Results 1 to 7 of 7
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Santa Rosa, CA
    Posts
    2,478

    Default Funky Stall Shower

    From yesterday afternoon's inspection. Mid 1980s tract house. Nothing remarkable... until I wandered into the bathroom.

    Master bathroom stall shower was odd. Tile surround with a tile pan, LOTS of caulk at the lower corners and a funky (but not necessarily problematic) faucet setup. Then I noticed two drain screens. The interior of the drain looks like the type of drain associated with a fiberglass pan. When I got underneath, there was a square hole in the plywood under the shower, expanded metal lath with some kind of mortar or thinset above the lath, and a plastic drain fitting. The drain fitting is not the type associated with a tile pan (I'm blanking on the name of that fitting), but looks like a fiberglass shower pan drain fitting.

    I did fill the pan with water while I was in the bathroom and pulled-back the insulation below the shower when I was in the foundation crawlspace area, but found no leaking at the shower drain or the pan area. There were dry stains on the p-trap though.

    My thought is someone tiled over the fiberglass pan (or maybe a terrazzo pan?) and the grout failed at the corners due to flexing of the fiberglass. No loose sounding tile when I tapped, but maybe the mastic held. I let the buyer know this is a nonstandard installation that will likely fail and that's essentially what I will put in the report.

    Just wondering if anyone has any additional thoughts.


    ***IMPORTANT*** You Need To Register To View Images ***IMPORTANT*** You Need To Register To View Images
    Inspection Referral SOC
    Department of Redundancy Department
    http://www.FullCircleInspect.com/

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Ormond Beach, Florida
    Posts
    26,246

    Default Re: Funky Stall Shower

    Gunnar,

    The photo of the drain looks like there is a hair strainer below the hair strainer. I've seen that a few times - it is an indication that the floor (at least the floor) was tiled over by someone who did not know what they were doing.

    If they tiled over it to fix a leaking shower pan, which is usually the reason, then it is still leaking. If they tiled over it for some other reason ... then they just did it all wrong.

    The photo from below is showing expanded metal lath which was laid across the cut out with either thin set or a mud bed laid down for tile, probably the first layer of tile, the layer without a shower pan liner and which leaked (for obvious reasons - liner).

    Looks like a good candidate for complete R&R.

    Jerry Peck, Construction / Litigation Consultant
    Construction Litigation Consultants, LLC ( www.ConstructionLitigationConsultants.com )
    www.AskCodeMan.com

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Santa Rosa, CA
    Posts
    2,478

    Default Re: Funky Stall Shower

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Peck View Post
    Gunnar,

    The photo of the drain looks like there is a hair strainer below the hair strainer. I've seen that a few times - it is an indication that the floor (at least the floor) was tiled over by someone who did not know what they were doing.

    If they tiled over it to fix a leaking shower pan, which is usually the reason, then it is still leaking. If they tiled over it for some other reason ... then they just did it all wrong.

    The photo from below is showing expanded metal lath which was laid across the cut out with either thin set or a mud bed laid down for tile, probably the first layer of tile, the layer without a shower pan liner and which leaked (for obvious reasons - liner).

    Looks like a good candidate for complete R&R.
    Jerry,

    Thanks for your input. I would agree with your last two paragraphs, except there was no sign of leaking on the subfloor sheathing under this area and no sign of past structural repairs. I had to pull-back insulation, which limited my ability to see, but found no stains.

    I agree that it is tile over another shower pan, but am thinking that it is tile over a molded fiberglass pan. This might explain the caulking (to cover the cracked grout because the fiberglass flexes) as well as the plastic drain fitting under the shower.

    For the life of me, I cannot figure out the expanded metal lath and mortar under the shower, unless they set a fiberglass pan in mortar to try to prevent the fiberglass from flexing and cracking the tile/grout.

    Department of Redundancy Department
    http://www.FullCircleInspect.com/

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Columbus GA
    Posts
    3,746

    Default Re: Funky Stall Shower

    Too many question
    I would recommend a flooded shower pan test.

    ' correct a wise man and you gain a friend... correct a fool and he'll bloody your nose'.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Santa Rosa, CA
    Posts
    2,478

    Default Re: Funky Stall Shower

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Cantrell View Post
    Too many question
    I would recommend a flooded shower pan test.
    Rick,

    Did that (see first post). Or, more accurately, I filled the pan and then drained it. Not an extended test as that is typically done by the pest inspector, but if there was a leak, it would likely have showed-up. Pan was holding water for probably 5 minutes. Not a true test, but...

    Department of Redundancy Department
    http://www.FullCircleInspect.com/

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Utah
    Posts
    389

    Red face Re: Funky Stall Shower

    Interesting installation for sure. If it isn't leaking I would call it creative construction (CC) and leave it at that. Unless you know exactly what was going on and the installers thought process you can no more say it will leak in the future (due to the CC) than you can say it will someday catch fire.

    Either could happen BTW.




  7. #7
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Bennett (Denver metro), Colorado
    Posts
    1,394

    Default Re: Funky Stall Shower

    I think you covered it when you told the buyers that it was a nonstandard installation and likely to fail. Some nonstandard installations are creative and cutting edge, but usually they are done in ignorance or just to cut corners.

    If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •