Thread: Not a P-trap

So, I know what p-traps, s-traps, drum traps and running traps are. But, what the heck do you call this????

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I call it "The Art of Plumbing" - and who ever did this get's a standing O from me. Functional Yet beautiful

Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist

So, I know what p-traps, s-traps, drum traps and running traps are. But, what the heck do you call this????

My first thought was "ART". Something to behold.

What are the extra supply lines off of the valves going to?

Sprial trap? Looks like it meets all criteria of a P-trap. Thanks for sharing it.

That’s a plumber's heart trap, so the wife knows how appreciated she is when cleaning, think I hear a frying pan whistling through the air…

Originally Posted by Mike Kleisch

That’s a plumber's heart trap, so the wife knows how appreciated she is when cleaning, think I hear a frying pan whistling through the air…

I would duck or at least make sure the dog house was big enough for you too

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Originally Posted by Mike Kleisch

That’s a plumber's heart trap, so the wife knows how appreciated she is when cleaning, think I hear a frying pan whistling through the air…

I would duck or at least make sure the dog house was big enough for you too

Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist

So, I know what p-traps, s-traps, drum traps and running traps are. But, what the heck do you call this????

Looks like a music trap to me.

That would be your standard variety Q trap.

Artistic for an open undercounter view. All done in brass. No way to disassemble it when you got a clog in it so it is a real "_itch" to clean. Basically a "P trap" sideways and then connected to the drain line.
Sure makes the faucet lines look "plain Jane"

The plumber had "Time on his hands" for this is gonna be a "witch" to replace as nothing like that is sold.

Maybe he does not know the alphabet. So it could be GREEK for "P"

The person who did that is a musician. S/he created a "treble clef trap."

Obviously the very rare "Pretzel" trap in the wild.

Must be an @ trap.

Originally Posted by Dwight Doane

Functional ...

I dunno ... looks like it could suffer from the problems that an 'S' trap suffers from, for the same reasons ... that curls up and dumps down into the wall arm, which is effectively what an 'S' trap doe (except the 'S' trap continues down into the floor, but once the water is up to, and over the top - I doubt there is much difference from an 'S' trap.

My first thought was that of the music clef too, glad to see that I was not alone in seeing that.

You people need to get out more "_" That is the world famous sheep horn trap.

Nautilus trap

Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist

So, I know what p-traps, s-traps, drum traps and running traps are. But, what the heck do you call this????

Gunnar, this is interesting... What kind of building did you find it in and were there any other creative "items" in it?

I will have to admit that style trap is a first for me.

I did not actually inspect the house, so I don't know what other oddities it held. I was in upstate N.Y. at the time for my daughter's college graduation. It is in the Vanderbilt mansion in Hyde Park. I just thought I need to take a pic and share it with the board.

I suspect Mrs. Vanderbilt did not care about how easy it was to clean or if it ever clogged. She had a small army of 30+ servants to make sure everything worked perfectly.

Originally Posted by Mike Kleisch

That’s a plumber's heart trap, so the wife knows how appreciated she is when cleaning, think I hear a frying pan whistling through the air…

It's a gots yea trap
Gots yea thinking
Good

That is a vintage manufactured brass S-trap for a sink or lavatory. If original or early replacement it would have originally been plated with chrome if in a service area (kitchen/scullery/sink closet/laundry/gen servants' hall) or more likely silver,, if it was at the Vanderbilt Hyde Park mansion.

See vintage catalogs 1896 through about 1910-ish.

The cleanout was standard, as it was also with the U-trap.

Chrome or Silver? How about Nickel?

Gunnar, thanks, that explains the lack of flash.
You couldn't resist inspecting the Vanderbilt's plumbing, eh?

Originally Posted by John Kogel

Chrome or Silver? How about Nickel?

Yes, really, Silver plated brass for the exposed drain & trap plumbing except for some of the service areas, where it was indeed nickel plated, I can't explain why I typed Chrome since there is no evidence a chromium layer was plated over the nickel (brain glitch while typing) plating. Thanks for catching that John.

From: p. 206 (234 of 487) Vanderbilt Mansion A Gilded-Age Country Place; Vanderbilt Mansion, National Historic Site, Historic Resource Study; Albee P., Berger M. Foulds, H.E., et al, 2000; National Park Service, Northeast Museum Services Center, Boston, Mass. 2008.

Originally Posted by NPS Historic Reserve Study

...Fixtures had exposed silver-plated brass pipes in the formal ares of the house, and nickel-plated in the service areas.

The supplier for the bathtubs and sinks throughout the house was Meyer Sniffen Co., with the exception of Mr. Vanderbilt's tub, which came from Rufford and Company. The faucets, traps, and other hardware also came from Meyer Sniffen.

Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist

I did not actually inspect the house, so I don't know what other oddities it held.

Gunnar,
You might enjoy the report referenced above. The original water distribution system was interesting, as was the proliferation of shower baths, amongst other areas which might be of interest.
Here is a link: http://www.nps.gov/history/history/online_books/vama/vama_hrs.pdf

Originally Posted by Gunnar Alquist

It is in the Vanderbilt mansion in Hyde Park.

George Vanderbilt built a huge mansion in Ashville TN, same family ?
I know was famous for using many new things at the time, like the plumbing.

Originally Posted by Mike Clarke

George Vanderbilt built a huge mansion in Ashville TN, same family ?
I know was famous for using many new things at the time, like the plumbing.

I've been through their place in Ashville, yes, same people, if anyone is going near Ashville, I highly recommend going through that place - it is amazing ... even more so today because of what they were able to do 'back then'.

They also built a huge place in Florida to 'winter in', I don't recall how often they used it though.

With money like they had, if you wanted something and it was not available, you found a person smart enough to design what you wanted and build it.

Originally Posted by John Kogel

Gunnar, thanks, that explains the lack of flash.

John, yes. They don't allow use of a flash because they say it will fade the fabrics.

Originally Posted by John Kogel

You couldn't resist inspecting the Vanderbilt's plumbing, eh?

Oh, like you don't notice improper handrails, stairs or lack of smoke alarms when you go to people's houses!

Originally Posted by H.G. Watson, Sr.

Gunnar,
You might enjoy the report referenced above. The original water distribution system was interesting, as was the proliferation of shower baths, amongst other areas which might be of interest.
Here is a link: http://www.nps.gov/history/history/online_books/vama/vama_hrs.pdf

Thanks H.G. It does look interesting. Certainly time-consuming.

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One unrelated thing that I noticed. While, as Jerry indicated, money can buy you many things that are uncommon and useful. However, the decor was amazingly gaudy. Clearly, money cannot buy taste or class.

Cleaned up pic for ya

circletrap2.jpg

Ron,

Thanks for going to Hyde Park and retaking the photo for me. It's amazing how similar it is to mine!

That is an "Apestaart" Trap - Dutch for "monkey's tail" also one of the terms used for the @ Symbol. Also could be one of these below
snabel - Danish for "elephant's trunk"
kissanhnta - Finnish for "cat's tail"
klammeraffe - German for "hanging monkey"
kukac - Hungarian for "worm"
dalphaengi - Korean for "snail"
grisehale - Norwegian for "pig's tail"
sobachka - Russian for "little dog"

Rotate that image to the right, and you will see it is a "G" trap.

Originally Posted by Larry Morrison

That is an "Apestaart" Trap - Dutch for "monkey's tail" also one of the terms used for the @ Symbol. Also could be one of these below
snabel - Danish for "elephant's trunk"
kissanhnta - Finnish for "cat's tail"
klammeraffe - German for "hanging monkey"
kukac - Hungarian for "worm"
dalphaengi - Korean for "snail"
grisehale - Norwegian for "pig's tail"
sobachka - Russian for "little dog"

Originally Posted by Jimmy Roberts

Rotate that image to the right, and you will see it is a "G" trap.

Okay ... somebody has to say it, so here goes ... we know that is for a sink (Lavatory) and not a urinal, therefore (ugh! ) we know it is *not* a "P"-trap ... just like Gunnar said in the title to the thread.