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    Default Unknown plumbing device

    Require some help. This ABS DWV pipe device.
    Any help would be appreciated.
    I have not Googled the label.
    dwv.JPG
    Much thanks.

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    Something to create a flex joint?????
    Has that funny language all over it, like they just don't want you to know what it is....
    Just speak English so I can hear you....eh......

    Tooooo much on you plate???? Yet you have time to post here,,,,hummmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Sorrells View Post
    Something to create a flex joint?????
    Has that funny language all over it, like they just don't want you to know what it is....
    Just speak English so I can hear you....eh......
    .
    Not a couple or adapter. certainly not a flex pipe. It is rigid.
    That funny language all over it is French and English.
    It looks like a log home plumbing expansion joint or expansion seal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Sorrells View Post
    Tooooo much on you plate???? Yet you have time to post here,,,,hummmm
    Yes. I have a physical condition. I make lemonade from lemons. You should try it for a week and tell me how you do. Be interesting to say the least.

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    Thanks, I found it Jerry.
    The Manufacturer was not the issue. IMO there website is not product friendly.
    I am going to measure their SEO.

    I found the vent in ABS but it took several minutes.

    That being said; in my opinion, there's something terribly wrong when a simple question can not be answered and explained. Even if the terminology was not optimal or phrased incorrectly, I thought the members here were professionals.

    I thought I posted my question correctly. ABS DWV, or Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene (ABS) drain waste vents can be wet or dry, run vertically or horizontally. Hmmm?

    Tomorrow I will be doing an inspection for a plumbing engineer and will show him my post.
    Hydrothermic research and energy transfer is his specialty. As well, an inventor.
    I will ask how would he phase the question.

    The referral came from my interaction on InterNACHI MB. He is a paid member and follows MB posts.

    I have seen (10) ten members join InspectionNews over the past few months. Many have great resources to share yet I have not seen one post. maybe there skin is not thick enough yet to put up with the Trumpest's.
    Out of all you ASHI members, how many introduced themselves?
    Too bad.
    So, sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROBERT YOUNG View Post
    That being said; in my opinion, there's something terribly wrong when a simple question can not be answered and explained. Even if the terminology was not optimal or phrased incorrectly, I thought the members here were professionals.

    I thought I posted my question correctly. ABS DWV, or Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene (ABS) drain waste vents can be wet or dry, run vertically or horizontally. Hmmm?

    You asked for help with a pipe, someone pointed you the web site (by your own admission, you didn't take the time to "google" it), and you're unhappy?

    And FWIW, you really didn't post a clear question at all.

    Frankly, for the record, I avoid your posts since you like to babble on and on about association bias.

    Dom.


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    What Dom said, except I read all posts (okay, maybe "almost all" posts).

    You asked for help, I found the manufacturer and their website, I didn't find what was in your photo - I figured that you could send them your photo and they could tell you what it was.

    I didn't realize you expected me to do that for you ...

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    Not to pile on, but it is a poor photo of a half readable label. Not much to look at.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ROBERT YOUNG View Post
    ..............

    maybe there skin is not thick enough yet to put up with the Trumpest's.

    So, sad.
    Robert,
    For someone who consistently asks others to do his homework, you then their replies as incomplete, when your association members will not answer your questions at all. There is something wrong with this picture.

    You definitely should work on better describing what you have questions about.

    As for mew members to the forum that do not post, it is probably due to them being a bit shy and a waiting period before they they will jump into the discussions. Many are just observers/onlookers and researchers of different topics.

    As for lemonade, I prefer to make a Whisky Sour.


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    http://www.canplas.com/ct_product/213813bbc/

    Looks like an expansion joint. I've never sold one like that. They're generally a rubber Fernco style, which is what we sell. A "big picture" shot can help with identifying the function of something unknown, to put it in context, if you will.

    Regarding some of the other discussion, I've been on this forum for years, but rarely post. I'm not an inspector, I run a plumbing wholesale shop (a Winnelson, part of Winsupply). Some people might be joining just to be able to see the pictures. I'm here to learn, and occasionally share some knowledge.

    Plus, some of the back and forth between members is entertaining...What ever happened to HG?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Truesdale View Post
    What ever happened to HG?
    He Gone (HG)

    Don't know where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom D'Agostino View Post
    You asked for help with a pipe, someone pointed you the web site (by your own admission, you didn't take the time to "google" it), and you're unhappy?

    And FWIW, you really didn't post a clear question at all.

    Frankly, for the record, I avoid your posts since you like to babble on and on about association bias.

    Dom.
    Great minds think alike.
    As I avoid yours.


    Not the best image but the question is clear enough.
    Mr. Truesdale answered the post. "I've never sold one like that."
    Well nor have I Dom, so I asked.

    Professionals avoid remarks such as your.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Sorrells View Post
    Robert,
    For someone who consistently asks others to do his homework, you then their replies as incomplete, when your association members will not answer your questions at all. There is something wrong with this picture.

    You definitely should work on better describing what you have questions about.

    As for mew members to the forum that do not post, it is probably due to them being a bit shy and a waiting period before they they will jump into the discussions. Many are just observers/onlookers and researchers of different topics.

    As for lemonade, I prefer to make a Whisky Sour.
    You are quite the comedian.
    Asking questions is not due to lack homework and I can make the same comparison helping others, BUT DON't.
    I rather act professional.
    And your excuse is?
    Oh yes, I forgot... Whisky.
    Been sober 20 plus years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROBERT YOUNG View Post
    Professionals avoid remarks such as your.
    Then, as a professional, perhaps you can filter your own over the top pontifications once in a while.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom D'Agostino View Post
    Then, as a professional, perhaps you can filter your own over the top pontifications once in a while.
    I will try my best.
    As a human, I do make errors and do admit, I am not prefect.
    Best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Reinmiller View Post
    Not to pile on, but it is a poor photo of a half readable label. Not much to look at.
    You are not piling on. That image was the best I could offer.
    Sorry all.

    I though it was a flex pipe. The type you would see used for DWV waste venting in log homes.
    The odd thing was the home was tradition platform framed on a concrete foundation.

    Much of the waste plumbing has been manipulated by an amateur. The basement had a sewer odor.

    flex pipe.JPG Plumbing expansion joint ABS (Log Home Store)

    Thanks Mark.
    Best.

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    I found it strange that those are called "expansion joints" when they are advertised, installed, and used as "compression joints".

    "Perm o seal expansion joints ensure for proper compression/settling in your plumbing pipes as the log walls settle."


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    You bring up a good point. Expansion or compression???

    Expansion joint; a. an assembly designed to safely absorb expansion and contraction.
    b. generally placed at various intervals to allow for the expansion/contraction of the material.

    I can not seem to find contraction joints.

    Control joints; a. typically used in concrete masonry to reduce the occurrence of shrinkage-related cracking.

    Hope that helps.

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    Jerry, hear me out. Log homes being made of wood. They expand and contract.
    Wood is a hydroscopic material. It naturally takes on and gives off water to balance out with its surrounding environment. That would cause expansive and contraction qualities making the log home move up and down. So log homes expand and contract.
    Make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROBERT YOUNG View Post
    Great minds think alike.
    As I avoid yours.


    Not the best image but the question is clear enough.
    Mr. Truesdale answered the post. "I've never sold one like that."
    Well nor have I Dom, so I asked.

    Professionals avoid remarks such as your.
    Best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom D'Agostino View Post
    Then, as a professional, perhaps you can filter your own over the top pontifications once in a while.
    Don,
    It is a NACHI attribute that comes out at times. Something in the water I think.


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    Hello Robert. Yes, wood expands and contracts, but .... A log home is not going to expand upwards, not ever.
    Unless it starts to float, maybe.
    Good luck with all the flooding, eh? Hope things return to normal soon.

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    Morning John.
    I will disagree with you on movement.

    Shrinkage/Expansion = movement. Where wood is concerned, shrinkage is only measurable across the wood grain, not along its length.

    Tops of the walls must be secured by a connection that is free to move vertically; typically by the use of lag bolts driven through holes drilled in the top plates. Settling in this space is concealed by a slip trim attached to the underside of the upper floor.
    I agree there is settlement, but there is also expansion and free movement among vertically aligned structural components.

    While gravity, load, comprehensive forces, are at play, the material, be it wood or metal, expand and contract in all directions, but not at the same ratio as comparing lateral to vertical expansion.

    Please excuse my rough hypotheses.

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    You may disagree if you wish, but I know for a fact that logs in a house will not expand.
    The moisture content will never return to that of a green log.

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    Wood is typically kiln dry. Wood expands. It is for this reason that wooden floors need an expansion gap.
    High humidity in the wood causes it to expand.
    Low, or reducing humidity causes it to contract.

    Substances expand or get bigger when they are heated up. They contract or get smaller when they are cooled down. The energy transferred into materials, in this case via heat. the causes molecules to move faster. As the molecules moving faster they collide into each other more.
    In a solid this increases internal pressure. The
    molecules then push in an outward direction trying to reduce the pressure. Essentially this is what causes wood to expand when heated.

    Everything expands when heated enough.
    Some metals expand more than others due to differences in the forces between the atoms / molecules. Recall that all materials are made up of atoms. At any temperature above absolute zero (-273 degrees celsius) the atoms will be moving.

    Infrared radiation lies between the visible and microwave portions of the electromagnetic spectrum. ... Any object which has a temperature i.e. anything above absolute zero (-459.67 degrees Fahrenheit or -273.15 degrees Celsius or 0 degrees Kelvin), radiates in the infrared.



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    I thought we were discussing movement in a log home?

    JP's quote from the manufacturer: "Perm o seal expansion joints ensure for proper compression/settling in your plumbing pipes as the log walls settle."

    Jerry wonders why do they call it an expansion joint? Because they can't call it a
    compression joint, as it would be confused with a compression fitting.
    We could call it a 'slip joint' and move on.

    Lots of room below for a final comment. Cheers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kogel View Post
    JP's quote from the manufacturer: "Perm o seal expansion joints ensure for proper compression/settling in your plumbing pipes as the log walls settle."
    How about calling it a 'settlement joint'?

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