", I hope I have more respect for others beliefs than you do.

My "mission" in life is to "go unto the uttermost parts of the earth and make disciples as I go."

I have *faced* tougher critics than you, many times.
But, at least, they were courteous and polite.
One even told me. *"You can talk till you're blue in the face. I'm not going to change my mind." But he was nice about it. Didn't call names and deride my convictions.

BTW< you don't have to copy and repeat my posts and waste Brians valuable space. I know what I said.

NAME CALLING???????? Awaiting an answer...

(Oh, I guess that's another one that doesn't deserve a response.)

GOD LOVES YOU>>>>

Signed..
Ralphy Baby...Jehovah's servant..

I agree with Ted on the flat tax rate and no deductions. How about Ted for President?

And ... HOPEFULLY ... more than you do now, certainly more than you are showing in that post.

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Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
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"What is truth?"
Wasn't that what Pilate asked Jesus before he was crucified?

Doesn't pilate sell that exercize stuff?

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Jerry McCarthy
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I just said the same thing in another thread. I feel sorry for Obama becoming President elect. I would feel sorry for anyone that became president at the particular time.

Hey, I am Catholic. Do you feel sorry for me?

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Ted Menelly
Castle Home Inspection Services
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Pontius Pilate - you moron.

Moron.... Isn't that the Saint that visited Joseph Smith and led to the forming of the church of latter day saints?

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"Pontius Pilate - you moron."

Oh, that one!
A rock group from the 60's / 70's.
Pontius pilate and the nail driving nine.