Thread: CSST Bonding Specifications Timeline

Is anyone aware of the existence of a definitive bonding specifications timeline for CSST?

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I don't know about "specifications" but Lubbock started requiring the ground bond in 2007. I am unaware of any definitive or official "bond CSST now" deadline.

The official 'timeline' would be the earliest of:
- a requirement in the code
- a requirement in the manufacturer's installation instructions

We usually have WardFlex here, if we have CSST. My document that I use has a date of Sept. 2008.

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

The official 'timeline' would be the earliest of:
- a requirement in the code
- a requirement in the manufacturer's installation instructions

I did not use quotation marks for the term timeline because it does not require them. I meant it literally as it is most often defined as a table listing important events for successive years within a particular historical period. Events over successive years include more than just a beginning point, last time I looked.

Thus, a definitive timeline of bonding specifications would necessarily have more than just one code requirement. As codes change over time so do their stated requirements. A timeline (or time line, if you wish) includes multiple events over a span of time. But then, you knew all that, right? Ever the instigator, Peck.

So then, from its introduction to this country in around 1990 through the present, the bonding specifications for this material have changed. I am attempting to piece together a chronological list of those changes in the writing of a paper I intend to submit to the Texas Congress, TDI, TREC, et al. I was actually hoping to find some info here, and not a debate.

But, I am always prepared for one when I come here . . .

I don't know of specific time line but from memory there was a 5 year period of class action funding for bonding retrofit that had expired or was about to expire around the time I found out about the problem with CSST around 2005-2007 (again this is from memory, which is very fallible these days.)

This from http://triblive.com/business/headlin...nless-lawsuits

From 1996 to August 2011, 141 fires involving lightning and corrugated stainless steel tubing were reported in the United States, according to a report by the Fire Protection Foundation of Quincy, Mass., cited in the lawsuits.
There have been other class-action lawsuits nationwide. One in Arkansas in 2004 against Titeflex and other manufacturers was settled with Titeflex agreeing to pay for installation of a lightning protection system or grounding of its product, according to the lawsuit.

Another interesting bit of history although not a direct answer to your question.
http://www.selectinspect.com/pdf/FRI...pipe%20ban.pdf

Another bit of info with useable references on the subject
http://lightning.org/wp-content/uplo...rgan-CSSTs.pdf

Originally Posted by Jim Luttrall

I don't know of specific time line but from memory there was a 5 year period of class action funding for bonding retrofit that had expired or was about to expire around the time I found out about the problem with CSST around 2005-2007 (again this is from memory, which is very fallible these days.)

This from http://triblive.com/business/headlin...nless-lawsuits


Another interesting bit of history although not a direct answer to your question.
http://www.selectinspect.com/pdf/FRI...pipe%20ban.pdf

Another bit of info with useable references on the subject
http://lightning.org/wp-content/uplo...rgan-CSSTs.pdf

Jim:

All useful information. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Aaron Miller

So then, from its introduction to this country in around 1990 through the present, the bonding specifications for this material have changed. I am attempting to piece together a chronological list of those changes in the writing of a paper I intend to submit to the Texas Congress, TDI, TREC, et al. I was actually hoping to find some info here, and not a debate.

But, I am always prepared for one when I come here . . .

Had you stated what your stated purpose was, writing an article versus information for an inspection, then we would have understood your intended use of the term timeline - there is a difference between a timeline for one specific installation and a timeline for bonding requirements since introduction.

Always willing to reply with the information asked for ... when that information is known, which includes the use of that information.

Originally Posted by Jerry Peck

Had you stated what your stated purpose was, writing an article versus information for an inspection, then we would have understood your intended use of the term timeline - there is a difference between a timeline for one specific installation and a timeline for bonding requirements since introduction.

Always willing to reply with the information asked for ... when that information is known, which includes the use of that information.

Classic Peckian logic.